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She has also always stood up to the yobs who have moved into the area
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Little coward yobs!Quote:
She has also always stood up to the yobs who have moved into the area
She sounds like a marvellous woman Howie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howie
That is a novel idea. I thought it was about getting the infrastructure, standard of accomodation and economy up to date. Silly me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpool_SLP
Is Tony Blair going to do that in Liverpool 8 because it need regenerating?Quote:
I've been through it and know fully well what it's about. Remember the Jewish ghettoes in the 1940's the Jews (the target social group) were impoverished forced into rundown parts of cities, isolated and the downward cycle of deprevation continued, it was planned, then those ghettoes were cleared out, the people sent away to concentration or work camps, these neighbourhoods were then flattened or in the case of Warsaw (after the Ghetto uprising) bombed by the luftwaffe and attacked by tanks.
The UK has the oldest, pokiest, least energy efficient hosing stock in the western world. There are better ways to create a large construction industry.Quote:
Up in North East the 'Going for Growth' project proposed by the council in 2000/2001 had plans to demolish housing that had only been built 5/7 years earlier, it's simple capitalism destory and rebuild, like in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia and Iraq, you destroy buildings and then rebuild them you create profit for corporations.
I agree in demolishing all those old energy inefficient houses.Quote:
Here in Liverpool it's division, individualism and selling your community out for your 12 pieces of silver. We don't hear about the victory of a community group or the collective fight back, we hear of individuals, the named homeowners usually middle class (Liz Pascoe - Edge Lane, Nina Edge - Welsh Streets) etc. The working class tenant activists don't get the headlines, don't get the support or respect, don't get our letters published in the Echo, what we get is contempt, police harassment, threats and abuse, in short the iron heel upon our face.
I would disagree with that.Quote:
For me it's never been about bricks and mortar, it's been about community and people, which is about a shared belonging, it's about respect and acceptance by your neighbours, it's where you do look out for one another which is an alien concept to the middle class.
Disgusting. Those people could have been living in proper houses and not pay a fortune in gas for heating.Quote:
I was part of community fightback which saved 60 houses on the Pinehurst estate back in 1998, we also saved hundreds of houses from demolition in Norris Green, similar to Boot houses on the estate action area, they upgraded and the council (despite wanting them flattened) received an award for their improvements.
He thinks that new communities are soulless and the people uncaring, and only old houses in working class communities make caring people. How strange.Quote:
Given the choice between a poor house in a community I know, where people still look out for one another and one with all the modern conveniences in a strange neighbourhood I know what I prefer,
In the 1920-30s Norris Green was regarded as a soulless out of town estate. Now it is Dodge City.Quote:
I've actually had the choice. A nice council house in a working class village (ooh the country, the middle class idyll) and our former Boot house in Norris Green I know which I preferred.
Many of those damp, pokey, energy inefficient homes should have gone years ago.Quote:
We weren't given a choice tolerate the 'stooge' (protected by council and police) anti-social tenant, drug dealer threatening our family, wearing us down with constant rows and noise or move out. We lost our friends, neighbours and everything we knew. When we moved back 18months later the estate was already starting to be demolished, we even saw our family home demolished.
It is? Putting people in superior accommodation is a class war?Quote:
I've kept in touch with a lot other working class tenant activists across Merseyside and beyond. In short it's a class war...
The high rises were too expensive to maintain. Well many of them were. They were not suited to the class of people who they put in them.Quote:
What about the High Rise Tower blocks? The forgotten battle for tenants to get their homes upgraded, who were lied to, misled (Moderate Labour council in 1992) and ultimately forced out of them and dispersed.
Do you mean the government has an agenda to move working class people from one working class area to another and each time give them superior cheaper to run homes as well? I never. How disgusting!Quote:
It's never been about the condition of the housing, that's a complete ruse, it's about the class (or socio-economics) who live in them.
If you don't like all this improving of the quality of life of working class people, then go and buy your own house in war zone.
I don't think it's a conspiracy theory or some new wave of social cleansing. It's only logical that working class housing will often be older and of a poorer quality than other housing. Not sure how Jews in Poland fit in with this - I mean, it's not like our local authorities are shepherding Liverpool residents into death camps is it? Yes, there are issues on house valuations and offers, etc, but I think your comparisons there were a bit extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpool_SLP
You named two middle-aged home-owners fighting to keep their homes - surely if the council/government were only attacking working class homes, this would never have been an issue in the first place?
They're of better quality than the crap they put up now!Quote:
Originally Posted by snappel
For one, these houses wern't built to finincial constraints as experianced today. Also they didn't have the government interfereing in how things turn out unlike what we are experiancing today! However, I do think that the likes of Lake Street in Anfield needed to come down as they were literally to small and too narrow. I wonder if you could have spread your arms out and touched both sides of the house?
Btw; With Edge Lane in doubt, what's happening to the Welsh Streets? is there any liklihood that the houses will be refurbished?
THE country’s top housing minister today told Welsh Street protesters – you have lost the argument.
Housing minister Baroness Andrews spoke out as she officially launched the new Clevedon Park estate in Toxteth, earmarked for former residents.
She said housing demolition opponents would be won over when they saw the modern flats and homes built to replace ageing terraces.
But campaigners today hit back, saying the need to refurbish Victorian streets was stronger than ever due to rising house prices.The ECHO revealed yesterday that the first residents have moved into Clevedon Park, where 105 of 107 new homes will be filled by families from the neighbouring Welsh Streets.
Baroness Andrews, who was raised in a small terraced house in south Wales, said: “People tell me they are dancing for joy because they can see all the ideas discussed for so long finally coming to reality.
“It has been a slow process, but it makes it easier for everyone if they can see what the new houses look like and how much better they are. continues....
I have lived in the same Welsh
Street for over 60 years and having worked as a volunteer street rep. for over 5 years on regeneration of the Princes Park area, I can tell you that the
residents can't wait to move into new homes.We are fed up with all the hype about what lovely houses these are, put about by the so-called Welsh Street
Homes Group, many of whose original, very few, supporters have now bought & moved into new properties on Clevedon Park, leaving only 3 residents objecting to
the proposals, who all live in Kelvin Grove and DO NOT represent the Welsh Street residents
THE FACTS ARE : 11 streets are to be demolished from one
side of Kelvin Grove to Admiral Street and new housing being built on the site for local residents,including local shops.
The remaining Welsh Streets-
Dovey,Teilo & Elwy, houses will be refurbished,together with the streets off Windsor Street down to Upper Warwick Street.
The Community will NOT be
split up as suggested by WSHG opposition group,who have only lived in the area for about 6 years and only became involved about 18 months ago when Nina Edge
became aware that her Kelvin Grove house was part of the demolition plan,who have never been involved with the community and are not known to the
community,most of whom have lived here all their lives.
Many residents had Improvement Grants in the late 70's to have bathrooms built on & general
improvements to their properties,however in spite of numerous damp proofing courses,these houses are in bad shape, now beyond saving and residents want
something better & have been prepared to fight for that.
Originally three of the streets Treborth,Pengwern & South Streets were not included in the
demolition proposals,but residents of those streets fought to be included in the demolition plans and over 200 Welsh Street residents lobbyed the Town Hall
meeting of the Executive Board demanding that these 3 streets be included in proposals and won their case.
One of the main problems in all this has been
the credence & publicity given to the opposition, whilst failing to give a truly balanced view on TV & in newspapers to the views, needs & aspirations of the
wider community.However as conflict sells news,I shouldn't be surprised we have not be given fair & Unbiased media time. Even the Liverpool Echo are failing
to publish any of our correspondence, whilst constantly publishing that of the anti- demolition groups,even now.
Despite all the hype we are now looking
forward to brighter future for the Princes Park Area and it's residents in better homes & surroundings.
Sense at last. The Welsh Streets are not wonderful examples of architecture atQuote:
Originally Posted by welstres
all. They are terraced houses. Emergency houses to house people quickly in the 1800s. The new homes will be bigger and cheaper to run, and look
better.
All this has been political clap-trap to get at the government for no apparent reason that they are doing a decent job.
I agree 100%!!!!! I hate the british media and I never believe a thing they say, as all they ever report is badQuote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
news and give completely one-sided, negative views on everything. You should always question everything that the media reports as it is always blown out of
proportion and often just blatant lies.
When is it due to begin? I wouldn't mind getting some photos of the streets before they're destroyed.
The map is interactive - just click on theQuote:
Originally Posted by snappel
arrows.
http://www.toxteth.net/maps/liverpool/lpool3d.htm
What made them more
attractive than the average terraced street was that many had wide roads and were tree lined.
What's happening to
Housing?
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/icon/2006/10/353231.jpg
Construction work seems to be taking place on every
corner of Liverpool city centre, tarting up town in time for the Capital of Culture celebrations in 2008. But within easy walking distance of this rich
man's paradise project, squalid homes are being starved of repair money, whilst more than adequate social housing dwellings are torn down. What is the Lib
Dem(olition) council's agenda? Why, profits of course! All the rich newcomers will need somewhere to live, so working class people have to pay with their
homes! But campaigners are fighting back...
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GoodQuote:
Originally Posted by snappel
idea.
These streets are slummy piles of rotten, sh*t-brown, decayed bricks that somehow missed the slum clearances of the 60's and 70's, not the
working class Disneyland of ancient community as portrayed by the heritage brigade from their safe boxes in the suburbs.
Bulldoze them now, its making me
sick looking at them.
CAMPAIGNERS today won a major victory in the battle to save hundreds of homes in Liverpool's Edge Lane. more
This was expected. The CPO was always going to be quashed because it was worded wrong. LLDC are putting a new CPO together, which will more than likely be approved. These campaigners have saved hundreds of homes from demolition so that they can rot for even longer. These houses will never be lived in again, and I have a genuine fear that those houses will still be there in that state, in 2008. What is that going to say to visitors? ' Welcome to Liverpool, the grimey dump that you always thought it was '. The vast majority of people in that area want these houses gone, because their lives are being ruined by the road and the lack of local amenities. This section of Edge Lane is extremely dangerous because of the road and other factors such as squating, rats and anti-social behaviour. I just hope for their sake that the next CPO is approved, and fast!! I am fed up with these people getting in the way of major developments. They have proposed an alternative road scheme which is frankly bizzare and wouldn't improve safety or traffic flow. In their plans the new road would stay in the same position but be widened by [B]taking the front gardens off some houses! Therefore the road would be a matter of inches from the houses and they really think that people are going to live in them then? This has only ever been about saving the houses and nothing else. I would love to see them saved but it can't be done and no-one wants them because of the road and the previously mentioned problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
Anyone know anything about the injunction stopping the edge lane properties from being demoilshed? Can it be overturned?
What's the hold up with the streets in Anfield? Nothing has happened since I last went there! Has there been a spanner dropped or something??
Tell me about it ! :disgust:
It's been that way for so long now.
I think I'm living in Brigadoon here. :rolleyes:
The last I heard, there where houses being demolished but I haven't seen anything as yet. They really need to get going with that area. It has been like that my entire life. I hate travelling through it, it's really depressing. Imagine how local people feel!Quote:
Originally Posted by wallasey
The only thing that I have seen happen is that shop corner (which was patched up with sheet metal) collapse slightly. I wonder if the developers have been sitting on the stadium plans? On City, Warren Bradley was talking about the shared stadium plans yet again in effort to keep the Blues in the city. If he get's his way, then Anfield might not get the go ahead!Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
I know that there are other possibilities for why work has stopped, money being one of them probably, but there might be something in the stadium idea???
LIVERPOOL’S terraced Welsh Streets have been declared free of anthrax deposits, clearing the way for demolition work to start in 2008. more
I know Waterways won't be able to reply to this as he's somehow got himself banned. However, to listen to him forever going on about thicknesses of insulation or not, you'd think that was the only thing that ever mattered and if you're going to use that argument, you'd lose all the fantastic 'terraced' houses on Canning, Huskisson, Percy streets and surrounding areas, Princes Avenue and even all the 30s style on Queens Drive, Menlove and Brodie Avenues with ornamental pots on the roofs and fine footprints etc.
I agree that those built pre war like the flower streets, the bread streets in Dingle and the Welsh streets are small and probably past their sell by dates but there will be a lot of happy memories for many in these and it'll be a wrench for some but a godsend to others if these were to go. One thing is for sure, a sea of new, small characterless little red houses with paper walls isn't always the answer either.
Our house was built in 1878. I wonder with some amusement if it will become an 'historic building' in 70 years time when it will be 200 years old ! )If it's still standing ! :D
Actually, these houses have been renovated to a good standard, but I do wonder just how long they will remain.
5 generations of my family have lived and died in this house but surely the house won't still be here to be passed onto future family members ??
I expect the houses will deteriorate by then.
Just shows you though how the good old houses have stood the test of time and survived two wars ... I couldn't imagine today's modern new builds to be still remaining after more than 100 years.
Ged you are right about the sentimental side of it - there are so many houses like this that have seen generations of the same family.
There are times when I think how I'd like to move, but I can't ever imagine strangers living in my house.
The birthplace of Beatle drummer Ringo Starr could be knocked down and rebuilt brick by brick at the new £65m Museum of Liverpool on the city's waterfront.
The Victorian terrace in Madryn Street, Toxteth, is one of 460 in the area set to be demolished so new homes can be built in their place.
A campaign to save Ringo's birthplace failed after the city council said it had "no historical significance".
National Museums Liverpool said it would be a "hugely popular" feature.
A spokesman for the museums group said: "We are hopeful that we will be able to give a home to the childhood house of Ringo Starr.
"Negotiations are underway with all parties involved, but there are still many details to be worked out."
Ringo Starr lived at the house for about three months before he moved to Admiral Grove, where he lived for about 20 years.
He now lives in Surrey with his wife Barbara Bach. Building work on the museum, which will replace the Museum of Liverpool Life, is expected to be completed in 2008. BBC Liverpool
Only 3 months.
Why bother with It If he was only In that house for that long?
It does seem pretty ridiculous. It's hardly his "childhood home" if he only lived their for 3 months!Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
Yank tourists will still pay to see it, that is what matters.:037:
Arrrrrrrrrrrr, Yankees will pay to see anything.
The museum is free though but I suppose they're here anyway, the tourists, paying into the local economy. Ringo doesn't even want it preserved himself. Shifting it a few miles down the road isn't the same as seeing the community he grew up in, the local pubs and street is it, like John's Mendips, Paul's Forthlin Road or George's house? Ringo spent 20 years in Admiral Grove and that's where he'll be best remembered and the woman who lives there now has it as a shrine to him.
HUNDREDS of Liverpool residents will be forced to sell their homes so they can be bulldozed and replaced.
The government today rubber-stamped four legal orders issued to homeowners in Wavertree, Anfield and Edge Hill, agreeing there is a “compelling need” for the areas to be regenerated.
But anti-demolition campaigners were claiming a small victory after local government minister Ruth Kelly MP asked for more information about some streets in the Picton area of Wavertree.
They hope it could lead to homes in Smithdown Street and Earle Road being saved from the wrecking ball.
Ms Kelly will make a final decision in 21 days. continues....
A mate of mine spoke to Zak recently and he proposes to have the house taken appart and then re-built. Jeeze ! it would look like a poor man's version of Wothering Heights. Especially now Tescoes are going ahead with taking over the Mecca and making it like the one they have in the Swan.
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Originally Posted by Kev
Are these houses between Smithdown Rd and Earle Rd actually in Edge Hill too. I'm sure Max will agree.
Watchdog to probe Prescott demolition scheme
By Charles Clover, Environment Editor
Last Updated: 1:10am BST 09/04/2007
John Prescott's heavily criticised £5 billion scheme to renegerate the inner cities by demolishing thousands of Victorian terrace homes is to be the subject of an official inquiry.
The National Audit Office is to examine the Pathfinder regeneration scheme after Ruth Kelly, the Communities Secretary, last week unleashed the bulldozers on 1,000 terrace homes in Liverpool.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/grap...nprescot09.jpg
Stephen Ord, far right, and residents of Cantsfield St, Liverpool, which
is threatened with demolition under the Pathfinder scheme
By approving compulsory purchase orders for three inner city areas of the city, Miss Kelly has effectively signalled that she will continue with the policy devised by Mr Prescott in the face of opposition from his own Urban Task Force, led by the architect Lord Rogers.
Similar projects are under way in other parts of the North of England and Midlands.
The swathe of Victorian terraces that will be demolished is the largest clearance in Liverpool since the 1960s.
It is the first phase in the city's plans to clear more than 6,800 Victorian and Edwardian terraces, which is more than the Luftwaffe achieved in five years of war.
The Tories said that the compulsory purchase orders would waste millions of public money and condemn the city to looking like a bombsite next year when it is the European Capital of Culture.
The Government maintains that the demolition and replacement with modern housing will bring about economic and environmental improvements for the areas concerned. Alistair Burt, the Conservative housing spokesman, has been notified that the National Audit Office is to examine whether the £1.5 billion being spent on Pathfinder schemes in the North and Midlands over three years is value for money.
He said: "Yards away from the centrepiece of Liverpool's 2008 celebrations, foreign tourists will now be able to walk around inner city areas in the midst of clearance. It is a programme so centrally planned and controlled that it is not taking account of developments such as rising prices in these areas and growing demand for homes of this kind.
"There is a risk that in the years to come we will look back at the enormous waste and ask why something was not done sooner."
Some of the areas where the houses are due to be demolished are still 80 per cent occupied pitching the Government into a potential battle with those unwilling to move. There have already been successful moves in the High Court to block evictions.
Residents of another area due to be demolished when compulsory orders are served, the Welsh Streets, decked their streets in daffodils in commemoration of Liverpool's 800th anniversary. Stephen Ord, a civil servant who spent £80,000 on a house that is now to be demolished, said: "It is complete madness. It is a total waste of money to turn buildings worth £53 million that are economically viable into landfill.
"The council is saying the reason these terraces need to be demolished is that they are too small. Every single one of the homes planned to replace them is smaller than the ones that currently exist."
Dr Peter Brown, of Merseyside Civic Society, said: "Miss Kelly is allowing clearance of the communities she is supposed to protect. People need to wake up to the alarming precedent this sets.
"A Pathfinder has unwittingly become an asset-stripper's charter, developing techniques which potentially leave nowhere safe from legalised land grab."
Cath Green, the assistant director for neighbourhoods and housing at Liverpool council, said Miss Kelly's approval of demolitions was welcome "because it means we can move forward with investment that will improve the environment and increase housing choice".
Source: Telegraph.co.uk
I just hope they don't create any more estates like the one at the top of Earl Road or the houses that back onto Spekeland Road or much of the new housing association build in L8. In other words, if it looks 'corpy', they have probaly got it wrong. Great for people who will live in modern homes but less good for social cohesion because no one from outside the area will want to live there, and ten or so years down the line the chances are the tinning up will start. First one, then another. One will be burnt down etc. This pattern will always repeat itself until the city stops creating developments that only one particular section of society is shunted into. People who live in such areas deserve better. They deserve a house they can buy if they want to and a house they can readily sell if they choose to move elsewhere.
RESIDENTS will spend the next two weeks in limbo as they await a final decision on the future of their homes.
Two terraced roads in the Picton area of Wavertree have been left out of a legal order forcing hundreds of Liverpool residents to sell their homes so they can be bulldozed and rebuilt.
The compulsory purchase order (CPO), covering parts of Wavertree, Edge Hill and Anfield, was approved by government minister Ruth Kelly last week.
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Mosque and residents in bid to save derelict houses
Jul 10 2007
by Liza Williams, Liverpool Daily Post
A COMMUNITY is fighting to save terraced houses from the bulldozer.
Hatherley Street Residents Group and the Al Rahma Mosque in Toxteth want to buy houses in the street, which are mostly bricked-up and derelict – and redevelop them.
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And how long would these privatly done up homes last? what standard would be reached and how long would it be before they cry foul and ask for council assistance in doing them up? why should the tax payer foot the bill for private housing stock. no parking areas no where for children to play except in the middle of the road where they end up smashing somebodys window. Houses done up dont last long you can only get so much out of a building. I mean what about things like thermal comfort levels? carbon emissions, all these regulations have to be met. dam coursing central heating new water supply new electrics, new roofing timbers (if rotten) and most would have to be treated for fire regulations.
Kat
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The only large amount of local tax payers money I'm aware of being used was the couple of million pounds that Liverpool City Council put up to bail out the so far unsuccessful Edge Lane project when they got their sums wrong.
Theres alot of private investment going into edge lane area. The council may well have got its sums wrong but its attracting investment partnerships. Have a look at the edge lane video its out on the net somewhere.
I am not sure why the figures where wrong or whom is to blame, but, the council is thinking of the future, private investment should be encouraged because without it, it leads to deprevation, poor health, people living in damp squallied conditions, poor heating, low thermal value, buildings no longer fit for modern day purpose.
kat