Is it true that liverpool had a zoo? apparently its the sainsburys site by walton hospital.
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Is it true that liverpool had a zoo? apparently its the sainsburys site by walton hospital.
i'll have a look - howie probly knowsQuote:
Originally Posted by miss st helens
See www.ljmu.ac.uk/bie/fossilmammal/zoohistory.htm
I'll ask Prof Alan Turner about the Sainsbury's site by Walton Hospital and let you know.Quote:
Zoological gardens and menageries flourished in the Victorian and Edwardian eras. Liverpool itself had several, in Kensington, Mossley Hill, Earle Street (which later moved to Otterspool) and Lime Street. Another little known zoo was established at Lever Park, Rivington, by Lord Lever in 1908. It was principally for the health and education of the people of Bolton and housed animals in large paddocks. Kangaroos, zebras and lions are recorded as being present, but the only surviving remnant of the former inhabitants is a stuffed flamingo in Bolton Museum. Although it closed in 1925, the site plan is unknown - only a few fence posts indicate where some of the paddock fences ran, and a few rough patches of ground may indicate the site of the animal enclosures. Essentially, although less than 80 years have passed since it closed it has become an archaeological rather than an historical investigation.
Told ya - he's the man and we are not worthyQuote:
Originally Posted by Howie
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/archives.../worthy300.jpg
I just happen to work as an administrator in the School of Biological and Earth Sciences at Liverpool John Moores University. ;)
ah the main man, its just i bought a house on that ground and apparently there is a culvert so i wanted to check upon it and when i asked someone they mentioned the old zoo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Howie
I love looking at old pictures of liverpool cos you can see how they have changed and some have stayed the same, church street is one of my favourites, in macro they have photos mounted on the wall in the restaraunt area. they fascinate me!:)
See the photographs of Liverpool from The Black & White Picture Place.Quote:
Originally Posted by miss st helens
Hi Miss St H,
Could this be what your'e thinking of?
RICE LANE CITY FARM
Comprising 224 acres of countryside, 11 of which are managed woodland.
A variety of rare breed farm animals are kept, including farm breeds of pigs, red poll cattle, Ryeland award-winning sheep as well as various goats, ponies and poultry.
Admission is free although donations are welcome. The farm also offers guided walks and talks, which must be booked in advance.
This historic site is also the resting place of Robert Tressel, author of 'The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist', Edgar Allen Poe's illustrator James Carling and a number of pirates!
Rice Lane City Farm
No. 2 Lodge, Walton Park Cemetery
Walton, Liverpool
Merseyside
L9 1AW
Tel: 0151 530 1066
Or alternatively, there used to be a kid's 'zoo' at the Walton Hall Avenue end of the estate (when it was a park). But again that had sheep, goats and the like. That was around fifty years ago!
During last years funding cuts protesters from various organisations (including a sheep from Rice Lane City Farm) marched thru' Liverpool from the horse statue in Church St. to a lobby outside the town hall.
http://web.onetel.net.uk/~howardpate...stingsheep.jpg
Rice Lane City Farm volunteers bring a sheep
to their protest at Liverpool town hall - 2nd March 2005
Why can;t the biological sciences make a potion that can make me as big as a silver back gorilla then?
Are they that good?:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:
Anyway only zoo I've been too was chester zoo and last time I went there was a lack of certain animals like Tigers and bears. Can understand though as alot are endangered and it feels wrong to keep them caged.
Knowsley Safari park had a load of Tigers though last time I went and they were the only ones who had fences so they couldn't approach the cars!
Max likes the cat species and the cat species like me too.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Too bad I can't make them be my minions.
There's tigers and bears at Chester Zoo. They were obviously hiding from you Max.
Didn't see the bears but there was only like one Tiger.
Some nut climbed over one of the Tiger fences, taunting the Tiger and the Tiger was running up to him too! Lucky for him theirs two fences to keep Tigers from actually being able to even touch you. Even if you want to taunt them.:rolleyes:
Could imagine the gruesomeness if the Tiger could of caught him though.
Once went we went I was very young too remember but my mum was telling me how one of the Gorillas was making growling noises at my dad for reasons we don't know. :lol:
Can;t find bears on their list of animals though.
Yeh, I was last there just before Xmas (bloody freezin' it was too). I only remember seein' one tiger but there was those spectacled bears (the ones with the whitish faces and black eyes). I like the bat house - if you stand still in the tunnel and make like a tree the bats land on your arms.
I was worried that one of the bats might fly on me.
It was just that it was dark and I wouldn't be able to see it.
It is dark in there but the bats know exactly where you are using their 'echo location' so whilst they fly within inches of you (sometimes you feel the flapping of their wings as they pass so close) they won't accidently fly into you. As I said they will land on you if you stand perfectly still for a while with your arms outstretched.
Dunno Max - I'm not a scientist. My qualifications are in Sociology and Public Administration.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
no i know rice lane farm, this is directly ooposite walton hospital and had bigger animals, lions and tigers and bears oh my!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Scousemouse
There was a zoo in Kensington on Butler Street.
Butler Street school (now New Park) was built on that site in Victorian times.
A relative of mine remembers when the gorilla escaped and had to be shot :sad:
Stumbled across this strange picture and caption in the depths of the BBC's website:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl...yton/img/6.jpg
This motorist found himself in trouble in his Hillman Minx. Help was at hand when Monica, the elephant at Liverpool Zoo, was drafted in to help.
Response from Dr Hannah O'Regan at LJMU:Quote:
Originally Posted by miss st helens
Hi Howie,
I don't know of one, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there! The ones I know about were all in Wavertree/Kensington, the city centre and Aigburth way, nothing in the north. But who told you? and do they have any more info? like when it was meant to be there? Most of the info I have is up to the 1930s. I haven't done as much research into the Liverpool zoos as I'd like (in fact very little so far), but I haven't come across any mentions of a Walton zoo (yet).
Hope that's of help, and any more info would be interesting!
Hannah.
they are brilliant, i love the inside of the old sailors home, pure class, i always wanted to go in st georges hall and see the dungeons n stuff underground! they dont allow it now do they!Quote:
Originally Posted by Howie
hope someone wasnt pulling my chain now, but i was told probably victorian, will double check my source!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Howie
I heard that there was a zoological gardens in Liverpool in Victorian times. It was up by Gregson's Well - I think it was on those gardens opposite it (can't remember the name) that you could walk through to get to Mill Road Hospital - at the end of West Derby Road, opposite the old Register Office, by the Grafton - you know where I mean. Never heard of one in Walton though.
there are still the gates for Liverpool Zoo next to the Plough pub Rice Lane,I think its a florest now
Mandy
Pics of those would be great! :PDT_Piratz_26:Quote:
Originally Posted by robbo176
yep thats it, between the sainsburys and the princess garden restaraunt, my boyfriend said it goes way back further than victorian, maybe even sixteen hundreds, not sure myself if it is that far back though! interestin to research though eh! cant get picks that far back though eh! maybe sketches?Quote:
Originally Posted by kev
I think that was Henglers circus there used to be a pub by the same name on Everton RdQuote:
Originally Posted by sweetpatooti
the Gardens used to be the Necropolis Cemetery
Mandy
Heres a couple of picsQuote:
Originally Posted by kev
http://usera.imagecave.com/robbo176/...olzoo-copy.jpg
http://usera.imagecave.com/robbo176/...olzoo2.BMP.JPG
Mandy
wow! thanks so much :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16: the little animals in the stone work....
Mmmmmm, all day breakfast.
typical man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
hi everyone im back again, house move killed my comp for a bit but hello again! x
Quote:
Originally Posted by miss st helens
I am never the typical man.:Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:
Hi,I'm pretty sure that 'Cruddy' sign on the Photograph hides....'Zoological Gardens'...I lived in Rice Lane when I was a Kid...Cinema was there too!!
I recall something about a "Liverpool Zoo", although I am not sure which publication it was in, but it was on Rice Lane, Walton, where Dunlops was later built which could place it behind the chinese resturant and not too far from Sainsbury.
A brief mention of the zoo at Otterspool (Aigburth) can be found on the following local history page.
http://www.btinternet.com/~m.royden/...ool/otters.htm
John
Hi John and thanks for the link :PDT_Piratz_26:Quote:
Originally Posted by irishseashipping.com
There was aQuote:
Originally Posted by matt
zoo in Elmswood Road Mossley Hill in the 1930s.
They had a chimpanzee called Mickey.
Mickey escaped many times.
On 23rd March 1938 he escaped for
the last time.
He attacked a child and was shot.
He was the most popular attraction at the zoo and within a year the zoo closed.
http://www.yoliverpool.com/photoplog...logical-Pa.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Tony Mo
Thanks for sharing your pic in the
gallery, fascinating and welcome to the forum Tony :celb (23)::)
I got the date of Mickey's end wrong. He escaped on 24th March 1938. It was in the Liverpool Echo that night and in the Daily PostQuote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Mo;21579
the following day. From the Post:
Mickey's Last Escape
Armed Men Hunt For Chimpanzee
Killed After Roof-top Chase
Mickey, beloved
chimpanzee friend of hundreds of Liverpool children, escaped from his quarters at Liverpool Zoological Park, yesterday morning for the fourth and last time.
Hunted down by a posse of armed and unarmed men after he had injured six people, he was wounded several times. Thirteen shots had been fired, before, wounded
and at bay, he was eventually killed in a corner of a backyard where he had fallen from the roof of a house.
Three adults, and three scholars at the
Sudley Road School, Aigburth, were among those injured as a result of Mickey's escape. They were Mr. J. Wardle, manager of the zoo, lacerated forearm and
thigh; Mrs. Wardle, his wiffe, claw wound on neck and sprained ankle; Mr. A. R. Gall, aged 24 of Cooper Avenue North, lacerated neck and thigh; Noel
Davenport, aged 10, of 4 Michael Road, Aigburth, bitten on arm and leg. One other boy and a little girl at the Sudley Road School, who received superficial
scratches in the rush for safety, did not necessitate hospital teatment. The little boy Davenport is in Smithdown Road Hospital, where his condition is
stated to be not serious. Mr. Wardle and Mr. Gall are in bed at their homes, but Mrs. Wardle was able to go about as usual.
Broken Bar Of
Cage
Mickey escaped by breaking an iron bar of his cage which was an inch thick. Mr H. Rogers proprietor of the park, said "Mickey signalised his
escape by smashing in a door into the house. He went into a room where my daughter-in-law, Mrs. Wardle was. She is one of the few who can generally make him
do what he wants. He meant business this time, and pushed her over."
Mrs. Wardle had followed Mickey out of the house in an endeavour to prevent him from
straying from the grounds, and she was pushed on to the lawn, sustaining a sprained ankle and a cut on the neck. Mr. Wardle, armed with a Service rifle,
followed the chimpanzee. A number of keepers, also armed with guns, revolvers and ammunition, followed him.
A shot was taken at Mickey before he had got
out of the park, but, though wounded, he made his way to Sudley Road Council School, where boys were in the playground doing exercises under the supervision
of Mr. A. R. Gall.
School Teacher's Story
"Hearing a yell, I turned round to see Mickey making for one of the boys," Mr. Gall told the Daily
Post. "I ran towards them, with the idea of shielding the boy. At the same time I shouted to all the boys to go inside. In the meantime the ape had seized
one boy by the ankle. I had more sense than to try to wrestle with him. I had had a little 'do' with him during one of his previous escapes, and I knew his
strength. Last time he did not go for me, and I did not think he would this time, but he attacked me as soon as he saw me coming.
I know very little of
what followed. I must have been just picked up and thrown about, to judge from the scratches on my shoes and my torn clothes. I lost consciousness, and when
I came to a little later I was lying on the asphalt and heard someone shouting to me to run indoors. The chimpanzee was still only a few yards away from me,
but I managed to get indoors safely."
Mickey had by this time made his way to Lugard Road, adjoining the school, and climbed on to a
roof.
http://www.yoliverpool.com/photoplog...o_s-Mickey.jpg
Neighbourhood Alarmed
As soon as Mickey
appeared on the roof tops, for the moment out of harm's way, knots of people rushed to the school to make anxious enquiries. Meanwhile, Mickey, showing
amazing dexterity in spite of his wound, ambled along the roof tops to a convenient chimney at 29 Lugard Road. There he paused to look at the pursuers, led
by Mr. Wardle limping badly and with a bleeding hand, who were stalking him along the back entry. It was thought he might decide suddenly to descend, but
Mickey appeared content to remain where he was.
It was decided that the best course was to disable the "runaway" before attempting a recapture on the
roof, and one of the zoo attendants, armed with a six-chambered revolver, fired a shot. Mickey was "winged." He uttered a brief yelp of pain and took cover
behind the chimney. Policemen poured into the alley, some of them armed, and after a hurried conference it was agreed to kill the chimpanzee in order to
prevent further injury.
The Final Scenes
The revolver rang out again, twice. But Mickey was still active. He lunged at all and sundry who
attempted to enter through the half-open back door, and twice made as if to leap the wall. Finally, after the use of a shotgun had been declined, Major C. J.
Bailey, of the 38th (Anti-Aircraft) Battalion, who had arrived from Aigburth with a Service rifle, was asked to administer the coup de grace. He took aim
from a neighbouring garden, and after two shots were fired the end came. In a few minutes the body was removed and workmen were busy removing all traces of
the exciting happening in the backyard.
After Mickey had been shot Mr. Rogers said: "I am only thankful that he was killed before he killed someone else.
He was not naturally ferocious, but was easily excited by crowds."
Mr. Rogers, asked about Mickey's value, told the Daily Post that Mickey was priceless.
"You cannot replace an animal like he was," he said.
When asked what was to be done with Mickey's body, Mr. Rogers said he had decided to have him
mounted and stuffed. "Mickey still belongs to the public, and I am sure thousands of them will still want to see him," he said.
Liverpool Records Office has a number of items under Liverpool Zoo (or was it just zoo) all referring to Mossley Hill zoo.
There is a scrapbook that was kept by the proprietor of the zoo, Mr. H. E. Rogers. It includes lost of interesting detail right from the moment he bought a
large house and grounds in Mossley Hill called Rosemount (sometimes spelled Rosemont). This was 1928 although the zoo didn't open until 1932. The scrapbook
ends with some catalogues from the auction of the house Rosemount. This auction did not have the stuffed Mickey the Monkey and I haven't been able to find
what happened to it. Mr. Rogers retired in 1938 and wanted the zoo to continue but there was no interest. The local residents were opposed to the zoo and
campaigned for the land to be used for mass housing. This was considered surprising at the time, as most of Mossley Hill was large houses, but they were very
unhappy with the escapes. The house and grounds are remembered in the name of Rosemont Road that went through middle of the
estate.
http://www.yoliverpool.com/photoplog...erpool-Zoo.jpg
On 14th October 1938 Liverpool Daily Post
had an article explaining Mr. Rodgers reasons for retiring. The article ends with the following history of Liverpool zoos.
Liverpool has had various
zoos in its history. It is recorded that about 1833 the thirteenth Earl of Derby, founder of the London Zoo and first president of the London Zoological
Society, had the world's finest wild animal collection at Knowsley Park. In the same year one, Thomas Atkins, opened a Liverpool Zoological Gardens on a
nine-acres plot between Farnworth Street and Butler Street, near West Derby Road, and closed down in 1863. There was also Hilton's Menagerie in Lime Street,
opened in 1851. Shortly after the opening of the menagerie two Polar bears escaped and were finally caught in St. James's Cemetery.
In more recent years
there were the Zoological Gardens of Mr. Cross at Otterspool, followed in 1932 by the founding of the present Zoo by Mr. H. E. Rogers at Rosemount, Mossley
Hill. The transference of the Zoo to Mossley Hill met with strong opposition by the local residents, and, in fact, the project was vetoed under a Corporation
town-planning scheme. Mr. Rogers, however, appealed to the Ministry of Health, and his appeal was allowed subject to certain restrictions for the
safeguarding of the residential amenities of the district.
One or two unsuccessful attempts have been made to develop on more ambitious lines the idea of
a Liverpool zoological gardens. The Liverpool Zoological Society was launched in 1926 with the object of forming a civic zoological and botanical garden, and
later fell into abeyance after the refusal of the Corporation to agree to its schemes. Later, within recent years a limited company incorporating the name of
the society was formed with a plan to establish an open air Whipsnade type of zoo on Merseyside. It was hoped to take over the Mossley Hill Zoo as a going
concern, but negotiations fell through and the company, although not would up, has remained virtually defunct.
A number of dramatic, and even tragic
incidents have marked the Zoo's career at Mossley Hill. In June last an attendant was fatally mauled by a leopard, and in March last Mickey, the famous
chimpanzee attraction at the zoo, was shot after a chase in which several people were injured. The escapes of a monkey and a snake caused more amusement than
damage. Many rare and valuable animals have been on view from time to time.