Liverpool's Seven Hills?

Liverpool is supposed to be built on seven hills,probably more, but just need the main ones. Can anyone help???:gossip:

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Originally Posted by bobbymac

Liverpool is supposed to be built on seven hills,probably more, but just need the main ones. Can anyone help???:gossip:

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Mossely Hill, Woolton Hill..

Olive Mount
Everton Brow
Camp Hill

Brownlow Hill, Sleepers Hill, Mount Pleasant

Great going guys, TA. but which is 'Camp hill?

You've got:

1 - Woolton Ridge which gives you Childwall Valley
2 - Olive Mount
3 - Mossley Hill
4 - High Park
5 - Everton Valley
6 - Everton Brow which leads to Everton Valley

They seem to be the main ones.

Camp Hill is in Woolton - comes from the Saxon settlement there though there's no trace of it now - the place is excellent for sledging in the winter when we get some snow and you're a big kid!

A rare pic showing how steep Everton Brow is.
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/stmarys.jpg

Another unusual shot showing off the hill. The two cathedrals look they've been copied and pasted on to the pic but I can assure you they weren't:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24: :)

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/hill.jpg

Looking towards Everton Brow. Taken last week. St George's Church (The "Cast Iron Church"), Heyworth Street is visible in the far left, top of the pic.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/hill2.jpg

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Originally Posted by sweetpatooti

Brownlow Hill, Sleepers Hill, Mount Pleasant

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What about Walton On The Hill.

.... heading from Rice lane - city bound - under the flyover .. still going up hill onto County rd (Walton church to the left) .. down County rd towards Walton rd and Everton Valley.

Sometimes it's not realised that there is an incline there. The flyover hides the hill there.

It looks like Liverpool has more than 7 hills.
Isn't it the Seven Hills of Rome?

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Originally Posted by lindylou

What about Walton On The Hill.

.... heading from Rice lane - city bound - under the flyover .. still going up hill onto County rd (Walton church to the left) .. down County rd towards Walton rd and Everton Valley.

Sometimes it's not realised that there is an incline there. The flyover hides the hill there.

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Some of my piccies were taken from the tower of St Mary's, Walton-On-The-Hill:PDT_Piratz_26:

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Originally Posted by Jona76

You've got:

1 - Woolton Ridge which gives you Childwall Valley
2 - Olive Mount
3 - Mossley Hill
4 - High Park
5 - Everton Valley
6 - Everton Brow which leads to Everton Valley

They seem to be the main ones.

Camp Hill is in Woolton - comes from the Saxon settlement there though there's no trace of it now - the place is excellent for sledging in the winter when we get some snow and you're a big kid!

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Wonderful pics as usual Scouserdave!

Camp Hill dates back further than Saxon times to the Iron Age, and appears to have been a hill fort similar to others around the British Isles, although I don't believe this has been confirmed by archaeology. If it was such a fort, it thus would have been contemporary with the Helsby Hill Iron Age fort across the Mersey.

Chris

Edge Hill, Low Hill.

Bernard Hill.

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Originally Posted by Bunnyman

Bernard Hill.

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LOL! Mark!
Almost choked on my cup of tea reading this:celb (23):
BTW, what happened last week? Tried to ring ya. Maybe next time:PDT_Piratz_26:

Alright Dave. I PM'd you my new number. Didn't have any missed calls when I checked after footy. I'll send it to you again. Carefully this time... :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

This hilly city is a nightmare for bikes going up a hill.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

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Originally Posted by Max

This hilly city is a nightmare for bikes going up a hill.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

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You're a strong lad Max, its good exercise for you, killer on the knees though eh?!

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Originally Posted by Kev

You're a strong lad Max, its good exercise for you, killer on the knees though eh?!

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On the right knee and the calves yeah.

I get good exercise with over 300 kg leg presses and treadmill though.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

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Originally Posted by Max

This hilly city is a nightmare for bikes going up a hill.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

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I love cycling. Once done Islington to the Pier Head in 5 minutes. Don't recall the time on the return trip. All I remember is the ambulance lads administering me oxygen when I passed out and Sherpa Tenzing Norgay giving me the ****ing kiss of life. Tenzing had luvly lips, btw.

Earl Road is more evil than Islington to ride or like the ****e end of Smithdown Road.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

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Originally Posted by Max

Earl Road is more evil than Islington to ride or like the ****e end of Smithdown Road.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

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You reckon the drop down from Islington to the Pier Head is less steeper than from Earl Rd? No way pal! LOL! I love these cockfights whether I lose or not. Scousers Rule!:PDT_Piratz_26:

Yeah, it's steeper than Islington, I only ride through Islington though to get to the gym on Salisbury Road though.

One road by Everton Park Sports centre was the steepest Road I rode down and I forgot to fix my brakes and I was using my feet to stop the bike! Could of crashed into a car on the road!:eek:

I crashed into the steps by the Anglican Cathedral at night just outside it on that steep hill once too but luckily, my feet managed to slow it down enough to hit one of my bones so it was nothing.

Hurt my feet doing that and absorbing the impact.

Fixed my brakes now though, pain in the arse bike. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Bunnyman

Alright Dave. I PM'd you my new number. Didn't have any missed calls when I checked after footy. I'll send it to you again. Carefully this time... :PDT_Aliboronz_11:

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I'm not gay or anything like that, but you are good company mate!:PDT_Piratz_26:

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Originally Posted by scouserdave

I'm not gay or anything like that, but you are good company mate!:PDT_Piratz_26:

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I will not change the forum colour scheme either to pink, its staying blue.

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Originally Posted by Kev

I will not change the forum colour scheme either to pink, its staying blue.

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LOL!/Splatter! (cuppa tea)
Nice one Kev!:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Change it to Red.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:

Getting back to the actual hills again, nobody seems to have come up with a definitive or "official" list, just people kindly offering their own thoughts.
Starting with NineSisters list, I don't think we can just go by streets which have something hilly in their name.

1 - Woolton Ridge Camp Hill is in Woolton
2 - Olive Mount but is this the same Hill as Edge Hill and Old Swan.
which then continues to the top of Upper Parly.
3 - Mossley Hill - agreed, the church being on a definite summit,.
4 - High Park in the Dingle, plenty of slopoimng streets down there, but there is the point they all slope up to?
5 - Everton Brow which leads to Everton Valley, and then along Everton Ridge
6 - Mount Vernon which seems to be the peak of Mount pleasant which goes up again via Oxford Street.,

Breeze Hill leads up to where? Sleepers Hill, similar.

On a related point, Ken Pye in his excellent book definitely refers to the Seven Hills on which Liverpool is built. I would love to contact him and ask him about his sources, and indeed his list. Anyone got any contacts?

Surely, it's the Seven Hills of Rome, not Liverpool.
Liverpool has two ridges which are probably more noticeable than its hills.
The answer will be in a contour map of the area.

I think we have now found the answer, or at least as definitive as we are likely to get., i.e. from KEN PYE in what must be the best ever history of Liverpool, his £20 book, "Discover Liverpool" (If you haven't got it yet, GET IT! worth every penny , and more)

on page 124, he says; "Liverpool is built on seven major hills, and these are;
Walton Hill
Everton Ridge
High Park/Toxteth Ridge
Mossley Hill,
Allerton Hill
Olive Mount
Woolton Ridge.

So now you know.
As soon as you start checking these out you start to realise that most of the roads with Hill in the name are just sloping streets, and you have to keep going until you stop going UP.
Try Brownlow Hill and Mount Pleasant, clearly NOT two separate Hills, and even when they have joined by the University Clock Tower, the road towards Edge Lane goes rising past PAddington and Mount Vernon where it meets LOW Hill, and you still have to ask, is that the summit? From Edge Hill CHurch the roads mostly go down, but along Towerlands, etc south, things stay fairly level rather than going down, and do they in fact go down at all, making this area - including the "missing" Edge Hill - part of the rising land that tops out at Olive Mount.

Certainly contour maps are needed for the true answer, but Landranger Sheet 108 has got so much built-up area that there is hardly a contour line to be seen.

Anyway, there you have it; the Seven Hills of Liverpool. Sorted.

Hi,

This is taken from Underground Liverpool, by Jim Moore.

http://www.leverpoole.co.uk/misc/liverpolhills.jpg

Excellent info cheers :handclap::PDT11

usually between hills you get rivers, bar for the mersey and the river alt in huyton, i can't think of any others

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Originally Posted by Gerry Jones

I think we have now found the answer, or at least as definitive as we are likely to get., i.e. from KEN PYE in what must be the best ever history of Liverpool, his £20 book, "Discover Liverpool" (If you haven't got it yet, GET IT! worth every penny , and more)

on page 124, he says; "Liverpool is built on seven major hills, and these are;
Walton Hill
Everton Ridge
High Park/Toxteth Ridge
Mossley Hill,
Allerton Hill
Olive Mount
Woolton Ridge.

So now you know.
As soon as you start checking these out you start to realise that most of the roads with Hill in the name are just sloping streets, and you have to keep going until you stop going UP.
Try Brownlow Hill and Mount Pleasant, clearly NOT two separate Hills, and even when they have joined by the University Clock Tower, the road towards Edge Lane goes rising past PAddington and Mount Vernon where it meets LOW Hill, and you still have to ask, is that the summit? From Edge Hill CHurch the roads mostly go down, but along Towerlands, etc south, things stay fairly level rather than going down, and do they in fact go down at all, making this area - including the "missing" Edge Hill - part of the rising land that tops out at Olive Mount.

Certainly contour maps are needed for the true answer, but Landranger Sheet 108 has got so much built-up area that there is hardly a contour line to be seen.

Anyway, there you have it; the Seven Hills of Liverpool. Sorted.

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You forgot Rupert hill.

Err and Copperas hill

I think the question is related to names with hills in?

If so its

Copperas Hill

Brownlow Hill

Rupert Hill

Low Hill

Edge Hill

Sleepers Hill

Mossley Hill

Thank you so much, Tony S, (and Jim Moore)for that line drawing of the hills. That makes it all so muich clearer and has saved me some hours of work. Just add Walton (on the) Hill at the top and we are just about there.

I am currently scanning OS map 108 to see what I can make out in terms of contour lines, and I'll report back. Here are two which look promising, with a clear complete contour circling a summit. They fit in nicely with High Park on Jim Moore's picture, and the hill he does not name to the west of Woolton Ridge, which Ken Pye names as Allerton Hill, centred as it is on Allerton Golf course.

Jim's picture also gives us a good start to the waterways in the valleys for Shoney. Tue brook , Ditton Brook and of course the river that flowed down what became Church Street Lord Sreet to the Pool. The "River Jordan" as Ken Pye says the watercourse through Sefton Park lake is called , would be one of the streams running into the Mersey.

Sorry , H Asbo, but we ARE talking about actual summits, rather than roads which lead upwards ( or down). You're right that there are a lot more than seven "hill" named streets.

My two map sections should enlarge, and mayeb you could save as or something. I don't know how to put large images in the message.

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Originally Posted by Gerry Jones

I think we have now found the answer, or at least as definitive as we are likely to get., i.e. from KEN PYE in what must be the best ever history of Liverpool, his £20 book, "Discover Liverpool" (If you haven't got it yet, GET IT! worth every penny , and more)

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£13 on Amazon. :)

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Originally Posted by Gerry Jones

I think we have now found the answer, or at least as definitive as we are likely to get., i.e. from KEN PYE in what must be the best ever history of Liverpool, his £20 book, "Discover Liverpool" (If you haven't got it yet, GET IT! worth every penny , and more)

on page 124, he says; "Liverpool is built on seven major hills, and these are;
Walton Hill
Everton Ridge
High Park/Toxteth Ridge
Mossley Hill,
Allerton Hill
Olive Mount
Woolton Ridge.

So now you know.
As soon as you start checking these out you start to realise that most of the roads with Hill in the name are just sloping streets, and you have to keep going until you stop going UP.
Try Brownlow Hill and Mount Pleasant, clearly NOT two separate Hills, and even when they have joined by the University Clock Tower, the road towards Edge Lane goes rising past PAddington and Mount Vernon where it meets LOW Hill, and you still have to ask, is that the summit? From Edge Hill CHurch the roads mostly go down, but along Towerlands, etc south, things stay fairly level rather than going down, and do they in fact go down at all, making this area - including the "missing" Edge Hill - part of the rising land that tops out at Olive Mount.

Certainly contour maps are needed for the true answer, but Landranger Sheet 108 has got so much built-up area that there is hardly a contour line to be seen.

Anyway, there you have it; the Seven Hills of Liverpool. Sorted.

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Thanks Gerry found this information very interesting.

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Originally Posted by shoney

usually between hills you get rivers, bar for the mersey and the river alt in huyton, i can't think of any others

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Shoney is quite right; there must be rivers, there are only two named Rivers, but there are (or were) quite a few watercourses of one sort or another.
Luckily for Shoney - and the rest of us - there have been quite a few really good books come out recently, one of which is "Underground Liverpool". Drop a birthday hint for this one; it explains all about the tunnels, and the wells, and the sewers and watercourses of Liverpool. What about Sugar Brook, Fluker's Brook, Ditton Brook,... and the River Jordan?
In fact at present you can see the river Jordan; it is the watercourse which links the waters in Sefton Park before going underground to Otterspool. With the lower Lake drained, you can see a narrow meandering shallow stream wandering across the middle of the mud - this has just got to be the Jordan.
For everything else, Buy The Book! ("You deserve it")
Gerry

Tuebrook is another buried watercourse, and Mount Pleasant was, apparently,artificial, to some degree,at least! This was another job creational exercise by Joseph Williamson,so it wasn't just tunnels,etc, he built!(but dont ask me to explain what was there before:nod:)