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Cheers Ged:PDT_Piratz_26:
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Originally Posted by Ged
Ged, Smith Street had a double landing of what some people call Scotch houses. It had a big stable block behind it. It was on the same block as the Goats Head pub at the bottom of Kirkdale Road.
These could have been mistaken for old tenements.
Part of 4 blocks known locally in Kirkdale as 'The Buildings'. This is Fonthill House including a pic of the Wash-house chimney.
Hi Ged the flats were I think three high could have been four... There was a verandah leading off the kitchen and the living room windows looked out onto a court yard which was surrounded by all the other flats. The verandah had a wall cos I remember I could never see over it. The entrance to the block was like a square arch way if you know what I mean, this also ran through to the court yard.I remember there was a row of shops that ran at the side of the block which I think was Boundary Street, just before the shops was the road that lead to the flats. I think the number was 35b Heriot Place. Hope this is of some help... it was such a long time ago and the memory isnt quite as good as I thought it was.
Someone else has confirmed this to me but i've never seen them pictured anywhere or heard reference to them before. I'll have to check out the streets surrounding them in the records office. My wife said the people from Melrose/Owen/Stanley and Fonthill House in Kirkdale were moved out to by the Shakespeare pub in Bootle and then the people from Heriot Place/Street were moved into the new estate built on the site of Melrose.
Hi !, my Dad was born in Thornton Place, I have been trying to find pictures without any luck at all !...Mum was born in Bessemer Street and the whole family have lived all over the Dingle here are just some....Marmion Terrace,Stopford Sreet, Monro Street, Beresford Road, Grafton Street, Aberdeen Street, Admiral Place, Northumberland Street, Hughson Street, Park Street, Park Place, Warwick Street,Busbys Cottages ???, Back Chester Street, Gaskell Street,Guest Street,Goring Street, Mann Street, I have traced my family back to the late 1700's and from 1he 1800's have mainly been living in the Dingle/ToxtethQuote:
Originally Posted by runcorn_lad
Ooooop nearly forgot I was born in Greta Street, next to the dairy (Thwaites).
Squiggs
I've just read your last post and wonder if you could possibly help me - if you don't mind that it is? You mention that you were born next to Thwaites Dairy in Greta Street, would you by any chance have any memories of these people at all - good or bad that you could share? Thanks to your post I believe I may have discovered who the Richard Thwaite on my Grandparents wedding certificate is and any info would be greatly appreciated.
dioraddict
I think they moved to Allerton and had the house next to the Allerton Odeon with dairy. I worked with Linda Thwaite.Quote:
Originally Posted by dioraddict
Hi !,
I remember Richie Thwaite he was really nice I am sure that he had a brither but cant remember his name !...when we moved to Mossley Hill Mum said she bumped into "The Twaites" so maybe they did move to Allerton.They where such a nice family sorry but I was quite young when I moved from Greta Street, however they sold the best ginger beer I have ever tasted in brown ceramic bottles...
I think they lived in Alderton Rd, off Smithdown, then moved to Allerton in the early to mid 1960s. That's if it is the right Thwaites of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by squiggs
We moved from Greta St in 1966 so you could be right !.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
Hi everyone
Im new to this site so please bear with me!!
After years of trying to find out information I have come across your site and how fab is it. The reason I am posting is to ask you all if there were any tenement blocks in Bootle/Kirdale. Specifically off Rimrose/Great Howard Street. I have been looking into this for a while now and I keep hitting brick walls. I am led to believe that there were blocks in Luton Street, Saltney Street, Dublin Street area not far from the Heritage Market by the Tobacco warehouse. A family member who has passed told me about them as a relative used to live there on the third floor apparently. Does anyone know of them at all?
Also, there used to be "prefabs"? I presume these were temporary builds after the war. I really hope someone can help me as I am starting to pull my hair out lol!
Keep up the good work everyone - brilliant site!!
