You are right, Marie.Quote:
Originally Posted by marie
They are the railway stations.
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You are right, Marie.Quote:
Originally Posted by marie
They are the railway stations.
Thanks for replay, I supose it, but I am not sure coz Its not usually for me, see two stations or more, in the same city.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
One of the railway tracks go thorough my street. Only a wall and fence In between and sometimes when I got train to somewhere like Warrington or London I went past my house on the train.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
The Olive Mount community centre is on those, we were up there a few weeks ago and nearly everyone who lives in them must have one of my books ha ha - they're a bit posher up there and had more money to spend. I done loads in.
Thanx u very much!! What is the second photo? Its a building with red wall and a circle.Quote:
Originally Posted by taffy
U are a writer, Ged? Sorry but I cannot understand "one of ur books".Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
The red walls with circular holes are part of the entrance to a small linear park. A couple of more photos attached.Quote:
Originally Posted by marie
A few more photos for Marie of Wavertree
Boss piccies Taff :handclap:
Thank u Taffy for the photos. High St its near me coz I am just in the the rotunda, between this High St. and Childwall Rd. Opposite the Gala Bingo. Next to Mill Lane. I thinks, the comercial streets are Chilwall Rd., High St., Woolton, ...
Which is the motive that somes streets are called lanes? For example, Penny Lane, Mill Lane, Lace Lane, Pits Lane, ...
Lanes are the streets that have been there for hundreds of years.Quote:
Originally Posted by marie
Thank u, was only a curiosity. There are a lot of X Lane St. in this area.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteH
I can see in the map Victoria Park and Wavertree Green, but are not in green, are in the same colour of the houses. Are a park?
I supposse it!! :) I never go there, but I can see somes photos of the house, is near, in a new street, are not in somes maps still (for example google maps).Quote:
Originally Posted by taffy
Until 1895, Wavertree was not part of Livepool acorring to Wiki.
So I don't have to be a Scouser.:PDT10
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavertree
I was born in 1979 mon petit neighbor!! :PDT10Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
I was born In 1985.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Quite so!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
Of course in the days of Wavertree District Council , its writ went as far as Druid's Cross Rd and Rose Lane, both now in L18. There were many arguments with the then Allerton township council as to who should repair Rose Lane. In the end a government decree set the border down the middle of the road and both Councils had to pay for the upkeep. Same applied to Green Lane. The Wikipedia article perpetuates the myth about the donor of the "Mystery" being unknown. Beware of Wikipedia !!
I know, I was read it in ur myspace! lol! U see, U are mon petit neighbor! :PDT11Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
In wikipedia u can read too much to errors. Its a data base of normal people who like write it. I do not like too much.Quote:
Originally Posted by taffy
So If Rose Lane was as far as Wavertree went then Is most of Mossley Hill Wavertree?Quote:
Originally Posted by taffy
Most Of Mossley Hill has been argued to be Toxteth too though On Toxteth.net but that was when It was only the ancient park I think.
Somes questions...
Which are the sub-areas of Wavertree?
Is Penny Lane a sub-area of Wavertree?
Is Sefton Park in Wavertree?
I try to find a map, with the differents sub-areas of the distric, the limits, and its names, but I cannot find it.
Thanx u!
That area used to be a petrol station at one point!!Quote:
Originally Posted by taffy
I think I remember that, I remember those flats being built and the fences around the site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jona76
So... I can find petrol in the garden? :PDT11Quote:
Originally Posted by Jona76
Just don't go and light a bonfire else you may get more than you bargained for :eek: :)Quote:
Originally Posted by marie
Nearest Petrol Station I know Is the Total Station on Smithdown Road.
Anyone can replay me? Only are a Pub´s Tour Experts? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by marie
Penny Lane Is Mossley Hill.
Sergent Pepper's Bistro Is On the Wavertree Side though.
Sefton Park Is part of Toxteth, Aigburth and some of Mossley Hill.
Thanx u!! :handclap:Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
Are not sub-areas? Wavertree its too big, I was thinking that maybe are others sub-areas, for example, Wavertree north, etc.
Mossley Hill spreads over a few townships including Wavertree, Toxteth,Garston and Allerton. It has no real defined boundary assuming you exclude the newly named Mossley Hill city ward which is really Aigburth in disguise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
The Sefton Park area is a sub division of Toxteth and was administered from what is now called Toxteth Town Hall. It includes part of Mossley Hill. SS Matthew and James Church Mossley hill is actually in Garston township but its school on Bridge Rd was in Wavertree township. Similarly the Wavertree Town Hall administered all the area in Wavertree township from Earle Rd to distant Druid's Cross rd
Marie, people these days think in terms of districts as related to modern day postal delivery codes. So they think of Wavertree as L15 for example. Historically speaking this is incorrect as post codes are a relatively new invention but it's a useful rough guide. It's on the boundaries of post code districts that confusion arises. There are sub districts but these tend to be in other post code districts so get forgotten. It's a common problem throughout Liverpool.Quote:
Originally Posted by marie
The biggest problem with defining these boundaries, I have found to be in my own area. Toxteth, Dingle and Shorfiefields ? As Taffy has said, it has a lot to do with the 'relatively new post codes.'
The Dingle is the area I still put on my 'snail mail.'
Ok, I understand. Only I see the map and... its very very big!!
Here you go Max. Here's the full extent of "God" like Wavertree. Map scanned from "Discovering Historic Wavertree" by Mike Chitty and published by the Wavertree Society. ISBN 0-9536441-0-3. Well worth buying Marie by the way. Map based on 1826 Sherriff's map of Liverpool's environs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
You can see Most of Smithdown Rd , then called Smithdown Lane is not in Wavertree but rather Toxteth despite its modern L15 post code
Max - your starter for 10.
Where WAS the original pond of Wavertree (which means meeting place by a tree) :PDT_Piratz_26:
I know I know I know I knowQuote:
Originally Posted by Jona76
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Originally Posted by Kev
He is googling. :)
No, if it what I'm thinking, the info is already on Yo! :unibrow:Quote:
Originally Posted by shytalk
It's now a playground! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jona76
Just by the Monks Well.
Thanks for the map Taff, but wasn't part of Smithdown only Toxteth when It was the Ancient Park only?
No not really. The boundary shown on the map are those of the Wavertree Council. So when the Smithdown Rd area became developed (last quarter 19th C), those properties one side of the boundary paid their rates to Wavertree Town Hall and those the other side to Toxteth Town Hall. So the boundaries had a very modern meaning not simply an ancient one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
I have to say this confused me the first time I looked that this problem and before I was aware of the correct Wavertree/ Toxteth boundaries. This was because in looking up families living between Smithdown Road and Garmoyle Rd in the 1920s, I saw they said they lived in Sefton Park. This was because of course Sefton Park had been a district of Toxteth. I doubt whether they ever thought of themselves as living in Toxteth but they certainly believed they lived in Sefton Park and not Wavertree. This was confirmed by entries in the Gore's Liverpool Directory of the period.
Of course where the current Aldi shop is on Smithdown rd, there was once Sefton Park School, so named beacuse it was in the Sefton Park district. The nursery next door still calls itself Sefton Park Nursery.
Hope this helps to clear things up in your mind.