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Anyone know anything about this shelter? Or where it stood?
It was hit 3rd May 1941. Many died.
The Rocket air raid shelter was on a triangular piece of land between Oakvale Church and the Rocket flyover, close to The Gardener's Arms pub at the junction of Broadgreen Road/ Edge Lane Drive.
Any pics of the area then?
'The Green' housing estate containing flats were built on it in the 1950s, it is still there now, now long renovated as I got pics for my site.
I know The Green.
Trying to locate the spot the shelter stood on Ged? Doubt im gonna find it.
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They built these E Type shelters underground on open Ground. So anybody got an old map? we need to look for open ground on one?
I have found a story saying many of the victims had come out of a local dance hall.
Mart may have one Spike, i'll give him a nudge.
Mart knows somebody who has told him about this. Im sure he will tell us later.
Spike, go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ put in L13 5SF and select the Gardeners Arms. Select the 1951-52 map and you'll see triangular shaped land where it stood which has flats built on it today that face on to Edge Lane Drive and Queens Drive.
Spike, I presume that it's the recent Echo story that brought this to your attention. It's also mention here http://www.caringonthehomefront.org....thleen-thomas/ and states that it was May 1941 when the shelter received a direct hit.
In fact, nail that down as the 3rd May that it was bombed (Parkes, Evelyn and Parry, John) - http://www.liverpoolatwar.co.uk/p.html
Nice one for the map.
Ive been waiting till I had the time to do this Shelter. Mart put me onto it a while back. I have the names of those that died. Will have a page up later.
Cheers :PDT11
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I saw the Echo story the other day.
Spike,
I'm sure the one I heard of was nearer to the end of the M62, towards Thomas Lane ( could be wrong though ), near Hunters site.
There is apparently a tree standing over the site, I'm sure it was the Bowring park Road area !
I've emailed my source, I'll ring him later if you don't ! !
Mart
http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.c...t-shelter.html
I have given the Shelter its own page on the Website. Ive uploaded details of 29 people who died after the shelter was bombed.
Im going to go along for some photos when I can be sure of the location.
Any info or pics would be most welcome. The page will get more added to it in time.
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look at the families THOMASEN and YATES. So sad.
Brilliant Spike - so sad, particularly the ages of the kids. I had no idea about this direct hit.
Come out of the turnpike tavern and right in front of you, the central reservation.
We ( my source and I ) believe it was here but I think the council would be able to pinpoint it surely.
The small tree in the middle, we believe , is a marker, though we could be wrong.
It was close to Lucas Factory, an underground site.
We think it may have been mentioned on the Merseyside at War video, have to check that out.
Also may be mentioned on a Bowring Park video, worth a looksee.
Mart
Hi Mart
I dont think it was by the Turnpike. Maybe they had a shelter there? But I give these reasons.
If you look at the list of those that died on the webpage.
http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.c...t-shelter.html
Notice some of the addresses. Statton Road, Warnerville Road, Oak Vale. They are right by the Gardener's Arms pub and The Green. Two families with young children are listed. This was the heaviest night of bombing we recieved. They would have got to a close shelter. Walking the kids down to a shelter near to Broadgreen Station would be a risk, and why would so many from the area do it?
Then the story on the site from Hilda Dison has " There were many tragic bombings very close to us. Many young people died in a large underground public shelter on Queen's Drive near Broadgreen Road " Again by the Green.
The letter in the echo last week mentions the Shelter placed in the location of the Green.
Im looking for a map that shows when Thomas Drive came through the area.
I'm only repeating what my Source said.
They also said the flyover had to be rerouted past the green as they couldn't dig part of it up as it was an old Cholera Pit !
I can't see that it was rerouted Mart as it doesn't deviate off the course of where Queens Drive has always been. Source been on the sauce?
I know you are Mart.
Just going on what is said in the Echo and The Story.
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Cholera Pit.
Thats sounds interesting.
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How many houses where over by the old Lucas Factory? Maybe the Shelter there was for workers?
I think we need to see some maps of the area from 1940 - 45 really.
This would tell us exactly where it is.
My Source, "JMLE", is a well respected pillar of the community, not a Ged Fagan type you know.
Are there any pillars in the Wheatsheaf? I only thought there were planks! :rolleyes:
:PDT_Aliboronz_24:Quote:
Originally Posted by hmtmaj
Frankly i'm not H.P.
Ze source is Heinz , a German fella . Ans soon he vill Ketch up to you !!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
Dont say German on this thread :PDT_Xtremez_42:
He doesn't frequent the Wheaty, I do have lots of friends you know :PDT_Xtremez_12:
I want to know about the Cholera pit please , as well as the shelter .
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Originally Posted by hmtmaj
As far as the Ordnance Survey maps are concerned the earliest I've seen after the war are from the late 1940s.
They're in the LRO, and are detailed enough to show air-raid shelters.
Ask for the 50-inch series.
Are the maps available with the LRO being shut?
Trouble is that as this was an underground shelter its most likely it was closed over after the bombing. They tended to spread lime over the rubble and seal them up if people died there in case any bodies had been missed.
Surely somewhere in the LRO or Council would have maps of all Air Raid shelters !
I'll ask Harry ( he's not my source by the way ! )
Mart
City Council have passed my email onto someone who they say may be able to help.
Nice one :PDT11
Reply from LRO
I am afraid that I have been unable to trace a map showing the exact position of this shelter, presumably due to security during the war years. You might be able to locate the position on a post war map
Makes sense that it was not put on a map.
talking to an old lady yesterday who says there was a Shelter where THE GREEN is.
This is a clip from "Merseyside at War", Kitty Ellis, describes where the shelter was, opposite Broadgreen Hospital, which would ore than likelybe, The Green and mentions her friends, probably the list of names below, from Tony's site
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvDlgyVJN7k
ANNIE YATES
died 03/05/1941, aged 32.
of 7 Statton Road, Edge Lane Drive, Broad Green. Daughter of Timothy Edward and Sarah Jane Lucas; wife of James Henry Yates. Died at Rocket Shelter, Broad Green.
MABEL YATES
died 03/05/1941, aged 18 Months.
Aged 18 months; of 7 Statton Road, Edge Lane Drive, Broad Green. Daughter of James Henry and Annie Yates. Died at Rocket Shelter, Broad Green.
MARGERY YATES
died 03/05/1941, aged 8.
of 7 Statton Road, Edge Lane Drive, Broad Green. Daughter of James Henry and Annie Yates. Died at Rocket Shelter. Broad Green.
JAMES HENRY YATES
died 06/05/1941, aged 32.
Firewatcher; of 7 Statton Road, Edge Lane Drive, Broad Green. Husband of Annie Yates. Injured 3 May 1941, at Rocket Shelter, Broad Green; died at Broad Green Emergency Hospital.
JAMES HENRY YATES
died 14/11/1941, aged 11.
of 7 Stratton Road, Broad Green, Liverpool. Son of James Henry and Annie Yates. Injured 3 May 1941, at Rocket Shelter, Broad Green; died at Royal Infirmary.
http://liverpoolremembrance.weebly.c...t-shelter.html
Mart
These will probably be at Sandhills, but you have to book 24 hours in advance.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
Tel: 0151 233 5817
Fax: 0151 233 5824
Email: archives@liverpool.gov.uk
Brilliant Mart :handclap:
What a find. I agree the Yates family are the friends she is talking about.
This is superb. Do you think I could add this to the website?
WELL DONE AGAIN.
its from a copyright video "Merseyside At War", I suppose you could and if they ask you to take it off, then delete it.
I don't see any harm in it it promotes their Video / DVD.
Mart
Cheers for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
The LRO has looked and found nothing. They say I can come in and look at any map. I have an email for contact with then now.
As they say for security its doubtful that Shelters were put on maps.
I was talking to an old lady yesterday who says it was where the Green was. She says the path on the GREEn goes into a triangle and that is on or very near to where the shelter stood. It was the old continuation of THomas Drive it was on,with Edge Lane drive behind it.
I believe the Shelter Jimmy has mentioned would have been for workers at the factory.
Excellent Mart. Good one mate.:handclap:Quote:
Originally Posted by hmtmaj
The Green. Built and laid out in the 1950s after the air raid shelter was removed. This is the point where the paths merge.
http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/2...n50sflats5.jpg
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There has been mentions of a triangle, where the Shelter was.
IF, you go left from where the pic above is, on Google maps, there is still triangle of "green", maybe it was there ?
Anyway, Spike I have emailed you with the contact details of the gentleman who wrote the letter in the Echo, last year.
He will gladly speak with you, concerning this and anything else you would like to know.
He was about 10 at the time but remembers it well, he remembers how guilty his father was about directing a neighbour to this Shelter, just before the direct hit.
Mart
Brilliant Mart. This is great news. Norman is my new best friend :PDT11
Great detective work Mart :handclap:
Has this page on your site been updated ? :noid:
Where are all the posts?