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A ghetto Tesco.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Max, your'e talking about my neighbourhood. :PDT10Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
You do obsess about ghettos!
It's about time you were informed that you don't live in one of the better areas of Liverpool.
I think the plans for Tesco look brilliant ,
Max , the people from Park Rd , are the salt of the earth , especially the older residents, Ghetto i think not , but your entitled to your opinion .
Love Karen x
I obsess about anything that I can't stop laughing about.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
Kev's made a south central sub forum with this thread In so maybe he's been listening to Rap music comparing Toxteth to South Central LA.:eek:
Come on! It doesn't look ok. It is really depressing and i'm fed up with parts of Liverpool looking like forgotten dumps. People deserve more. I'm sick of all the money being spent on town yet the local areas are left to ruin.Tesco is the size of a small country and has too much power but I hope they get permission. Think I went to the old Leo's once as a child. That was ages ago
You live in Wavertree so are on thin ground! It's hardly CalderstonesQuote:
Originally Posted by Max
Are we talking about the same Park Road?Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelCake
I'm talking about the one in L8, and I see it every day.
I've admitted there is some dereliction in one stretch, but the rest of it looks very good.
There's lots of new buildings.
The pavements and street furniture are new.
It's kept clean of litter, and there are very few empty shops.
It's certainly not a "forgotten dump".
And the comment about "Salt of the earth" people is very patronising.
Park Road rocks and so do all the other areas that still have an array of much needed local grocery shops, butchers, chandlers, newsagents etc. These places are sometimes the centre for communities, especially the older generation to meet and have a natter and catch up on the local goss. I remember Soho street and William Henry street being like this in Everton. Supermarkets are so clinically clean and square - a straight in and out and back home place and not everyone can get to them.
Park Rd is pleasant traveling through on our way to Gym Tots at the sports center. I see the houses are 100% sold.
Its great to see its rejuvenation.
What will happen to the rows of shops should Tesco open? Tesco usually sometimes buy out near by premises and employ the staff within the tesco complex instead.
Rows of shops invariably close down when nearby supermarkets open due mainly of course to the competition. I know publishers and small bookshops who tell me they cannot compete with supermarkets selling books. Small clothes shops are effected by Asda's George (Dunn's, Peacocks etc etc) Wilkinsons do hardware and household stuff of course so it's not just the usual food supermarkets who sell everything these days that have an impact on the local rows of shops. I use supermarkets for the family big shop but inevitably have to use smaller shops for day to day items and stuff we've forgotten.
Hopefully the small shops will survive when Tesco opens.
Leos/Pioneer and then Kwik Save/Somerfield haven't closed them.
Unfortunately, there is no longer a traditional butcher in Park Road, but that's the only business (in 15 years) that I've seen go, that can be blamed on a supermarket opening.
Are you saying a small shop say named, "The Sweet Shop", will be bought out by Tesco and keep the same name, look and feel?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
Yes John, they will have little 10p mix bags and a friendly local just for sweets at the end of the tills. :PDT10Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
No I wasn't saying that, the larger stores such as chemists have previously been absorbed (if thats the right term) into the new supermarket.
So you end up with a boarded up shop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
Tesco can kill an area. In Maida Vale in London, they opened up a 24/7 Tesco Express at a garage. It took more per square foot than any other Tesco in Europe or something like that. About 1/4 mile was a row of shops with two small supermarkets next door to each other. There was competition with the two and one was was rather upmarket selling some nice produce. They both had nice shop fronts. The two of them suffered and were bought up by Tesco who knocked them into one and yet another Tesco Express. Tesco Expresses look awful - really naff looking shop fronts.
Unles someone is logging on as me,I didn't mention "Salt of the earth" people. I'm talking about High Park street mainly but the whole area needs more help.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
I'm sorry about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelCake
I've just checked, and it wasn't you who mentioned "Salt of the earth" people.
What you did say was (IMHO) rather harsh.
All of Liverpool needs more help.
We all know that.
Parts Phil, only parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
Here's a few random planning applications around Toxteth: Time to get the camera out before it's too late.
St Peters Church, High Park Street. (To demolish church and erect 33 apartments. 4/10/2007 no decision yet)
All the following applications have been passed, but not yet acted upon...apartments/houses to be built.
Crows Nest pub, Mill Street (already demolished)
The Hollow pub, Mill Street (still standing)
Royal George pub (Blacks), Park Road (still standing)
Former old peoples home, Park Street/Upper Essex Street (to refurbish and extend for apartments)
It's true. I was talking to the one remaining fishmonger in St John's market;Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
I remember when it was a proper fishmarket with all stalls occupied on both sides of that avenue - now there is one solitary stall left. The fishmonger told me it was the result of the supermarkets taking over.
I commented on how you can't buy fresh fish in Anfield, or anywhere in the surrounding districts - we used to have 2 fish shops in Anfield - Priory rd and Breck rd - my mum reminded me that there were in fact 4 in the district at one time. He went on to tell us that, outside of St John's market, there are only 3 remaining shops open for business in L'pool :eek: .. it makes you think.
There are fewer butchers left now - I think there are only 2 or 3 left in my area - one on Priory rd that is just about surviving, and 1 or maybe 2 on Breck rd.
the large deli shop next to Barclays bank closed down recently - none can compete since the Breck rd Asda opened.
Even the little florist by the library had to close - - Asda sells flowers and plants too !
