City Boundary Signs - Backfire
A SCHEME to put traditional signs at the boundaries of Liverpool's oldest communities has backfired - leaving families in one upmarket area demading their removal.
Residents in Riverside Drive complained after signs declaring it to be in Dingle, Toxteth and Aigburth were put up within a mile of each other.
Residents on the new estates, created on the site of the International Garden Festival, had demanded the signs should be taken now and re-located.
But council leaders say they have decided against removing the signs until the geographical conundrum is resolved, despite protests that the sign for Dingle is "not even in Dingle".
Last night, Cllr Peter Allen, of St Michael's ward, insisted the signs had not been correctly positioned.
He said: "These signs are absolute nonsense, there's not much point in having signs in the wrong place. I'm annoyed with the officers and, obviously, I'd prefer it if the signs were removed."
Mark Smith, the council's highways and environment officer, said: "We did conduct a wide consultation before the signs were erected and we think they are correctly placed.
"However, we are aware there are still outstanding issues. The signs are not absolutely set in stone and we are happy to listen to the public to get it right."
The council's executive board has decided to listen to councillors' concerns about all disputed signs throughout Liverpool, but in the meantime the board declined to remove the offending markers for the Aigburth and Dingle areas.
Cllr John Coyne, who also represents St Michael's ward, said: "The promise by the executive board is less than we hoped for, but we will work with the review as best we can."
Andrea Spyropoulos, chairwoman of the Riverside Action Group, said residents were upset their area had been wrongly signposted.
She said: "It was quite a shock when they put the signs up. Your postcode determines how much tax you pay and the postcode in Dingle is L3, whereas here is L17.
"It's not because of snobbery, my sister lives in the Dingle and she doesn't consider her area to be Riverside either. It wouldn't harm anybody to change the signs."
Ms Spyropoulos was also concerned the signs would make visitors lose their way.
She said: "I have a terrible sense of direction and if I didn't know the area I'd be confused. We heard nothing about the signs before they went up, but if we had we would have told the council to put them in more sensible places."
The three disputed signs, all located in St Michael's ward, were put up as part of the council's scheme to mark Liverpool's different districts.
However, there is little documentation of Dingle's historical boundary so the sites were chosen on the advice of Joseph Rourke, a member of Highways Management and local historian.
Ullet Rd L8 or L17 or both
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PhilipG
Apparently Toxteth starts right outside the front door of the Nightingale Hotel at the beginning of Princes Road!
And has anyone noticed that they get the postcode wrong on some street names?
The end of Ullet Road by Smithdown Road says L8 instead of L17.
The Elms by Ullet Road was L7 for about a year before it was corrected.
The Ullet Rd L8 sign by Smithdown Rd is of course the original post code before it was changed to L17. They simply have not got around to changing it. other Ullet Rd L8 signs exist further along towards Aigburth Rd. of course the L17 area of the Dingle once had an L8 post code until they developed Promenade Gdns etc and then it was changed to L17. Now of course the locals think this is Aigburth. Post codes simply reflect post office sorting and delivery schedules and have no relationship to urban districts such as Toxteth
Everton Boudaries & Gt Homer St
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Ged
I would say that Gerard is right that there's no way that the bottom or even the top end of Scottie is in Everton. I'd also say Wallasey is correct in that Everton doesn't extend any further West than Netherfield Road. Where that Everton sign is by the Stanley chippy, locals would say it is still Kirkdale because Boundary street was the old boundary with Kirkdale.
I've just had a look at my township boundary maps for the Everton area. The original township boundaries in the Gt Homer st area were field boundaries. These were not in a straight line and hovered back and fro across what became Gt Homer St. ( see Gage's 1836 map) Indeed one part of Gt Homer St itself was called Boundary St at one time. With the continued urbanisation of the area, Gt Homer St itself became the Everton Boundary with Liverpool.
So yes Scotland Rd was not in the township of Everton. Interestingly though in the 1850s the area north of the present Boundary St was classed as Everton Ward. The area to the south was called Scotland Ward. As the population grew, these ward names changed
