Thing is Scouse, it was much the same when they filled in Georges dock,and built the Liver buildings. Look what an icon that's turned out to be!:nod:
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Thing is Scouse, it was much the same when they filled in Georges dock,and built the Liver buildings. Look what an icon that's turned out to be!:nod:
I guess there's something grand about old buildings though. Can u imagine what the william brown st and georges hall area would look like if they decided to build a museum, art gallery, library and big hall there now ?Quote:
Originally Posted by wsteve55
The three Graces created a dead area around them. They are three monolithic structures that add no value to the pavement level streetscape. There has been many schemes to make are area around them a social area - all have failed. The current idea is a mill town development - a canal taking inland barges.Quote:
Originally Posted by wsteve55
The 6 lane road behind them, The Strand, does not help at all - a part of the misplaced and ridiculous 1960s Shankland plan to have an inner motorway, the only section to be completed. Goree Warehouses were demolished to accommodate this abomination. This road should be removed and made a small access road for off peak times only. Pavement cafes and an animated area merging the Pier Head and Three Graces into the city beyond would ideally appear. The Cunard Building is better off being a 5 star hotel. Then maybe the three buildings will merge into the surroundings even more, which they never have.
Georges Dock in front of the buildings would have created a far better water based environment with boats bobbing about. No, it was not a good idea to fill the old Georges Dock, it was old at the time of filling. A little thought and we could have had the Three Graces as a part of a water based animated area, instead of the dead space they created. They just needed to be on the other side of the Strand.
Waterways,that was a belting post,makes you think and reminds you to look at things laterally and not blinkered,thanks.
Some things, you never get used to!!!:nod:
Waterways is like a stuck record.
There,s more to Liverpool than the bloody river and ships.
I wish they'd fill the river in, I don't care if I never see another ship again or listen to anymore sentimental hogwash about the non-existant good old days of sail or steam-they were good for the rich few while our ancestors toiled for a pittance on filthy docks for crap money.
End of story.
Not much more as it is major port and founded on the sea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry
Have you tried Nottingham?Quote:
I wish they'd fill the river in, I don't care if I never see another ship again
I suppose we could do what they did to the Aral Sea:
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Aral Sea
lol !Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
I read the link. It is very depressing what happened to the Aral.
They knew what they were doing as well, knowing the sea would disappear. The climate has been affected as there is little rain because no water evaporates from the sea any longer. It has turned to desert. The Aral was large. 200km at the widest and about near 300km at the longest. There is a plan to take water via a canal from Siberia to fill it up.....2,500km!!!! Yikes!!! I suppose the canal can be used for boats too for transport. Iced up winter no doubt. It will take many years to fill up even if a canal is built to fill it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
People who were not old can remember ports around the sea with large ship in them.
You can't fill the river in! I love water , it has a soothing effect on people andQuote:
Originally Posted by Harry
makes pictures look nice. I haven't seen the Mersey recently but I like it.
It's much,cleaner now,with fish being caught further,and further, up river. I would even swim in it now!!( the last time I did that,was in 1967,surrounded by floating sewage!:eek:)Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelCake
Urgh. If otterspool counts as the Mersey , I last saw it 18 months ago and would't eat anything caught there! (I don't eat fish anyway)Quote:
Originally Posted by wsteve55
Swimming in sewage sounds...kinky and gross. Whatever floats your boat though:unibrow:
It really is cleaner,the water treatment works is around that area! Dont let the mud put you off! I was in Otterspool,and up by the Runcorn bridge,this week,and in both spots,the river looked fine,compared to the oily,smelly,one, I remember as a kid!(when health & safety didn't exist.:nod:)Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelCake
Dolphins and seals are seen in the Mersey. The colour looks brown because of the suspended sand in the fast running water.
RFA Mounts Bay leaving Liverpool 14th June
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I've always wanted to see Runcorn bridge , I guess my ambitions are ridiculously low:unibrow:Quote:
Originally Posted by wsteve55
I don't know how old you are but I doubt they would let you swim there now.
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Originally Posted by Waterways
Dolphins and seals?! I think I might explode with excitement as i've never seen such animals. I was in Crosby last year and saw some stones in a (man made maybe) lake. It meant a lot to me.
The Mersey changes colour frequently with it`s fast flowing tides,likewise it`s inhabitants. A fish that was very really caught in it was rays but are now being caught which is supposed to be a sign that the water is cleaner
Ha, Ha, let us know when your planning that,so I can take a pic' of an exploding Angelcake!:nod:Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelCake
I was sailing back from the Isle of Mann on Sunday just gone. There was a seal following our boat into the river until mounts bay motored past. I've seen porpoise and seals as far down as Otterspool. However i haven't been further than that in the boat as we don't race any further up river on account of needing to get back before the tide pushes too hard.
Looks great the Pier Head lately,Mann Island.
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it's looking good :PDT11
Only to a blind man.Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
That's a classy development.
The black cladding looks superb.
Went past it on Thursday - it's terribly dark on a dull day and doesn't give any light towards the 3 graces.
It destroys the view from the albert dock, but who cares since it'll be premium leasing space since it's got a great view over the dock
When I first saw it, I thought it looked bad from the shore and would ruin the view from the river.
However, returning to the Pier Head on the ferry, I think they did a good job.
The black color just blends in and does not distract from the Three Graces.
If they must put a big building there, at least they did not detract too much from the famous Liverpool postcard view.
I think it's fab :)
Yes to most of the above but not on that site.Anything built between the dock and the Pier Head should be in keeping with the area.Buildings like that should only have been built south of the dock or north of the Liver Buildings.It has taken away one hell of a view when driving in to town from the south.
Should lose it's heritage status for this infidel building!
And a GTA style explosion should be autorised to blow it from the face of the docks!
I like what they're doing down there. It's better than what was there and it will be spectacular when it's finished.
I am not against building on that site either, just something that fits in.
I think it does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
Nice one Howie.
They seem to be making really good progress since I was there in November....
Is there some sort of incentive scheme going for the builders?....:)
Cheers Howie :)
IThanks for the photos Howie,proves my point.How did it get passed planning?It's gone from seeing the stuning MD &HB to a black glass thing. It's a disgrace
But, as I said before, it doesn't look bad from the Mersey side... I think the two level ferry terminal is more distracting from the Three Graces view.
Picture taken mid-October 2009
In a way I don't want everyone to like it.
It's not bland enough for that.