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Looks like Brown is on the ropes again. Seems his leadership is being called into question again. I was looking at the results of a Yougov survey yesterday and I think it was over 60% of those questioned thought Brown was doing a bad job. Ive been expecting this latest wobble and I think that if Labour stand any chance at all, they will have to go into the next election with a new leader. This one may just snowball. (Snowball. Get it, eh eh?)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8443769.stm
He's been there before though. I can't see how they can win an election with him in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by underworld
Hoon and Hewitt are behind this one. They are Political Heavies and I have a feeling that this one is going to be different. Any move to out Brown has to be done now as its the only chance Labour have. This is the only way in my opinion, that they can possibly win the next election. Axe Brown, have an election straight away.
I'd have to agree with you. Brown is unelectable. Don't think he's been a bad Prime Minister. He's just committed the ultimate sin. He was unlucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by underworld
Good post Birdy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Birdy
- Just stating the raw facts pre the CC, is all the current government have to do.
- The facts are indisputable.
- The gvmt are a great success from 1997 until the CC.
- They also faired brilliantly in the CC preventing soup lines.
- They are the people, who have proven brilliant at economic management, to take us fully out of the CC
Oh my God! he is going by polls, which change like the wind. All the gvmt have to do is state their record from 1997 to the CC and the way they put together the strategy to pull the world put of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by underworld
Selective amnesia sets in.
People hopefully will see past the media character assassination and see the competence and experience of the man. We Need this admin in charge to take us out of the CC. They have the experience and competence to do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo42
God help us if that bunch of Hurray Henry old schoolboy clique get in power.
Campbell is yet to to surface. Wait!
I'd say the biggest problem political parties have is trying to convince people to vote at all. People seemed browned (get it!) off with politicians, especially since most of them were caught with their hands in the till.Quote:
Originally Posted by underworld
All those years under the Tories and people thought their lives would improve under Labour, and look at what we've got? So, many people reach the conclusion that no political party will represent them, and they're quite right.
In 1994, Labour MP Roy Hattersley suggested that ?the working class would continue to vote for Labour whatever the party does?. When many members of the working class stayed at home for the 2001 General Election, Jack Straw described the low turnout as ?the politics of contentment?.
Such is the arrogance of these people.
http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb...4-FE2393DC.jpg
Voting in Cameron will anger his spirit, you must not anger the dead.
Lib Dems don't look different to Labor judging off little of what i've read either.
Clegg made a good point in this article though, low income earners pay horribly high taxes like my mum does.
http://www.libdems.org.uk/our_campai...8-206c615b33bb
Not been sure about them either since the Liverpool Lib Dems are thieves still though.
I agree with Waterways about the selective amnesia, i don't remember so much complaining about Labor until Blair agreed to Iraq and then the newspapers exaggerated alot of crap too. Before 2003, there was no relevant complaints.
Stuff like benefits for people who need them outside of JSA have improved since Labor got in too. I remember all the scaffoldings in Calderstones in 97 fixing all the leaking buildings and they have had more new buildings built since so there has been some good out of Labor.
Maybe i miss a few things because i get bored reading newspapers.
There was that business with Bernie Ecclestone and the donation. There was Billy Straw selling drugs to a Daily Mirror reporter and Euan Blair collapsed drunk in the street and underage too. Robinson's dodgy loan to Mandelsson. Roger Liddle and the 'cash for access' scandal. Cronyism. Keith Vaz promising one of his lawyer friends some kind of 'honour'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
There was The Dome, Blair's appointment of Heseltine and Patten to government commitees (although how two more Tories in the Labour Party along with the rest of them came as a surprise is anyones guess). Derry Irvine's flat. Small stuff compared to immoral sanctions and wars, but they were going to "clean up politics" back in 1997.
All in all, they're no better than the Tories. Who have had Cecil Parkinson, Stephen Norris, Alan Clarke, all serial adulterers. Insider dealing, Piers Merchant, Aitken, Major doing the dirty on Norma with Edwina Currie (Back to Basics?), RAB Butler having a fling with one of the Kray twins as well as Harold McMillian's wife.
At least no dogs were shot!:slywink:
What world are you in? Waved any flags today?Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieW
Many people see the system stronger than the political parties. This the case in the USA. They then trust the system and do not vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieW
In the UK there is much sway between when parties get in. It does matter what you vote, hence why more British vote than Americans.
Introduce Land Value Tax (no income tax) and we will go more to the USA ways.
without a knowledge of [the law of rent] which, it is impossible to understand the effect of the progress of wealth on profits and wages, or to trace satisfactorily the influence of taxation on different classes of the community;
- David Ricardo
C'mon then WW, who is your worst PM? Just one line will do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
As far as I"m concerned all MP"s are tarred with the same brush out for themselves and to hell with the people, also Water ways is just sniping from behind the safety of his keyboard, lighten up, cheers Ernie:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Ha, nice one Ernie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ernie
Thatcher of course. That goes without saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo42
I still think that WW is a closet Conservative, his rantings have turned me off voting for Nu-Labour
NEWS FLASHMy old mate George Skelly, of Cameo Conspiracy fame, is on Radio Merseyside talking about Inspector Balmer and the Burns and Devlin case. Dont miss it.
I am an ABC Anyone But Conservative. I would vote Monster Raving Loony before them.Quote:
Originally Posted by captain kong
They appear to have a better manifesto than the Tories :)
http://www.loonyparty.com/index.php?...stoproposals-1
I am an ABC Anyone But Conservative. I would vote Monster Raving Loony before them. WW.
I voted for the MONSTER RAVING LOONEY PARTY a few years ago.
THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES WHO TOLD THE TRUTH.
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Originally Posted by captain kong
When? I hope he's going to write a book about that case.
Sorry about that George is on Radio Merseyside at 1130 today Fridayu. abouit Balmer and the Burns and Devlin case/
Cheers
Yeh,lets get rid of them, and replace them with angels!!:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ernie
Ha, sounds like you know politicians too.Quote:
Originally Posted by wsteve55