Regards
Lonnie74 :)
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Reckon Ged's the man to ask about these, good luck:)
Hi there
I wasnt expecting a reply so quickly lol - thanks very much!! Just hope he notices this post xx
Thanks wsteve. I've replied to you on the introductions thread Lonnie. Good luck. In the meantime i'll see if I can find any. You might want to take a look at this page on my site; http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=44922707&cr=7
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I lived in Windsor Gardens from 1964 to 1974. We were one of the last families to be moved out. I remember World in Action coming to do a programme on the troubles at the time, it must have been made around 1973. It's hard to find any pictures of this tenement block anywhere but I did once stumble on a photo in a book in the city library. Would anyone know how to get hold of the programme? It would be a fascinating piece of film if anyone could get hold of it.
My mum was brought up in the Four Squares and my grandparents lived in the Piggeries.
I remember that World in Action - I have tried to find it on the inter-net with no luck. I would love to see it as someone I know was being interviewed in it.
A link to the Thames TV programme.Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/sho...1972#post86599
Thanks Waterways - I'd forgotten about that link ! :)
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/att...2&d=1192044569
Windsor Gardens in WW2.
That small block seen on the footage is Windsor Gardnes, everyone seems to have forgotten it. I lived there for 10 years until it was knocked down because of the troubles. All the fighting took place in and around there in 1972, hence the programme being made.
Windsor Gardens was already scheduled to be demolished before the trouble. It may have accelerated the demise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windsor
Hi Waterways,
I was there is 1972, look back on this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windsor
What were these 1972 troubles about?
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/sho...ial#post116050Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
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It's all so long ago so my memory of it is a bit rusty - but I definately remember the black kids being attacked by skinhead gangs. Especially skinheads from areas such as Holt rd, Earl rd, Park rd (all danger zones for young blacks). I remember clearly my black friends being chased on more than one occassion. It was quite dangerous to be out and about in certain districts.
One time, when the power cuts where on and everywhere was in total darkness, a friend of mine ran to safety towards a group silhouetted in the gloom - getting closer and closer, only to find it was a gang of Earl rd skinheads :eek: - something like running into the jaws of a shark :eek:
they high tailed it across towards Entwistle heights across the 'borderline' to safety !
My friend's nan used to say, 'if any of those 'skin arses' come near my house I've got me red pepper ready !!' :unibrow:
There was some serious warfare going on.
I especially remember the mini riots around the Faulkner estate which I have already talked about further back in the thread.
It went on for two or three nights before the Echo reported it, and only after the Daily Express, a national paper, reported it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Windsor
Hi again,
Yes, the 'warfare' between the blacks and the skinheads went on for a long time.
Ged do you have any photo of 147a mill road.thanks.
I lived in Hurst Gardens as a kid. We were a real little community - everyone joining in and supporting each other. I only remember the good times of course. Our flat was quite big, but the kitchen very small. I also knew St Oswalds Tenements very well - having loads of mates living there.
My grandparents and other family members lived in King Gardens. I have only good memories of living in this type of housing.
Its true burkhilly that communities lost that special feel with the demise of these buildings. I never lived in one, but my relatives still talk about them now.
I remember the Prefabs, and how sorry some people where to leave them.
Hello Burkhilly and Spike and how right you are. Yet another screening of Gardens of Stone took place last week in the old National Giro in Netherton. This concerns Liverpool's tenements and yet again, the people who lived in them and visited family there had only good memories to talk of.
One lady mentioned to me that she recently moved from her street after 10 years (after previously living in the odl tennies), she said tara to just 2 people that she got to know there as everybody kept themselves to themselves, didn't mingle and you never saw them after they were behind their front door. A world away from the old times of people standing on the landing jangling about nothing in particular as they watched the world go by and their kids play below in the square.
George Orwell, a brief visitor to Liverpool, labelled the newly built Bull Ring flats as 'slums of the air'.
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c6.../BULLYPANO.jpg
Then he was wrong wasn't he if you think about what the new residents of those flats had come from, they were pure luxury.
They clearly were better than where they came from. I think George Orwell was about right Ged. The odd gardens block was OK, but many of those tenements, and much of the later tower blocks, ended as he described, 'slums of the air'. Very prophetic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged