I'd like to hear what peoples views are of the Culture show...shown on BBC2 on Sunday about the opening events in Liverpool.
I have some comments of my own,
but would like to hear others first!
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I'd like to hear what peoples views are of the Culture show...shown on BBC2 on Sunday about the opening events in Liverpool.
I have some comments of my own,
but would like to hear others first!
I thought it was half decent. Culture Shows tend to concentrate on the unknowns and previosuly unseens so that girl author and the rapper from Toxteth got a good go on it. I liked the footage of Ringo, Wylie and the Farm.
Wasnt great to much time was spent on the two presenters, and as for that so called rapper ( hey der lar stole yer car drove it round sefton park and crashed it in der dark ) I bet his mates in Norris green and croxteth loved him
All in all, I thought it was quite good. Had it been about another city, I'd be tempted to make a trip there.
I thought it all looked very impressive until that Rapper appeared....:disgust:
That rapper - - - - how awful !! :eek:
that stuff about robbing and crashing your car --- WHY WHY WHY did they let him on ???
That's ALL we need !!
Not that I mind rap - but for starters, they could have at least chosen a talented rapper :rolleyes: .. and not one that reinforces the sterotypical thieving Scally :disgust:
The rest of the show was ok.
Rap/ hiphop is an american culture, the uk took on so much culture and other stuff from usa, how quickly society forgets, our young people see it as theirs. Still in the uk medias eyes, if u are a rapper or a uk hiphop artist you are onto a winner despite the questionable quality of some acts.
I like hiphop/ rap (mostly 80's/ early 90's stuff) but it isn't scouse. word :PDT11
I don't mind rap. But I like it done well.
.. and I don't want to hear that stuff about robbing cars in Liverpool - it's not appropriate for the occasion.
I saw him on Sky news and he was a total embarrassment. the only people who talk like dat kidda lalala lala rob yer car are beggars in town
Not talking about this Scouse kid particularly - 'cos he was just emphasising his Scalliness , but in general regarding rap music - I can't stand this thing lately white kids trying to be black :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
rap is best done properly by black artists.
I find it ok if its done well Lindy. I love black music such as r and B, hip hop, etc but when its not done well like this prat we are talking about it looks embarrassing.Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
Exactly !
You see this might only be one person's 'act' but we really do have to learn some self respect because we give our enemies so much ammunition by belittling ourselves.
Tom O Connor recently called on comics to stop putting Liverpool down but I have heard tom himself make disparaging jokes about his native city in the past.
Rap music was invented by people who can not sing or could not play an instrument. As for the so called rapper who was supposed to be representing the city God only knows. Only a Manc whould have given that clown a place on the bill knowing that everyone from outside would latch onto the 'Car robbing' theme. Once again we shoot ourselves in the foot.
This lad has a myspace page and some stuff on youtube, dont know if thats taking the piss about impending court appearances and screwing the dole but if it isnt someone may be made to look fairly stupid in future for booking him on. If he is a lad from a scally background though who is using a talent to do something useful with life rather than hanging round making others life a misery then good luck to him.Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...endid=11818409
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LgQL...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTAs2...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z2c0...eature=related
Thanks for the links Ste, but I couldn't stomach watching them.
To have that kind of representation of Liverpool when it's meant to be our finest hour ... :disgust:
I give up ! :disgust:
was he sighting poetry lolol did he say liverpool had the first chav,s i.e. (we where the first to wear trackies) well i had a shell suit once
Click here. :RAP:
The videos appear to be filmed around the Ingelnook pub (Ullet Rd.), Sefton Park (beneath the iron bridge), Aigburth Road subway.
One of the quotes below is incorrect:
1) Well he might claim we started the trackies and shell suits but I never had one.
2) Man Utd beat managerless Newcastle 6 nil last weekend, Jeeez, it was a bit hard on big Sam, even pregnant women get 9 months to deliver.
The Rapper ticked all the boxes for the BBC.
Not relevant to C of C, Liverpool or anything scouse, but the producers at the BBC would have said that he was representative of "culture".
Rapper, just put the correct letter in front of the R and that would best describe him
I don't know why they didn't have Liverpool presenters though instead of one from Manchester and one from Sunderland.
I'll tell you why, because as an outside watcher the whole thing seems to be a load of rubbish, when it's all over and your no better off and you get the bill in the rates or the taxes then you will understand why everyone else has been saying ' the emporoer has no clothes on, he's in the altogether" then you will realise why, the whole thing is a marketing ploy, and you bought it, and it has no MOT and no road tax. and thats my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
I agree with most points here...Who on earth allowed that bloody rapper on?...The one stereotype we've tried for decades to get rid of.
And as for the comment by the Mancunian presenter "Let's see if Liverpool is as cultured as Manchester"... words fail me.
I've noticed that any stereotype of scousers (ie that rapper) sticks to us like mud for years . But, why doesn't TV shows like "Shameless" do the same for Mancs?
Why was Manchester even mentioned at all on a programme about Liverpool Capital of Culture?
It only goes to prove that having most of the media based in Manachester is to Liverpools disadvantage.
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Originally Posted by shoney
I haven't bought anything, As a drummer, I got to see an inspiration to me when I was 14, the Beatles, Ringo Starr - for free ;)
We have to see the bigger picture, CoC will bring more money into the economy that it costs and as i've already said, a developer has offered to swallow the 20M shortfall to create a retail park in a grotspot but that by some just seems to have been brushed aside so we can't moan then but that's the other thread.
sawllows, and offers to swallow ? we've all been there.
More on the scouse rapper here..
http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0...name_page.html
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Granada reports has an agenda, if its bad news we get to hear things like "happened in Warrington near Liverpool"Quote:
Originally Posted by Klaatu
If its good news we hear " Happened in Warrington in Cheshire"
[QUOTE=Ged;105379]More on the scouse rapper here..
This just doesn't cut it with me...If he's a caricature of a scally...It's crap
He's a total non entity.
No problem with the presenters, both were at least knowledgable about the subject.
The rapper - Its not my thing; that said he was truly awful, cringe making. I thought it was a shame that the Bunnymen didn't get any airtime.
Riuven: I can’t believe people were shocked at my act. It’s a joke
Jan 22 2008
by Greg O'Keeffe, Liverpool Echo
Greg O’Keeffe talks to underground Scouse rap star Riuven about his rise from college fine art student to performing in front of thousands on a historic night for his home city
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HE IS the mysterious local rapper who went from internet phenomenon to performing at Liverpool’s Capital of Culture launch.
Eyebrows were raised when Riuven was chosen to rap on stage at the ECHO arena, alongside Mersey music legends like Ringo Starr and Echo And The Bunnymen.
But the self-proclaimed Toxteth ‘kidder’ knows his controversial performance – which sparked a barrage of complaints to Radio Merseyside and the ECHO’s letters page – has only fed the word-of-mouth buzz which has seen his website receive millions of hits.
The 24-year-old’s act is a colourful caricature of Liverpool scally culture – full of tongue-in-cheek references to our nightlife, gangs and sense of humour.
Riuven’s first song The L.I.V became a hit via his MySpace page and was quickly downloaded to thousands of mobile phones across the city.
The track rapidly achieved cult status and led to growing curiosity about the musician behind the song, which boasts of stealing cars ‘round Seffie Park’ and fighting with ‘goths’ outside well-known city centre club The Krazy House.
Now the budding hip hop star, who hit national headlines last year with a scathing rap about Lily Allen, is on the brink of releasing his debut album in March.
Riuven, real name Robert Morris, developed his chav-alter ego observing the bravado, attitude and antics of scallies from around Lodge Lane where he was raised.
But he honed the larger-than-life persona when he was sent to Childwall’s prestigious King David School by his parents.
“I was probably the scally of our school in the sense that not many lads from Toxteth went there,” he says.
“But I got into King David because I’m Jewish. I was lucky enough to get a great musical background and learn to play the drums to a high level.
“The scally persona is just something me and my mates have always found funny and joked about.
“We used to have parties, where we’d have a drink and listen to hip hop and there would always be a mic being passed around.
“One time I got on it and discovered that I had a bit of a flair for rapping and it went from there. Before that I'd been musical, but I’d drummed in indie bands and stuff like that rather than making beats.
“At the same time I was trying to decide whether to study fine art in college or just go totally for musical production. I tried to do both for a while but my tutors said I had to choose, so I went for the music.”
Soon, Riuven - in all his trackusit and baseball cap-wearing glory - was born (the name chosen from a deliberately misspelled version of the name Robert in Hebrew, Rihuven).
With the help of his mates, Morris recorded an early demo of his anthem to scally Liverpool The L.I.V and then left the rest to an unusual promoter ...
“My sister had a version of The LI.V. on her phone and she used to go to the Brookhouse pub on Smithdown Road quite a bit,” he says. “She would play it to her mates while they were in there and soon people were starting to ask her to send it to them. “Before long it was getting blue-toothed around the city. I’ve got her to thank for that.
“I think most people realise that Riuven is a joke. He is a caricature of an unemployed scally who smokes weed all day and goes to town fighting the goths and causing trouble. The idea was to have a laugh and not glorify things like that.
“It has an element of social commentary on a city where many teenagers pass the time joyriding, taking drugs and generally misbehaving.”
The satirical nature of his character was lost on the people who watched Morris perform The L.I.V at the televised 08 launch in the ECHO arena.
Radio Merseyside DJ Billy Butler received complaints for playing a Riuven track and listeners called phone-in shows to argue Riuven showed Liverpool in a bad light.
Sounding genuinely baffled, Morris says, “I was shocked that people didn’t see it was a joke, especially Scousers. People were reading far too much into it.
“If Riuven was serious, it’d be an outrage. But we’ve got to be able to laugh at people like that.
“There will come a point when I’ll move away from the spoof. I can’t see the Riuven character lasting indefinitely because I want to put more of myself into the music and make it more real.
“But I’m pleased people think it’s funny and it’s just about what Liverpool means to me. It’s my slant on the Capital of Culture.”
Morris was amazed when the character, which started out as a classroom joke, led him to performing at the 2008 launch.
He says: “Performing in front of that many people was boss. I’m proud of this city and playing a part in that night meant a lot.
“In the practice bit before the main show me and my mates ran on stage and started dancing with Ringo Starr. The night was unforgettable and it was the best I’ve ever rapped.”
Source: Liverpool Echo
Not shocked *Bored* is the word I would chose.
Transcript of Riuvens Radio Merseyside interview from the weekend here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/conte..._feature.shtml
lets face it he's a nice posh mossley hill jewish boy pretending to be a scally, hangin wid da homies ,let's ask him what his dad does for a living, doctor dentist crack dealer, take your pick. not a big fan of rap, but seen and heard much better on the liverpool scene...try Homegrown Music Kensington for real talent
He says he's from Lodge Lane/Toxteth but all the evudence from his youtube stuff points to Ullet Road/Aigburth - like you say just pretending to be a scally, I'm not really offending at all now to be honest knowing its a charicature no point denying idiots like he portrays exist. I agree with you Steve he's not that good a rapper either.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveFaragher