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    Default Lancashire Roman Catholic Reformatory for Girls, Old Swan

    Hi all

    Does anyone have any information or images of the Lancashire Reformatory School for Roman Catholic Girls at May Place, Broad Green Lane, Old Swan?

    There is information on the institution at

    Lancashire Reformatory School for Roman Catholic Girls, Old Swan, Liverpool

    Originally at Blackbrooke House, St. Helens, where it was certified 23rd June 1869, the school was run by the Sisters of Mercy and accepted its first girl that October. The reformatory moved to Old Swan and was re-certified 24th November 1876 for 70 girls and again, re-certified 3rd March 1902 for 75 girls. Closed 1922.

    Thanks in advance for any information anyone can provide!

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    Hi all

    Unless someone corrects me, this appears to be the place that served as the reformatory. It has now been renovated for use as sheltered housing:

    May Place, Old Swan (Owen Ellis architects web page)

    "The core of the scheme is a late 18th Century house that had been seriously neglected and almost lost under later additions. The original building was uncovered and restored to become the centre of a sheltered housing scheme providing 50 self contained flats around a sunny landscaped courtyard that can be enjoyed by everyone who lives at May Place."

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    Hope someone can help Chris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Hope someone can help Chris.

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    May Place as far as my wife can remember used to be called St.Vincent's Hospice prior to falling into disrepair and reopening under its original name of May Place as sheltered accommodation. When it was St.Vincent's Hospice it was run by nuns and was basically an asylum, or it seemed to be when her Nan was in there. Not sure when it was built, but it's on an 1851 map.


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    Hello Kev

    Thanks, Kev. There is some Jack the Ripper interest here. The fifth canonical victim victim was named Mary Jane Kelly. Obviously this is a very common Irish name. Nonetheless there was an MJK at the Old Swan facility. Whether she is the right Mary Jane Kelly is quite another question.

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    Hi Chris, I hope this old map helps:-



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    Hi anonymouse and JMLE

    Thank you both for that information and the two maps. I am putting together a short article on May Place and the girl named Kelly who was there that will hopefully appear in the November issue of Ripperologist shortly to appear. If you both care to email me through my Yahoo! address, I would be pleased to credit you for the help. I am especially interested in using the map you show, anonymouse, because it better shows the facility than the other map--mouse, what date is that map, if I might ask?

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    I searched for 'May Place' on the Library Archive site:
    Liverpool Record Office: Online Catalogue

    364:CAT Records of the Liverpool Catholic Reformatory Association...this link contains the following information:

    ...This was followed on 24 Nov. 1876 by the opening of the May Place Reformatory School for Girls, Old Swan

    The May Place Reformatory School for Girls was closed down on 31 Mar. 1922, when its Home Office certificate was withdrawn

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    Grade II Listed Building:

    Broad Green Road L13 St. Vincent?s Hospice.

    English Heritage have photos of all Listed Buildings so a search for Hospice reveals...
    Detailed Record

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    You're welcome Chris. If you would like a present day picture of May Place let me know and I'll drive down to take one.

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    According to the book, A Pictorial History of Old Swan and Tuebrook by Colin Gould....
    MAY PLACE

    May Place, in Broadgreen Road, was built in about 1760 by a gentleman who was reputedly as African slave trader and who later married as Indian princess.
    Leter residents were a Mr Papayanni ( a shipowner ), Mr Spence ( who allowed the local Methodists to hold their first meetings in his garden ), Mr Austin ( who apparently had 20 children ), Reverend Wilson ( Chaplain to Lord Derby ) and Mr Walker ( a wholesale grocer ).
    The house then became a Catholic Girls School and is now St. Vincents Hospice.

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    and a pic from the book. Mart


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    Hi Chris,

    Sorry, I omitted the credit on the map which is dated 1893. You can access it HERE -in the guff it says that content can be used for non-commercial use but I don't know how you stand otherwise.

    Hope this helps in some small way.

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    And this is it as of yesterday -




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