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Does anyone know at which school this photo was taken? It was probably taken around 1906-1908 in Wavertree (or maybe Edge Hill/Low Hill areas). Written on the board held by the two boys at the front is the roman numeral II. Any help would be much appreciated. Many thanks
Tilly
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It looks like quite a distinctive uniform they are wearing with the high collars. They look like junior school age, and it was unusual for younger junior age children to wear school uniform in those days.
They all have neat and tidy hair and all seem to be wearing the same style boots.
I wonder could it be the Bluecoat school in Wavertree ?
Thanks lindylou - I hadn't even thought about the Bluecoat. I was thinking possibly Holy Trinity but you've given me another possibility. I'll see if I can find any photos of the Bluecoat from that time. You're right about them being young junior school boys. My Grandad is in the photo and may have been about 7 at the time. We know very little about his early life and I'd love to find out where this was taken. I'm hoping that maybe the family of another boy in the picture has the same photo. Thanks again Tilly
The brickwork does look like that of Holy Trinty, now called Wavertree C of E. I've some old photos of the school (I'll dig through them now.) I don't think the school wore uniform in those days though. Perhaps you could contact the Blue Coat, I'm sure they will have old photos themselves in their archieves. What a great photo. :)
This is not school uniform in the photo but clothes of the day/era,what you see here is which family have a little money to send their children to school with decent attire and you can tell quite clealy the poorer familys.
Collar and bow where the norm in the 1900's as was the sailor type outfits for boys and girls.
Thanks Liverbirdlou thats really good of you. I found a couple of photos of Holy Trinity on a Wavertree website but they're so small it's too hard to tell if the building is the same. It seems it's not the Bluecoat - the school windows are very different and apparantly the children there wore blue frock coats and yellow stockings right up to the 1940's !! (and I thought my school's brown and cream get up was bad :eek:)
Also thanks George for the info on styles of dress for boys at the time - the other Holy Trinity photos I mentioned do seem to have a few boys dressed in the same type of high buttoned jackets, high collars and bow ties
Ged has few schools in pictures....
http://www.inacityliving.piczo.com/?cr=7
Its the Sum Skools link.
Dont know the location of the school but had a go at cleaning up the picture !
Ooops Posted wrong one !
I picked a book up from my local Library today. It's called; Old Liverpool, by Eric Midwinter. Published in the early seventies.
I had a quick look through the picture plates and came across one picture of an old school
This school closely resembles the one in your photograph, especially the design of the window sills.
The blurb beside the pic reads...
Catsworth Primary School, one of Liverpool's first Board Schools.
I have read a little of the book concerning schools at that time [1870s] and will post a bit more info later.
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There is another picture of this school here along with a picture of some pupils that again looks very similar to your own.
http://liverpool-schools.co.uk/html/chatsworth.html
Similair Oudi,butnot quite,the pic presented by the OP has a 3 tier window casement...can'tsee any on any of the pics you have given.
The school might have been demolished? as so many 1800's ones are classed as unfit/fo schooling.
St Georges was a classic hard red brick structure and was built to last but as like many schools they decided to demolish it and put up a fabricated cardboard box inits place right on the main oad.
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The nearest representation of the brickwork and window casement is this one in Boalar Street...its an uncanny resembelance and take into consideration that the kids on the back are standing on platforms in the OP's pic.
http://liverpool-schools.co.uk/html/boaler_st.html
I'm not sure what you mean, Georgie, by '3 tier', but I think this (yet) a little by the by.
Given that 'my' school is directly on the street maybe the photograph was taken in the central quad which could have had slightly different window designs.
And then there is this, from the book...
By 1880 the Board controlled 21 schools, 10 of which were entirely or in part newly constructed.
They were; Queens Rd., Chatsworth St., Roscommon St., Ashfield St., Butler St., Beaufort St., Walton Lane, Upper Park St., Harrington and Clint Rd. [so some designs may be of a sort]
Mention is also made of the tussles between non-conformist, the C of E and Catholic groups as to how to go about teaching and who not to bother teaching, namely the 'Street Arabs'. In addition to the dry statistics that are to be seen there was too a popular magazine at the time called the Porcupine.
In 1877 a series of articles appeared, "Education past and present". Written by a Liverpool Shipwright, described by the editor as 'a bona-fide working man'.
These give a well thought through view of matters from a quarter seldom heard from and would be invaluable to any who sought to understand the birth of education in Liverpool. Perhaps someone knows of this weekly Porcupine?
Usually a bit of colour helps.
The brickwork around the window reveals are a different brick and colour than those of the main walls; and the junction between the two is keyed. The window sill freize runs continuously around the building and is likely to be terracotta. The lower wall is stone, and is probably local sandstone.
http://i861.photobucket.com/albums/a...choolToned.jpg
Dazza, your poor train set's gathering dust? ;)
Nuts. :)Quote:
Usually a bit of colour helps.
