Urban Fox Hunting

This shocking image shows an urban fox with a chain bolted through its leg - amid growing fears they are being used to bait fighting dogs.

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content...4/15389665.jpg Thugs have drilled a hole through the fox's leg - (pic - Fox Project charity)


Campaigners have released a picture of a cub discovered with a chain threaded through one of its hind legs.

A hole had been drilled through the animal's flesh after it was caught by poachers in south east London.

It is feared that fighting dogs are being let loose on the trapped animals either for "fun" or as practice for illegal fights.

The animal in the picture above - named Jingles by rescuers - managed to chew through the leather strapping on the chain and escape its captor.

Nets and snares have been discovered in wooded land in the Rotherhithe area of London, along with large zip-up laundry bags hidden in undergrowth.

And police are investigating reports of residents spotting gangs in the woods with iron bars and dogs.

The London cases follow reports in Livepool of gangs unleashing dogs on the city's streets to "tear up" urban foxes.

The remains of two decapitated foxes have been found there.

In London, a number of cats have also been discovered "ripped to pieces" in the Rotherhithe area.

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We should put the dog's owners down . I dunno why anyone would want to turn a dog violent animal

This is sickening. :PDT_Xtremez_42:I am all for country sports including fox hunting but this is no sport.
The people who do that kind of stuff/cruelty are usually "thick as two short planks" . They have no skill in hunting and probably don't have a clue how to hunt.
It's Knobheads like this that can give country sports a bad rap.

What an awful photo, so cruel and unnecessary to trap a poor fox! I hope they find the person/s responsible but I doubt it.

There is no solution to the problem of foxes in urban areas, we just have to ensure that those of us with outdoor animals such as rabbits are protected from the foxes natural reaction to attack and to provide for their own.

This isn't sport in any way shape or form. Those who participate in such barbaric actions should serve lengthy jail terms and banned from owning animals for a lifetime.

The only country sport (how can you call killing anything,a sport?) I'd like to partake in,would be knobhead hunting,where you chase appropriate people across the country,till exhausted,then ask them how much "fun" it's been!:disgust:

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Originally Posted by wsteve55

The only country sport (how can you call killing anything,a sport?)

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Someone who doesn't know conservation eh ?
Well not all country sports are about killing. There's just as much fun in watching prey escape, in fact a good chase is better than a quick catch.


Next you will say falconry is cruel:PDT_Xtremez_42:

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Originally Posted by ItsaZappathing

Someone who doesn't know conservation eh ?
Well not all country sports are about killing. There's just as much fun in watching prey escape, in fact a good chase is better than a quick catch.


Next you will say falconry is cruel:PDT_Xtremez_42:

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Of course,less so,just like any so called sport,were animals are used for enjoyment, sadistic pleasure,etc,etc! I think we do enough already,by eating them!

p.s. Conservation? never! Nature has it's own techniques! That's just an excuse used by "smug country folk" who love animals soooooo much,they have to kill them,in the most spectacular way! I only wish I owned a big enough piece of land,that the local hunt might ask to cross it,to which I would agree,then give them a few blasts of a 12 bore!!(one can only dream!)

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Originally Posted by wsteve55

The only country sport (how can you call killing anything,a sport?) I'd like to partake in,would be knobhead hunting,where you chase appropriate people across the country,till exhausted,then ask them how much "fun" it's been!:disgust:

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I would like to chase foxhunters over the sticks with dogs and see how they like it!

The so called landed gentry haven't got anything better to do, how about charity work!

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Originally Posted by Diane Louise

I would like to chase foxhunters over the sticks with dogs and see how they like it!

The so called landed gentry haven't got anything better to do, how about charity work!

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Certainly,but unfortunately,it isn't, just the landed gentry,who partake in these so called sports,look at the local braindeads, with thier pit bulls,etc!

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Originally Posted by wsteve55

Of course,less so,just like any so called sport,were animals are used for enjoyment, sadistic pleasure,etc,etc! I think we do enough already,by eating them!

p.s. Conservation? never! Nature has it's own techniques!

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You obviously haven't a clue.!!

How is it if nature has it's own techniques that we are over run with Foxes,Magpies and Squirrels to name a few. ?
Conservation is the answer

It's the same old story,town folk knowing nothing about country life.:PDT_Xtremez_42:

You are right Zappa,conservation is the answer but as in culling not as a 'sport'.
wsteve55,do you include the Grand National and other steeple chases ?

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Of course,less so,just like any so called sport,were animals are used for enjoyment, sadistic pleasure,etc,etc! I think we do enough already,by eating them!

p.s. Conservation? never! Nature has it's own techniques! That's just an excuse used by "smug country folk" who love animals soooooo much,they have to kill them,in the most spectacular way! I only wish I owned a big enough piece of land,that the local hunt might ask to cross it,to which I would agree,then give them a few blasts of a 12 bore!!(one can only dream!)

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I agree.

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Originally Posted by GNASHER

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do you include the Grand National and other steeple chases ?

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The Grand National is a cruel race and always has been.

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Originally Posted by lindylou

The Grand National is a cruel race and always has been.

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naaaa, it's not

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Originally Posted by lindylou

The Grand National is a cruel race and always has been.

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I used to think that to be honest (when I was about 12 years old) but it isn't. :PDT_Piratz_26:

All Horse racing is cruel to be honest but humans always abuse animals for no reason and always will.
I'd never bet on the Grand National now i'm older and know how brutal it is. It's a blood sport:unibrow:

Why is it cruel ?

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I used to think that to be honest (when I was about 12 years old) but it isn't. :PDT_Piratz_26:

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Nothing to do with age. My grandmother maintained this view until the day she died. She was very much against it and would always remark about it every year when it came around.
She was also very anti-blood sports and had the same view as previous poster Diane Louise. Me too. I would love to trap blood sport participants in a large field with a couple of lions or large slavering Rotties :PDT_Piratz_26:


My grandmother was a vegetarian too.

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Originally Posted by AngelCake

All Horse racing is cruel to be honest but humans always abuse animals for no reason and always will.
I'd never bet on the Grand National now i'm older and know how brutal it is. It's a blood sport:unibrow:

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I don't bet on horses either.

I was a vegetarian for about 10 years and I don't bet on horses.!!
I am not a cruel person but I do believe country sports belongs in the country and not with interfearing town people who don't have a clue.:PDT10

I have no problems with country folk chasing round on horses after a fox which has a sporting chance of getting away - however, the thought of urban yobs baiting foxes and chasing them with dogs sickens me.

Some might wonder why the difference in attitude to the two groups

Organised rural foxhunting as been part of the rural scene for many years combining some sport with controil of a pest which harms landowners interests and I have always considered the ban on organised hunting an attack on rural intrests by "townies". Yes I am a townie - but I value the countryside and the rural way of life.

However, urban yobs are only into it for pure sadism in my oppinion.

If its not urban foxes they are hunting it will be some poor cat or small non aggressive dog.

Well said Irishseashipping Co. Nice one. Exactly.:handclap::handclap::handclap:

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Originally Posted by irishseashipping.com

I have no problems with country folk chasing round on horses after a fox which has a sporting chance of getting away - however, the thought of urban yobs baiting foxes and chasing them with dogs sickens me.

Some might wonder why the difference in attitude to the two groups

Organised rural foxhunting as been part of the rural scene for many years combining some sport with controil of a pest which harms landowners interests and I have always considered the ban on organised hunting an attack on rural intrests by "townies". Yes I am a townie - but I value the countryside and the rural way of life.

However, urban yobs are only into it for pure sadism in my oppinion.

If its not urban foxes they are hunting it will be some poor cat or small non aggressive dog.

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If a fox is killing your animals then it should be treated as vermin but I don't understand how there is a difference bewteen dressing up in silly outfits and killing foxes when compared to "urban fox hunts"- both are cruel and done for pleasure.

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Originally Posted by ItsaZappathing

I was a vegetarian for about 10 years and I don't bet on horses.!!
I am not a cruel person but I do believe country sports belongs in the country and not with interfearing town people who don't have a clue.:PDT10

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I take your point Zap but I do think there is a difference between culling and enjoying the death of a fox being torn to pieces by dogs.

Also I bet every year on the Grand National and enjoy watching the race but like every sport known to man, there will always be injuries and fatalities.

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Originally Posted by GNASHER

You are right Zappa,conservation is the answer but as in culling not as a 'sport'.
wsteve55,do you include the Grand National and other steeple chases ?

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Surely do!

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Originally Posted by ItsaZappathing

You obviously haven't a clue.!!

How is it if nature has it's own techniques that we are over run with Foxes,Magpies and Squirrels to name a few. ?
Conservation is the answer

It's the same old story,town folk knowing nothing about country life.:PDT_Xtremez_42:

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Ha,Ha,Ha,who's havin' a laugh now,like living in Norris Green gives you any creedence!!!! Nature culls it's own,it's mankind who upset the balance,and takes every possible advantage of the situation,before,during,and after!
Grey squirrels were imported from North America,by us,foxes natural habitat has been decimated,hence the migration to cities,to become junk food addicts,as for magpies,the massive growth in they're numbers,is,due, to the lack of traditional culling by gamekeepers,( The country folk who know best?)as they are obviously occupied with other things,these days! And dont forget,these so-called country folk, dont want the likes of you,or me,anywhere near them,as recent moves to block hard fought access to various country sites,have been made! All I know,is,that this is my country,and that means all of it,not just the bits "they" might see fit to let me visit!

p.s. I wonder where ye olde worlde country folk got thier land,anyway!?

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Originally Posted by ItsaZappathing

I was a vegetarian for about 10 years and I don't bet on horses.!!
I am not a cruel person but I do believe country sports belongs in the country and not with interfearing town people who don't have a clue.:PDT10

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It's a wonder I was never vegetarian as my grandmother was and my mother still is, both eat no meat or fish. My mum did have to cook meat for my dad though :) (so I would eat it too).

I could live without meat but I have to admit that I do like fish.

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Originally Posted by wsteve55

Nature culls it's own,it's mankind who upset the balance,and takes every possible advantage of the situation,before,during,and after!
Grey squirrels were imported from North America,by us,foxes natural habitat has been decimated,hence the migration to cities,to become junk food addicts,as for magpies,the massive growth in they're numbers,is,due, to the lack of traditional culling by gamekeepers,( The country folk who know best?)as they are obviously occupied with other things,these days! And dont forget,these so-called country folk, dont want the likes of you,or me,anywhere near them,as recent moves to block hard fought access to various country sites,have been made! All I know,is,that this is my country,and that means all of it,not just the bits "they" might see fit to let me visit!

p.s. I wonder where ye olde worlde country folk got thier land,anyway!?

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well said :)



.. and to add another slant ... country mansions and stately homes on view to the paying public - - my dad would refuse to pay to go in such places. He would say the gentry ripped off the poor for centuries and the poor people paid enough already by working for buttons - - as he says, ''why should the working man pay again to walk around their bloody houses !!'' :PDT_Xtremez_42:

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I was a vegetarian for about 10 years and I don't bet on horses.!!
I am not a cruel person but I do believe country sports belongs in the country and not with interfearing town people who don't have a clue.:PDT10

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That's garbage. Actually it has NOTHING to do with the country. Foxhunting should be confined to the scrapheap of barbaric history along with badger baiting, the slave trade and having kids working in workhouses.
Dickhead Harry Enfield tried to make the ridiculous assumption that it is a 'town v country thing'. He is an idiot who is completely out of touch with reality. It has nothing to do with 'class'. Take dog fighting for example; most who do it are 'townies'...:disgust:
It has nothing to do with pest control. Like a friend of mine said, he has never ever seen a photo of livestock killed by a fox. People should really get educated on this...

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I take your point Zap but I do think there is a difference between culling and enjoying the death of a fox being torn to pieces by dogs.

Also I bet every year on the Grand National and enjoy watching the race but like every sport known to man, there will always be injuries and fatalities.

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Unfortunately, it is always the horses that are the fatalities...30 deaths at the National since 1998 - average three a year. I never bet on it.

Racing is all about money. You only have to look at the plight of the greyhounds which are cast aside when their best days are over. Same with horses. There may be a few that are well cared for until their last - but there are so many more which are not. :PDT_Xtremez_12:

People care about money and profits and gamblers how much they will win.


I am against people breeding dogs (or any domestic animal) for profit and not being genuinely interested in the breed. Far too many breeding puppies to literally 'make a few bob' - half of them know nothing of the breed and want only to use their animals as a money making machine. I've heard it too often - over the years when I was out walking my Staffies, I've lost count of the times I was approached by some numpty - ''wanna' mate yer dog with mine?''
' d'ya breed yer dog'' '' as yer dog had pups?'' .... I've heard people saying they're short of a few bob so they'll mate their dogs for a litter to make money :PDT_Xtremez_12: :PDT_Xtremez_12:


... sorry ! I got on a rant there :PDT_Xtremez_42: .. but I've seen too many animal rescue centres. :disgust:

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Originally Posted by wsteve55

Ha,Ha,Ha,who's havin' a laugh now,like living in Norris Green gives you any creedence!!!!
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What has Norris Green got to do with it ? You have just proven my point....
Talking about something you know nothing about....AGAIN!

I shall be out this week hunting rabbits,squirrels and magpies.:PDT10I will enjoy it. If nothing is caught it will still be just as much fun.:PDT11

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Unfortunately, it is always the horses that are the fatalities...30 deaths at the National since 1998 - average three a year. I never bet on it.

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That's the way it is. I don't bet on the National but I don't complain.
Anyone ever thought of how much livelihood would be lost if it wasn't for our country sports ? No, I didn't think so.

I have met people like yourselves who are against hunting of any kind. The fact...they usually know sod all about country living,hunting and country sports. Fact!!!

I will not be posting anymore in this thread as there's too many namby pamby,tree huggin' don't have a clue posters here...in other words, you're talking out yer bum!!!:PDT10

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. People should really get educated on this...

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That's right...including YOU!!!

(Sorry, I couldn't resist,this is my last post here):)

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That's the way it is. I don't bet on the National but I don't complain.
Anyone ever thought of how much livelihood would be lost if it wasn't for our country sports ? No, I didn't think so.

I have met people like yourselves who are against hunting of any kind. The fact...they usually know sod all about country living,hunting and country sports. Fact!!!

I will not be posting anymore in this thread as there's too many namby pamby,tree huggin' don't have a clue posters here...in other words, you're talking out yer bum!!!:PDT10

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It's the only language you understand :rolleyes:

Regarding the National - that is WHY it exists - because not enough complain.
So, you could say the same about the slave trade then couldn't you? How much 'livelihood' was lost through that? Get in the 21st Century...:disgust:
You're the kind who would still have kids working up chimneys and women doing nothing but kitchenwork...

Actually, you know NOTHING of my intelligence. I actually DO know a bit about the countryside and have friends who do as well. As for 'sports' - try getting into a 'proper' sport.

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That's right...including YOU!

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Oh I am educated. If it means being un-educated to loathe putting a defenceless animal through unnecessary suffering, then I can live with being un-educated:rolleyes:

It says a lot about people who like to inflict suffering on something defenceless :disgust:

There's a big difference between slaves and the use of animals in sport.

Don't get me wrong, looking at that pic of the fox makes me think, shoot the b*stards that have done it and I also think any 'sport' were the result is to tear apart an animal is just beyond a joke.

But when u look at horse racing (not that I bet on any racing other than the national) then these horses make the owners money, so they've obviously gonna treat them really well. If the few unfortunate deaths make u want to ban horse racing then, stop eating any sort of meat, as they're bred for only that purpose. Also, who here would love to retire to a career of just staying at home and being allowed to sh*g any nice filly or stallion that's brought to u???

Let's just stop producing any sort of animal that is anything other than a pet, and let's see how many species will become extinct

Now can we get back to the disgraceful treatment of that fox, rather than horse racing ?

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Originally Posted by scouse smurf

There's a big difference between slaves and the use of animals in sport.

Don't get me wrong, looking at that pic of the fox makes me think, shoot the b*stards that have done it and I also think any 'sport' were the result is to tear apart an animal is just beyond a joke.

But when u look at horse racing (not that I bet on any racing other than the national) then these horses make the owners money, so they've obviously gonna treat them really well. If the few unfortunate deaths make u want to ban horse racing then, stop eating any sort of meat, as they're bred for only that purpose. Also, who here would love to retire to a career of just staying at home and being allowed to sh*g any nice filly or stallion that's brought to u???

Let's just stop producing any sort of animal that is anything other than a pet, and let's see how many species will become extinct

Now can we get back to the disgraceful treatment of that fox, rather than horse racing ?

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Actually Scouse, the horses are treated absolutely abysmally to keep them in line for the sport of horse racing - you just don't get to see it. Btw I actually don't eat ANY sort of meat :PDT11

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Actually Scouse, the horses are treaed absolutely abysmally to keep them in line for the sport of horse racing - you just don't get to see it. Btw I actually don't eat ANY sort of meat :PDT11

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Well, u're argument is just then :)

I'm sure our food stock animal are treated as badly if not worse that horses... But I've got that attitude that if I don't see it, then I don't really care plus if it's gonna be eaten then what's the point in giving it a room at the Carlton if I'm gonna have to pay more for it in the end