Ah, sad to see the old ways disappearing like this. Completely new world. . . for better or worse. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
Chris
ASDA and Tesco give the public what they want.
That's why they're so popular.
The public have the right to continue trading at the traditional shops, but don't.
It might be short-sighted of the public, but that's what happens.
If my local Tesco or Somerfield did the Lottery, I'd probably never go into any of the other local shops.
It is a tad harsh but i've lived here all my life so not making comments without thinking first,I make them out of sadness.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
All of Liverpool needs help? I disagree. It's too easy to class the whole of Liverpool as run down and horrible (mentioning you're from Liverpool can still be met by lazy stereotypes)Parts of Liverpool are beautiful and looked after.
What disappoints me about regeneration is the speed at which it happens in one area and is almost standstill in other areas of Toxteth.
Park Rd has seen significant activity over recent years, yet places near like Princess Drive/ Lodge Lane havn't (yet)
I completely agree KevQuote:
Originally Posted by Kev
Park Road looks alot better than it did. Still not looking as good as it could, but it's a step in the right direction!
Lodge Lane needs alot of work doing. It is a thriving area, and it deserves some attention and some money thrown at it
I was on Flickr last night and saw a picture taken in the late 80's and the street still looked like a riot had just taken place. It's a shame how slow regeneration takes place in certain areas. I'm not sure who has power to clean up the neglected parts of Liverpool but I wish they would get a move on.Edge Lane is run down and that is a gateway to the city so not sure when Lodge Lane will be helped.Maybe the rebranding of Heysmoor Heights will speed things up.Newcomers to an area seem to matter more than local peopleQuote:
Originally Posted by Kev
Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelCake
Properties in the Lodge Lane area are being advertised with the tag line of 'being close to Lark Lane', which seems a sad indictment of an area which should be able to advertise itself for it's own merits.
The area is still rich with multiculturalism, as has been the case for a very long time (many years before the riots). However, it's underfunding has kept the scars of the riots there to see over 25 years on (and as a consequence makes it harder to to dispel preconceived ideas of what it's *actually* like to live in the area).
(Ben - Hartington Road resident - long time lurker / first time poster :-) )
Hi Ben, welcome to the site.
Hello and welcome ( - :Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Lodge Lane needs some investment.It should have cafes ,nice shops ,maybe a delicatessen (although most people are too in love with supermarkets now).There's no reason why it couldn't become a nice Lark Lane esque shopping area.The problem with Toxteth is no one is willing to help.It's in such a good location-Two parks ,close to town etc Pulling down beautiful buildings instead of renovating them is a disgrace.I'm fed up seeing whole streets full of empty houses
Lank Lane is middle class, Lodge is far from it. Lodge Lane will never be a Lark Lane. Cafes? On the pavement? There? Nah.....Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelCake
Thank you both Kev and AngelCake!
It does really amaze me that with the location, as you rightly say, has easy access to 2 parks (one being, in my opinion, the finest park in the North West) and a quick wander down the hill to town - that LCC have been shortsighted enough to allow an area like Lodge Lane slip under the radar for so many years.
I suspect that this will not be the case for much longer ... but I think this will be due to market forces more so than any real council policy.
Lodge Lane won't ever be a Lark Lane .... but I would like to think that there's a whole new vibrant road waiting to be reborn under it's own banner ....
If that proves to be the case, then it'll really be no thanks to the powers than be that have allowed it to stay run down for so long.
It might be unlikely but it's better throwing out ideas rather than leaving it the way it is. Lodge Lane has a bad reputation at the moment and whenever I pass it always looks depressing.The local people deserve moreQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
It will probably depend on who moves into Heyesmoor heights and whether they will complain about a lack of shops and other facilities.Lodge Lane has a bingo hall at the top,though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
I believe that you are right .... it will depend on the future residents of Heyesmoor Heights, and other developments to cater for the expanding 'close to city' area.
Market forces will dictate the future of Lodge Lane.
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I once lived in Croxteth Rd. Very middle class, university people, etc. Lodge Lane was the nearest shopping road. People from the park end never ventured about half way up. Then it was 500% better than now, but still distinctly working class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Middle class in the roads around the park. Working class off Lodge Lane itself.
Is that Lodge Lane? From what end?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben
Do you have a class obsession?! I don't believe in talking about class,just people (I know i'm in the minority)Lodge Lane has changed since the 50's,60's etc but it doesn't mean it should stay neglected."Working class" people need shops tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
I've lived off Lodge Lane for about 10 years (University life for about 4 years, working life the remaining 6).Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
It's not the garden of Eden (especially if you you have a distinctly Oxford accent like myself) but it offers what it can, and is not more treacherous than many other streets in Liverpool and elsewhere.
What the area can be, and what it once was are things that are obvious to the residents - not so to the onlookers (and the university class from the park end that don't fancy the remaining 50% of the walk up the lane ;-) )
I am addressing the point that Lodge Lane can be a Lark Lane. Forget it, it will not. Not unless the population in the streets off Lodge Lane are removed and new middle class homes built. Gentrification. That may happen, however it will take a long time.Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelCake
Looking down towards the 'safe' Sefton Park end from the 'gangsta' Smithdown Road end (circa 1900 ish)Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelCake
(PS I live the 'gangsta' road end, by all accounts ..... :rolleyes: )
I realise that I may be jumping in on a point that you are making that's just part of your debate with AngelCake - but, if you don't mind me asking, would you consider the gentrification (your word) of Lodge Lane a good thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways