Nice one Brian.
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Nice one Brian.
Another great Charles Dixon study,this is entitled the "Carmania Sinking the Cap Trafalgar" and shows the cunard White Star liner delivering the coup de gras to the German armed merchant Cruiser on the 14th of September 1914. A brilliant painting conveying the horrors of ship to ship combat,
BrianD
Hi Brian, excellent painting of the Carmania, I think it was in the Battle of the Falklands.
Dont want to be a smart ass but it was the Cunard Steamship Company that owned her. Cunard White Star didnt excist until 1934 when Cunard took White Star over. It was Cunard White Star until 1960/1 when the last one in service, the Britannic went to the breakers.
Then it became the Cunard Line Ltd.
Cheers
Brian
Two utterly different recruiting posters, the one calling for more men for the US Navy and the other ,clearly calling for Aryan madchen to join the ranks of Hitlers air traffic controllers.
BrianD
Two more great posters, Brian. The US Navy posters were among the best produced anywhere. Luftwaffe Nachrichtenhelferin were more likely to be employed as switchboard operators.
Hi Malcolm,
Good to hear from you, you are right about the American propaganda and recruitment artwork, they were utilising the the best of the admen the Madison Avenue could provide, here are three more samples of the admens work,
BrianD
That centre poster of Admiral "Bull" Halsey looks more like a billboard advertising a Hollywood movie. Never-the-less, I would have found the navy nurse more attractive as an inducement to join up.
Winter Convoys.
These two pictures ,by British war artists, give us a small idea of what things were like in those far off days, the first picture ,by James Morris shows an incoming convoy to Murmansk. They have just come out of thestormy Barents Sea and are in the calmer waters of the coast ,but here they are at great risk from enemy bombers and U-Boats,this is a time of great tension and uncertainty.
The second picture ,by Peter Whalley, shows a convoy escort armed with the odd looking CAP, the Cable and Parachute device,The two rockets were shot in the air with a thin steel cable between them.Then each blossomed a parachute and floated down. The cable between them was meant to entangle attacking planes. The weapon was not very effective,but it gave the seamen the feeling that they were fighting back,
BrianD
Good paintings there Brian. on the one on the right. look at the sky it is a perfecy reproduction of the real thing. wish I could paint like that.
Never-the-less, I would have found the navy nurse more attractive as an inducement to join up.
I would hope so Mlac.
I wouldn't have got a whiff of it, Cap'n. Those girls were all commissioned officers.
Acknowledgement---"Various War 2 Book's"
------.THE FIRST SHOT OF WW2 was fired from the German battleship Schleswig Holstein which was on an official visit to Poland and berthed in Danzig harbour. At 4.30 am on September 1, 1939, the ship moved slowly down the Port Canal and took up position opposite the WESTERPLATTE (An area containing Polish troop barracks and workshops) and at 4.47 am, the order to 'Fire' was given. World War II had begun. Seven days later the Westerplatte Garrison surrendered.
Reg.
Three very different styles of propaganda, the first is a Soviet political cartoon showing the powerful allies united against a ragbag of fascist powers. The second is a recruiting poster for the British armed forces . The third one is a shocker, designed to arouse hatred of a wicked enemy. They were too!!!
BrianD
Hi Reg,
here is the old German battleship Schleswig-Holstein. She was classified as a training ship when she fired the first shots of WW11. This sketch was by the German war artist Adolf Bock and he has managed to capture the savagery of that first dreadful shot that rang around the world,
BrianD
Great examples of their type,Brian!Quote:
Originally Posted by brian daley
Two pieces of Italian fascist wartime propaganda, very well executed and expensively done. Old Mussolini was so very vain.......................but he made the trains run on time !
BrianD
And we can't forget that WWII was the real start of women in the workplace - the famous Rosie the Riveter... but there were others -
http://www.library.northwestern.edu/.../ww1646-48.jpg
http://www.library.northwestern.edu/.../ww1647-23.jpg
http://www.library.northwestern.edu/.../ww0207-40.jpg
And some US anti-Nazi propaganda --
http://www.library.northwestern.edu/.../ww1647-78.jpg
...and, since this is a ships at war thread....:)
http://www.library.northwestern.edu/.../ww1645-35.jpg
All of the above from a collection a NorthWestern University
Brilliant stuff AZ gila, this stuff is pure gold. I wonder if anyone else out there has any wartime ephemera; get it out and post it it if you have,
BrianD
How about this one, Women in wartime. World War One.
]My Grandad worked at Vickers shipyard in Barrow in Furness and died in 1914, his wife , my Grandma, started working in Vickers shipyard. the dress they wore had the V for Vickers on the front. Vickers built warships and Merchant ships for the war effort.
