that's great news, cheers Ged :PDT11
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Cladding row could delay new Liverpool museum
Jan 18 2008
by David Bartlett, Liverpool Daily Post
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FRESH fears emerged last night that construction of Liverpool’s new flagship museum will run over schedule.
It has been revealed that problems with choosing marble for the facade means a new planning application will be needed.
National Museums Liverpool (NML) is planning to change the facade of the £50m Museum of Liverpool at Mann Island from Travertine marble to Jura limestone.
It follows the sacking of Danish architects 3XN, who were replaced with Manchester-based practice AEW in November.
Heritage campaigners last night raised concerns that a new planning application, which will have to be considered by the city’s planning committee, could delay the scheme by months.
Long-term patron and city solicitor Rex Makin, who has given the organisation hundreds of thousands of pounds, last night said the situation was a “crisis”.
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If it needs a new planning application they should either hurry up and rush it through or stick with the original cladding. Panicing and moaning isn't going to solve anything.
Sad to see 2011 mentioned as on schedule when I was told 2010. My model is going in there and I need the space in my garage quick :)
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16th Feb 2008:
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New Pier Head museum will "offer great views of Mersey"
Mar 3 2008
by David Bartlett, Liverpool Daily Post
LIVERPOOL'S new £68m museum is to feature viewing platforms affording “beautiful views” across the Mersey and Pier Head.
National Museums Liverpool (NML) has applied for planning permission for the platforms as part of a redesign to improve the ramps for disabled people to access the building.
NML has also applied for permission to change the cladding from Travertine marble to Jura marble on the Museum of Liverpool which is currently being built at Mann Island.
It follows the sacking of Danish architects 3XN, who were replaced with Manchester-based practice AEW in November.
Heritage campaigners have raised concerns the change in material could lead to a impasse with the city's planning committee.
Last month, the Daily Post revealed just how important the material used in the cladding was to the council when the scheme was originally given planning permission.
Last night, a NML spokesman said: “The original material proposed for the cladding of the new Museum of Liverpool, Travertine limestone, has been proven, after testing, to be unsuitable for the building.
“The open face of the stone has natural fissures which have become pitted with black algae and some of the panels have fractured.
“An alternative limestone, Jura, has been sourced and this is much finer grained with a closed surface which will not attract the same degree of growth and can be surface treated to ensure that it remains pristine and can be protected against graffiti.
“This is now subject to a new planning application. Jura has been used on many major public buildings, including the Royal Danish Opera House in Copenhagen, a building of quality.”
Source: Liverpool Daily Post
They could have made the landing stage look a bit better on that render couldn't they ;)
Interesting interview with the Architects now running the New Museum project.
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?...rycode=3110196
Uncertainty over new £68m museum likely to be settled by planners
Apr 8 2008
by David Bartlett, Liverpool Daily Post
UNCERTAINTY over Liverpool’s new £68m museum on the city’s historic waterfront looks likely to be settled today when councillors are asked to approve a new facade for the building.
The Museum of Liverpool is now on its second set of architects and the building is due before the city’s planning committee today because of a change in the marble cladding from Travertine to Jura.
Council planners have recommended that the switch in material be approved.
The change in material has angered heritage campaigners who last night said the new material is not good enough and that they always said Travertine was unsuitable anyway.
The change in cladding material followed National Museums Liverpool (NML) sacking Danish architects 3XN, who were replaced with Manchester-based practice AEW in November.
The saga over the new museum also lead long-term patron and city solicitor Rex Makin, who has given the organisation hundreds of thousands of pounds, to des-cribe the situation as a “crisis”.
Despite the cladding issue work has continued on the Mann Island site and is on track to be built by the end of the year with an open-ing date in 2010 or 2011.
Approval was given for the museum in December 2005 and according to NML a sample panel of Travertine marble has remained on the site since.
A council report says NML “became concerned about the suitability of the material, because it has shown extensive signs of weathering and discolouration.”
The Travertine had attracted dirt, the surface had stained from water run off, and algae had begun to form with some of the fissures.
NML said that Jura limestone, by virtue of its dense structure and low porosity, is less susceptible to weathering and more resistant to graffiti.
“Its closed face makes it difficult to permanently attach paint and also makes it easier to clean,” states the report.
“By contrast, the nature of the Travertine makes it absorbent to paint and difficult to clean. The Jura is smooth and will not harbour algae or dirt.
“The Planning Manager is satisfied Jura limestone is a high quality, durable material which is a fitting material for the new Liverpool Museum and the important historic context within which it is to be located.”
Wayne Colquhoun, of the Liverpool Preservation Trust, said he had warned of the vulnerability of Travertine when the original planning permission was granted.
“This whole affair has turned into a farce. Changing from Travertine to Jura is like giving a sore thumb a bruise.”
He said Jura was the type of material used for the Metquarter shopping centre, but was not appropriate for a world heritage site.
Source: Liverpool Daily Post
Council demands tests to prove new museum can withstand sea air
Apr 9 2008
by Ben Schofield, Liverpool Daily Post
JURA limestone will clad the £68m Museum of Liverpool, but only if planning officers are satisfied with durability test results, it was decided yesterday.
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12th April 2008:
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Huge version (worth a view): Here
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Huge version (worth a view): Here
3 in 1 here.
The new ferry terminal building, the new museum of Liverpool life and the canal link all under construction.
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Maybe this should have gone in the Paradise thread......
Was in town today on business and decided to bus it in as I was going to meet someone by St Nick's Church.
When I left, I thought I would have a nose down the Dock Road and was amazed at what I saw.
It's been a few years since I used to go down to the Pier Head and press my nose against the Porsche Showroom on Mann Island. All gone. Bottom of Mann Island there used to be a lovely view over the waterfront, bit of grass, seats - all gone. Now that view has been lost by another building that looks out of place.
Anyway, I'm getting old - sod all of this, I'll go to Paradise Bus Station. And could I get there? Both pedestrian pavements weren't there either side of the Dock Road meaning that it was impossible to actually get to the bus station from the bottom of James Street. Even with my knowledge of the back streets, I still couldn't make it.
Eventually flagged a Taxi and went past the building site that was once Liverpool. :PDT_Xtremez_12::PDT_Xtremez_12:
Yes you're getting old Cad and not looking at the pics on here often enough if you didn't know all that was gone ;)
I don't like the look of the new ferry terminal already as it will still obscure the so called 3 graces from the River which is no better than what was there before, maybe the inside will make up for it.
I often drop my girls off at Baby Cream, you want to try doing that at the weekend, that'll give anyone something to moan about, you have to go round the world and all the taxi drivers are moaning about Hanover St and the new arena 'none' rank but we're told it's all getting sorted and it has to be a massive building site in order to enjoy what will come.
See http://www.bigdig.liverpool.gov.uk/getting/index.asp - it may help!
The waterfront museum – a key “legacy” project of Capital of Culture year – could be dragged into a courtroom battle over who owns the copyright in its distinctive X-wing design. Read
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Don’t let row delay museum
Apr 21 2008
by Alan Weston, Liverpool Daily Post
EVEN though building work is well under way on the new £68m Museum of Liverpool, the project is in danger of getting bogged down in a legal row over who owns the designs for the iconic building.
It follows the sudden and unexpected dropping of Danish architects 3XN from the project towards the end of last year. They are now in talks with lawyers and may seek damages over breach of copyright.
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Danish practice 3XN won the project in 2004, beating Daniel Libeskind and Zaha Hadid, only to be sacked by the museum last November over “performance issues”. Until now it has only criticised the client’s role in the saga.
But following BD’s recent interview (Solutions April 4) with AEW — the executive architect which replaced 3XN on the scheme — 3XN director Kim Nielsen has accused the Manchester-based practice of playing a key role in its sacking.
FULL STORY
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/story.asp?...rycode=3111464
Oops Double post.
Can someone please delete this.
13th May 2008.
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Panels being fitted to side of new Museum.
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seems to be coming along all of a sudden doesn't it?
Crackin' building.
As much as I am in favor of the new museum I do have concerns over the 'wedges'. My opinion on this development has varied alot since the plans where originally shown, but after walking around the Pier Head area today I think they could be one of the biggest mistakes this city has ever made.
We will lose one of the most impressive views of the three graces which will only be viewable from the front or rear. Currently, they have such dominance and prowess, so to build three quite ugly buildings right in front of them seems wrong and saddens me.
Personally I think that area should simply be landscaped with seating and some sort of central feature like a fountain of statue, but I suppose it's too late now.
There seems to be a policy with this council of building on every piece of land we have but in this case I think it could scar our waterfront forever. If you couple this with the planned five star hotel next to the Liver Building, it seems that the Graces are going to be sandwiched between numerous buildings and in turn could lose their elegance and prowess on the skyline of Liverpool and become barely noticable.:(
I was disappointed yesterday to see the new ferry building almost complete obliterates the view of the Cunard building. :disgust:
I'm sure a long low level building would have been better.
Some people seem to think that our waterfront is only seen from head on, but in actual fact more people see it from the back or side on. Very few people (visitors and residents) see it as you see it on the t.v.
As you point out, the new ferry terminal is yet another building that obscures the graces. Too much building in too small a space. I suppose we will have to wait till it's all finished before we can make a decision on how it looks but the outlook isn't good.:PDT_Xtremez_42:
Isn't that the new ferry terminal in the centre of this photo?
Seems very small to me, and it can't be positioned anywhere else.
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That's the new museum, if you mean the building with the red girders, or have you put the wrong photo up?Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
Museum takes rebirth of Liverpool to a new level
Jun 28 2008
by Catherine Jones, Liverpool Echo
ANOTHER milestone... another great moment in the resurgence of our city.
The stunning waterfront Museum of Liverpool has taken a step nearer towards completion.
Contractors have finished the steel structure of the X-shaped site, which is due to open to the public in 2010.
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Not open till 2010!
How long does it take to complete a small building like that?
No, not the wrong photo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Samp
I said the centre of the photo. :unibrow:
The ferry terminal building.
Rather proves my point that it's not very big. :)
Architect brings Mann Island waterside ‘wedges’ vision to life
Jul 1 2008
by David Bartlett, Liverpool Daily Post
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AN IMPRESSIVE new model revealing the plans for one of Liverpool’s emerging waterfront sites was unveiled yesterday as the centrepiece of a major exhibition.
The Making of Mann Island, which opened at the Renew Rooms, in Wood Street, yesterday, explains how the controversial three granite “wedges” development has evolved in Liverpool’s World Heritage site.
The four-week exhibition will give the public a chance to see what the completed scheme will look like and understand more about how Liverpool-trained lead architect, Matt Brook and his team set about designing the development between the famed Three Graces and the Grade I-Listed Albert Dock complex.
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19th July 2008
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Hi Kev
Well it still looks like a shoebox and probably almost as much a distraction from the wonderful Three Graces that make up Liverpool's unique waterfront as the Cloud would have been. Wonderful museum it may turn out to be but as architecture??? :PDT_Xtremez_12:
Chris
It actually about the size of a football pitch and I think it'll be one of our great buildings one day.
Looks like a footy crowd, outside the Pumphouse ;)