His trainset is on strike,Oudi
You guys leave my train set alone. :)
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THINK ive sorted that mystery out
Have a look at the teacher in the Boaler St photograph in GeorgiePorgies post and the teacher in the origional photograph and tell me there is not a resemblance!
Many thanks to everyone for your suggestions, cleaned up version (Bobed), photo links, art work (Dazza and Jackie) and wit :).
Boaler St does seem to be the closest match so far, though it doesn't have 3 bricks for the freize nor the lower stonework that Dazza pointed out - so it seems the search must go on.
I think the photo may have been taken slightly later than I first thought and could be around 1911 - if only they really had put the name of the school on the board like Chatsworth, Boaler St and of course St Joseph's :handclap:
Ah well I live in hope:sad:
It does have the frieze around the window the same as your pic,you have to enlarge the givenpic to see it.
In all fairness this identical in building,photo shot of the kids layout,Teacher and attire ect,ect.
What you have to dismiss is that a building might be different in some aspects of its architecture due to the nature of shortfalls in size,area and placement.
I'm not saying it is the school but I'd give you good odds it was.
p.s see the plant pot in the window of yours? well its in the bottom left corner of mine. :)
Compere these two!
Samp? I do believe a trip to specsavers is in order.
Having looked at both of the photographs of these women I do not believe they have any real resemblance, other then the fact that they have a similar hair style (Being up that is) and are wearing similar etire, which I'm pretty sure all teachers would of worn in that era.
Also I do believe that the school building from George and the OP do look similar however there are a number of differences which lead me to believe they are not the same building.
And by the way, the plant? Seriously? That is what you are using to solidify your argument?
I dont know if anyone else agrees with me or maybe its just me.
I hope you have some better luck with identifying the school and I shall see if I can find anything out for you :)
Thanks everyone for taking the time to help me try to identify the school in my photo.
Because of a number of similarities Boaler St is top of my list so far but the differences with my photo (e.g. B St windows are 4 panes wide with 2 x 2 panes opening together not 3 with just middle pane opening, has lower brick work not stone, freize only 1 brick deep not 3, school name written on chalkboard vs no name on mine etc) leave some doubt in my mind.
I know it's a probably a long shot but when I get the chance I'm going to go to the LRO to see what records they have for Boaler St. Maybe I can find out if my gdad was registered as a pupil there. Does anyone know if the LRO holds anything that would help me?
Tilly,
Where did your grandfather live, or the family live in the 1901 census; what street exactly? We may be able to narrow it down to a small number of schools from there? I'd do this before going the LRO.
Daz
Hi Daz,
he was being fostered in Pinnington Cottages in Wavertree at 10mths old in 1901. He's not still with the foster family in 1911 and family rumour has it that he may at some point have gone to live with his birth mother once she married in Edge Hill/Low Hill area but have been unable to find her marriage so don't have a name she might be under.
Thanks Tilly
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p.s. Pinnington Cottages was just off the High St nr Grange Terrace. Nearest school to that would have been Holy Trinity
Hi Tilly,
I'm assuming you've checked the 1911 census under both his foster family and Pinnington Cottages, but without result?
Here's a list of all the schools featured in the 1911 Gore's Directory for Liverpool. You may be able to identify the ones around Edge Hill/ Low Hill?
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Yeah - found his foster family living elsewhere but no signs of him at all in the census anywhere. Thanks so much for the list of schools - guess it's time I got the maps out :)
Where did this photo come from? usually in those days photograhs of school assemby classes had the photographers name and buisness stamped on the back,this was common right upto the 60's?
My Aunt gave it to me but sadly theres nothing on the back
For those quiet moments Tilly, when you have nothing to do...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....photographers/
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http://www.liverpool-schools.co.uk/
Think I'd rather look through a haystack,Oudi
TM your best bet is reasearching old school photos in the LRO because they have a wide extensive archive,the net might be big but it ain't that big when it comes to a certain age and locality
Ah, you are of the Veronica Lake school? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgePorgie
Hi Tilly, some other ideas:
1. Post your photo on Genes Reunited, someone may have a similar photo of the school and recognised it?
2. Go to the LRO [undergoing major renovation at the moment, but opening a satellite office soon] and go through the photo archive.
3. The records of Pinnington Cottages may have survived? They could well have your grandfather's records, and where he went to live afterwards?
4. Contact a local historian with a special interest in schools? The site George posted would be a good place to start. http://liverpool-schools.co.uk/index.html
I was especially interested in the pic of the Boaler St Infants 1911, because my dad lived in Mansell Rd ,born 1904 & went to Boaler St School , so he may have been one of those children depicted . Ron
Thanks for the extra ideas Gazza. As soon as I get the chance I'm going to plan a trip to the Records Office satellite.
Ron if you'd like to let me know your Dad's name, if I find any registers for Boaler Street when I'm at the records office I'll check if he was in Infants II in 1911 for you.
Regards
Tilly