My Grandma is the one on the end on the right.
I have been trying to do my families history and I found this photo at my 99 year old Aunty`s house.
Brian,
are you sure they are nurses? They look like a load of lady freemasons, you could be done for breaking the code of secrecy,
BrianD
Not sure what the job was, but it was at Vickers Shipyard. I dont think she was a riveter or Blacksmith.
Nice one guys.
On the 4th of April 1945, at Ohdruf, the U.S 4th Armoured Division of Pattons Third Army found the first concentration camp discovered by the Western Allies. Although small ,Ohdruf was a foretaste of the horrors yet to be revealed. Patton vomited when he saw it. General Walker XX Corps forced the Burgomaster of Ohdruf and his wife to tour the camp. Afterwards they went home and hanged themselves.
On 11th of April, 4th Armoured discovered one of the largest concentration camps. Buchenwald, this was more horrific than the former because the former commandants wife ,Ilsa Koch,used the tattooed skin of inmates to make lampshades.
The pictures shown here were taken at several of the camps and we can see in some of them the guards,male and female, being forced to bury the dead. People who lived near the camps were forced to look at their regimes handiwork..Eisenhower ordered the Allied cameramen to make as much film and take as many photo's as they could because " at some time in the future, some b*st*rd will say this never happened!" That time has arrived, that is why I am posting these pictures,
BrianD
This little lapel badge is from Germany,it is a forget -me-not,and it is worn to remember all of those who died in the concentration camps. As some one mentioned on another thread ,it was not just Jews who died at the hands of the Nazis, Trades Unionist's , homosexuals, Gipsy's, the mentally ill , Freemasons ,Jehovahs Witnesses and many others . I wear that little badge everyday in memory of those who lost their lives , look out for it, there a many of us who wear it proudly,
BrianD
Think I'd rather have the late trains!:)Quote:
Originally Posted by brian daley
Hi Brian
Ritchie B was telling me some of the things you guys got upto. Amazing. He told me the missing gory details. Nice one mate.:handclap:
Well timed Brian,with all this talk of the B.N.P.,and the usual claims that this slaughter,never really happened,and it is/was a fabrication by the Jewish controlled media! People forget that 5/6 million Poles died too,many in camps!Quote:
Originally Posted by brian daley
Very good.:handclap:Quote:
Originally Posted by brian daley
Total Resistance, Ukrania, Autumn 1941.
The first picture is by the soviet war artist Viktor Safronov ,called "Hard Times" ,he shows the Ukranian partisans making off with their wounded . Capture by the Germans would most certainly result in death and so on they must march. It is interesting to note that the painting is reminiscent of the religious paintings of the pieta, quite odd in an atheistic state.
The second painting is by Viktor Puzirkov and it is called "The Black Sea People", a heroic study representing the unity of action of the forces against the fascist foe. In the vanguard are a marine, matelot and a soldier, depicting the united stand against the invader,
BrianD
If this thread is still about warships and ships at war, then I submit the following:
The Portland built Liberty ship Jean Nicolet's merchant crew, naval armed guard and military passengers were subjected to
brutal treatment, unspeakable horror and torture after their vessel was torpedoed and shelled by the Japanese submarine I-8,
Captain Ariizumi, commanding. She was attacked on July2, 1944, in the Indian Ocean.
The 41 people aboard the Jean Nicolet lowered the four lifeboats and four rafts, and all were successfuly embarked in them.
The I-8 surfaced and shelled the ship. Captain Ariizumi ordered the lifeboats and rafts alongside the sumarine. Captain David
Martin Nilsson was taken aboard and ordered below, into the submarine; he was never seen or heard of again. The balance of
the crew, armed guard and passengers were ordered to board the submarine. Several crew members, in the confuusion and
darkness, pulled away from the submarine in a small doughnut raft.
The Americans had their hands tied with wire behind their backs. They were then made to run the foredeck gauntlet of the
submarine's crew. The Japanese bayonetted, clubbed and beat the Americans as they ran the gauntlet. Those who survived
were thrown overboard. Before the massacre was completed a plane was spotted approaching. The submarine dove to escape
attack, leaving those American still alive to fend for themselves in the water. About fifteen minutes after the submarine submerged,
the plane flew over the survivors, dropping rubber dinggies, life jackets, food and water. Within nine hours a total of 23 survivors
were recued. The casualty list was 31 merchant crew, 19 Naval Armed Guard and 27 passengers lost.
The I-8, under the command of Captain Shinohara was sunk on March 30, 1945, by USS Morrison and USS Stockton. Presumably
there were no survivors. Captain Ariizumi's fate is unknown, but had he survived the war, he could have been a prime candidate
for trial as a war criminal.
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All of the above account is taken from The Quarterdeck, a publication of the Columbia River Maritime Museum, in an article on
the fate of Oregon built ships during the Second World War.
Hi Malcolm, thank you for that piece, you have thrown a light on an area we see very little of nowadays,Japanese war crimes. In answer to your question re the nature of the thread, I have ben asked a few times to widen the the scope to include all aspects of warfare. Your contribution today helps to do just that, please keep them coming as I know that you are aways factual and interesting,
BrianDl
Two more studies by the American war artist nton Otto Fischer. He got most of his material when working in the U.S. Coast Guard and his pictures were all from first hand experience. The first scene is of the firing of a "Y Gun",this device fire two depth charges simultaneously and were meant to straddle the U-boats. They were used with some success but the second picture shows that the wolf packs were more than capable of wreaking damage to the convoys. At night they ran on the surface at speeds of up to 18 knots and caused havoc amongst the slow moving merchant men. We can see the crew pulling away from their stricken vessel. This series of paintings was called Night Action ,Winter North Atlantic 1942.
BrianD
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Had a wander down Regent rd,and saw these retired navy ships,being broken up for scrap! I couldn't find out, or see, what their names were,( dreaded health & safety,he said!) but possibly,G.D. took some pic's of these,when they were docked on the other side of the river?
(dont know why these pic's didn't load properly?)
And this is how they ended up!
Why cant they save one, and then use it for traing kids, it would keep them off the streets.
Or even helping to scrap them,reckon they would be pretty good!!:unibrow:Quote:
Originally Posted by captain kong
I hate seeing warships getting broken up. Seems to hit very hard for some reason. I think they deserve to be sunk. Going down like the warriors they were.
I have posted a few pictures of convoys and some of the tragedies and victories. Tonight we look at some of the unsung heroes, the convoy sailors. The two pictures below are by Canadian war artists,the one on the left is by Jack Nichols and shows the uncomfortable reality of life below decks. Being in a constant state of alert , alot of men never changed out of their deck clothes and life jackets so one can imagine the smell in the mess deck. Personal hygiene took second place to personal safety in such conditions.
Tom Wood painted the second picture in which he shows the Royal Navy sailors climbing into their foul weather gear. This suit had a great disadvantage in that if you fell in the water in it the weight of it would pull you under. Freeze or Drown? Not good choices,
BrianD
Nice one Brian.
Thanks to Samsette for that piece! Hope a great many people read it, and remember!!!! Crazy to think that America and it's allies have also helped Japan become such a wealthy , (and arrogent) nation that it is today!
That reminded me of a poem written by a crewman on the USS TRIGGER, submarine, then lost with all hands.
I'M THE GALLOPING GHOST OF THE JAPANESE COAST
You don't hear of me and my crew.
But just ask any man off the coast of Japan
If he knows of the Trigger Maru.
I look sleek and slender alongside my tender
With others like me at my side,
But we'll tell you a story of battle and glory,
As enemy waters we ride.
I've been stuck on a rock, felt the depth charge's shock,
Been north to a place called Attu,
and I've sunk me two freighters atop the equator
Hot work, but the sea was cold blue.
I've cruised close inshore and carried the war
to the Empire Island Honshu,
While they wire Yokahama I could see Fujiyama,
So I stayed, to admire the view.
When we rigged to run silently, deeply I dived,
And within me the heat was terrific.
My men pouring sweat, silent and yet
Cursed me and the whole ****ed Pacific.
Then destroyers came sounding and depth charges pounding
My submarine crew took the test.
Far in that far off land there are no friends on hand,
To answer a call of distress.
I was blasted and shaken (some damage I've taken),
my hull bleeds and pipe lines do, too
I've come in from out there for machinery repair,
And a rest for me and my crew.
I got by on cool nerve and in silence I served,
Though I took some hard knocks in return,
One propeller shaft sprung and my battery's done,
But the enemy ships I saw burn.
I'm the galloping ghost of the Japanese coast,
You don't hear of me and my crew.
But just ask any man off the coast of Japan,
If he knows of the Trigger Maru.
USS Trigger was lost with all hands during her twelfth patrol, on March 26, 1945.
Navy The US Navy
Type Submarine
Class Gato
Pennant 237
Built by Mare Island Navy Yard (Vallejo, California, U.S.A.)
Ordered
Laid down 1 Feb 1941
Launched 22 Oct 1941
Commissioned 30 Jan 1942
Lost 28 Mar 1945
Loss position 32.16N, 132.05E (See a map)
History USS Trigger (Cdr. David Rickart Connole) was most likely sunk by Japanese aircraft, the Japanese frigate Mikura (offsite link) and the Japanese corvettes Kaibokan No.33 and Kaibokan No.59