when I was looking for Abercromby Square on my Alan Godrey 1906 map I noticed a Bishops Palace on the corner of Oxford St & Chatham Street.
is this building still standing ?
Mandy
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when I was looking for Abercromby Square on my Alan Godrey 1906 map I noticed a Bishops Palace on the corner of Oxford St & Chatham Street.
is this building still standing ?
Mandy
Out of interest. Where is Canning st and Huskisson street as far as areas go?
I found it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by robbo176
http://www.chavasse.u-net.com/bishopspalace.html
Canning I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
Canning is I think a fairly modern invent as a district name. The historical name for the area was Abercromby, named after Abercromby Square and the ex council ward of the same name. There is an Abercromby Health Centre on I believe Grove StQuote:
Originally Posted by Max
Max, the Edge Hill boundary is Crown St. So Abercromby Square is within the old Liverpool boundaries and is in the Abercromby District. The council do have an Edge Hill district sign on Grove St but this simpy marks the one street L7 post code boundary and is nothing to do with Edge Hill real boundaries as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
Abercromby Sqaure Is past Crown Street though.
I think Taffy means that the area East of Crown st is Edge Hill. Abercromby Square is city centre side of Crown St and its continuation, Grove St.
I do know of Abercromby being a council district but someone who I know who lives in Canning Street considers it to be Toxteth-ish.
Canning Street is in L8. It has never been in Toxteth. In my experience most people who were born in L8 tend to use the postcode to refer to the area they are from, with the exception of the Dingle area. (People say they are from the Dingle). I always think of the part of L8 north of Upper Parliament Street as part of 'town'. It's currently being marketed under a range of guises (Canning, Georgian, Hope Street, Cultural, Cathedral ...). My bet is that it will end up as 'town'. People I know who live in that area tend to say they are from Canning Street, Catherine Street - whatever Street, and provide no further explanation!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
That's right. I've known a lot of people born and bred around L'pool 8 - in roads including Falkner, Canning, Huskisson, Hope st, Stanhope st.
No matter what the official boundaries were or are, they always said that they were from L'pool 8 - never saying Toxteth (which only became in usage by the media after the riots - and no one had ever heard of it being called the 'Georgian Quarter either !!
It seems to be popular to call it 'Tocky' these days - usually by the youth.
Dingle. people from Dingle usually say they are from Dingle and don't refer to it as anything else.
My father-in-law was born in the bread streets. It's Dingle and yet his mail always had Toxteth on them. When my wife mentioned this to him in front of some neighbours, he said they've got it wrong it's Dingle but then his neighbours chipped in saying 'Oh it is Toxteth though, the posh end of Toxteth' :)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/maxmolyneux/
Updated my Wavertree set.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Got more to look at but going the gym.
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Originally Posted by lindylou
Like me, Lindy.
My postcode is L8, but if the wind is behind me I can spit as far as L17! :PDT10
But I always insist the Dingle is part of Toxteth.
RE: Bluecoat School
MORE than three centuries ago the rector of Liverpool, Reverend Robert Styth, and Bryan Blundell, master mariner, founded the Liverpool Blue Coat School. more
More info about The Monks Well
The name Monkswell Drive - a typical cul-de-sac of 1930s semis is a reminder of Monkswell House which formerly stood on the site. Turn the corner from North Drive into Mill Lane and you will see the sandstone cross from which the old house got its name: the 'Monks Well' itself.
Baines's Lancashire Directory of 1825 says of Wavertree: "Here is a well at which charitable contributions were anciently collected, bearing the following monkish inscription in antique letters - Qui non dat quod Habet, Doemon Infra Ridet. Anno 1414. Which may be thus freely translated: - He who here does nought bestow, The Devil laughs at him below". Moss's Liverpool Guide of 1796 had gone further, suggesting that "an old monastic looking house" alongside had been "inhabited by some religious order, who might thus request alms towards their support"
The well is undoubtedly ancient. It used to stand further back from the road, at a point where pure water bubbled out from the sandstone of Olive Mount. In the masonry beneath the original cross was an archway, under which a few steps gave access to the stone cistern or chamber containing the water. The Wavertree Enclosure Act of 1768 referred to "the through tunnel, channel or stone gutter, lately laid and made ... to carry and convey water from the said well or basin into another ... lately also made, erected and built, in the highway or road adjoining". Apparently the owner of Lake House had objected to the villagers walking over his lawn to draw water!
Legends about the Monks Well abound, and most of the stories involve secret passageways: leading either to Childwall 'Abbey' (which never was an abbey) or Childwall Priory (which was a farmhouse near the present Fiveways junction) or the Bishop Eton Monastery (which was only established in the 1840s) or even the Rose Brewery in Picton Road! It seems likely that such legends were sparked off by Victorian children, who spotted the inlet tunnel already referred to, and the outlet pipe which would have channelled the surplus water into Wavertree Lake alongside (where the children's playground is today).
In 1834 the Select Vestry - the predecessor of the Local Board of Health - installed an iron pump to lift the water from the underground chamber. They also ordered the Constable to lock the pump during church service times on Sundays, it having been found that "women met at the well when drawing water, and stayed gossiping there". With the arrival of piped water in the 1850s, the well became redundant, and the legends began to grow! Late in the nineteenth century a stone cross - inscribed 'Deus dedit, Homo bebit' (God gives, Man drinks) in accordance with local tradition - was added to the base.
By 1932, the site was owned by a building firm - Messrs David Roberts, Son & Co. - who had bought and demolished Monkswell House to make way for an estate of semi-detached houses. The survival of the Well appeared to be threatened, but, recognising its historic value, the firm presented it to the City Council. The structure became one of Liverpool's first Listed 'Buildings' in 1952.
The above text is an extract from 'Discovering Historic Wavertree' by Mike Chitty
http://www.dhwav.btinternet.co.uk/
Marie, You seem to have taken to Wavertree like a duck to water!
Hahahaha, the history about Monks Well as like very interesting, but I cannot understand somethings about it. Its a place a bit misterious and woke up my interesting about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
I like this area too much, coz Its very calm, are not sounds, are shops, pubs, a lot of buses, ...
Bilbao has got very tall building, and u have not got space. Its good to live in a house, not in a flat, with ur vital space!! and could listen the birds in the morning... and I am fascinating with the green areas near me, The Mistery, Childwall Woods, National Wildflower, ...
It proves how bad arse my homeland Is.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
This proves that we are good persons in this area. Because we have adopted Max and even we leave him to live here!! :PDT_Piratz_26:Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
I am adopted? :eek:
Was a joke Max!! adopted/admit in this area... I am sorry if u are hungry! was a joke, not more!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
If I was adopted then I would want feeding by my adopted parent.:PDT10
No, no, no!! We (Wavertree´s people) adopted u in our area!!! :PDT10Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
Where is possible to find more info about the Monks Well? Thanx!!
Marie, the best way to find out more about Wavertree's History is to join the Wavertree Society:Quote:
Originally Posted by marie
http://www.liverpool.ndo.co.uk/wavsoc/
You can also buy their book
http://www.liverpool.ndo.co.uk/wavsoc/books/page2.html
The society have also produced a one page brief history of the Monks' Well which was re-published in their Wavertree Spotlights series Volume 2 1995-1999.
Thanx Taffy!! Its a fantastic and mistery history.Quote:
Originally Posted by taffy
TWO more city communities have been selected for week-long crackdowns on anti-social behaviour. Plans were unveiled yesterday to take truants off the streets and blitz rundown streets in the Picton area of Wavertree and the Greenbank district, near Sefton Park. more
The yobs by Greenbank hang outside the Tesco mostly.
They get chased away by Security then come back or run Into choices away from Security.
This area by Smithdown Rd is in the parish of Mossley Hill Parish Church, St Matthew and St James. Time for the congregation to pray for the poor souls of these youths.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
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Originally Posted by Kev
Sad indeed, Kev and Taffy. . . :(Quote:
Originally Posted by taffy
Chris
For those who wonder what this Greenbank area looks like, see photos below. The corner junction site bounded by Smithdown rd and Greenbank Rd has been redeveloped into a small shopping area. Whilst across Mossley Ave, a new school has been built. This is Greenbank school which replaced two earlier schools on the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
Kensington-based culture organisation Metal has handed its £400,000 proposal for Edge Hill railway station to Liverpool council.
The interchange, believed to be the country’s oldest station, was named the city’s 20th biggest eyesore in last year’s report.
But Metal’s artistic director Ceri Hand hopes it will reopen the redundant building on platforms one and two as a contemporary international arts centre by next April. more
I read it about Wavertree...
ok this has been buggin me, my parents and my mates in wavertree...every now and then theres a high pitched whistling sound sounds like screeching but its not. it goes on for a few seconds, stops then carries on a couple times more then doesnt happen for like 6 hours. its not the trains coz i hear the trains screeching all the time by the tech park coz i live near it.
listen out for it its doin my ead in
I can not listen anything since Picton Clock... Does anyone know what is it??
Tunnel Road: Banners have been up for a while (and a small office), for a new housing area around the old Church...just by the bridge (the bridge was being repaired last week aswell).
'Joshua Place' is to be the developments' name. I've no idea if the Church is to remain.
The church is going I believe.
Father Martin Daniel's used to be the chap in charge of that church not too long ago. About 3 years ago when St Peter's Woolton changed their service to make it more 'happy clappy', people decided to up sticks and worship in that church on Tunnel Road.
It looks a mess from the outside, but I would love to have a nose inside, if only to take pictures before it is demolished.
Is this the Church? St Cyprian?
http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/13...8_b77711df.jpg
As far as I am aware that particular church is in the video links I have posted look down the daily post list for the edge lane developments and it specifically mentions that church in the video.
Kat
:)
so, no its not going to be demolished.
The houses around the church would be more appropriate to demolish.
No, not that church...that at least is a Listed Building. The one I'm on about is in the middle of Tunnel Road, right next to the bridge over the railway. It has a couple of murals on it...one is of the Powerpuff Girls.
Thanx. For curiosity, are any protestant church in Wavertree or Childwall areas?