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03-15-2011
Ronijayne

My Uncles used to go for a drink in a pub they called the Criterion but I don't believe that was the real name. It may have been on Admiral Street. It was by Princes Park gates for sure by the Welsh houses. I was about 5 or 6 so it is stretching my memory. Anyone ever hear of it?

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I took many pics in the Grapes years ago. I must scan them and put them up here. I have forgotten it had a fireplace. We used to go there when we were at the Cavern. You had to get a 'pass out' and it was just enough time to get one drink and scurry back.
03-15-2011
Ged

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Originally Posted by Ronijayne

My Uncles used to go for a drink in a pub they called the Criterion but I don't believe that was the real name. It may have been on Admiral Street. It was by Princes Park gates for sure by the Welsh houses. I was about 5 or 6 so it is stretching my memory. Anyone ever hear of it?

Even better, here it is with thanks again to Freddy O'Connor.

Pictured here in the 60s when the Licensee was John Carlton, it was a Charrington's House and stood just south of Admiral Street on the corner of South street with Hawkstone Road. It was demolished in the 1970s along with the houses.

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03-16-2011
Ronijayne

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Originally Posted by Ged

Even better, here it is with thanks again to Freddy O'Connor.

Pictured here in the 60s when the Licensee was John Carlton, it was a Charrington's House and stood just south of Admiral Street on the corner of South street with Hawkstone Road. It was demolished in the 1970s along with the houses.

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Gosh I must have passed it 1000 times as a kid. Thanks Ged. Reliving my childhood here. This part was when I lived with my beloved Grandmother in Treborth Street. I was spoiled with three uncles living there (two in their 20's) and a teen-aged cousin, I made a fortune in Beanos, Dandys and sweeties running their errands for razor blades, cigarettes, hair gel etc.

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I love these old houses. Sad they have gone.
03-17-2011
gregs dad

[IMG]http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...oll/dserve.jpg[/IMG]
The Kendal Castle,corner of Fountains Road and Westminster Road in 1954
[IMG]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/...e1f_z.jpg?zz=1[/IMG]
I snapped it in 2008, now demolished
03-17-2011
JMLE

I see the Kendal Castle in its latter years had a roof garden. Very posh ;)
03-17-2011
wsteve55

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I see the Kendal Castle in its latter years had a roof garden. Very posh ;)

:unibrow:
03-17-2011
Ged

Here are the remains in January 2009. New housing now stands here and in fact either side of the Saddle Inn pub whose manager must be delighted.

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03-21-2011
Ged

And now........................

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03-22-2011
BlueJeans

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Originally Posted by gregs dad

[IMG]http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...oll/dserve.jpg[/IMG]
The Kendal Castle,corner of Fountains Road and Westminster Road in 1954
[IMG]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/...e1f_z.jpg?zz=1[/IMG]
I snapped it in 2008, now demolished

I love the windows on the original design, why would you block up the big curved window in the middle?
03-22-2011
lindylou

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Originally Posted by BlueJeans

I love the windows on the original design, why would you block up the big curved window in the middle?

Yes, it looked really nice.
03-22-2011
kevin

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Originally Posted by Ronijayne

[/COLOR]I took many pics in the Grapes years ago. I must scan them and put them up here. I have forgotten it had a fireplace. We used to go there when we were at the Cavern. You had to get a 'pass out' and it was just enough time to get one drink and scurry back.

Roni,
The layout in the Grapes is now totally different from the 60s/70s when I used to be in there quite often. I've been in there a few times a year for the past 5 years or so - having been absent for a long time. At first I thought I was in the wrong pub!
03-22-2011
ChrisGeorge

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Originally Posted by gregs dad

[IMG]http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/e...oll/dserve.jpg[/IMG]
The Kendal Castle,corner of Fountains Road and Westminster Road in 1954
[IMG]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/...e1f_z.jpg?zz=1[/IMG]
I snapped it in 2008, now demolished

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Originally Posted by BlueJeans

I love the windows on the original design, why would you block up the big curved window in the middle?

I might suggest that if the big curved window got broken, it would have been difficult to replace the glass. Filling in the big window also gives you a more prominent way to advertise the establishment. However, there might be another major reason why the big curved window had to go. Look at the windows to either side of the big window, and note that they are of different design compared to the original windows. Although I don't know for sure, it's possible that instead of the lofty upper rooms that were in the building originally, an extra floor was added by reducing the height of the ceilings. Perhaps someone who is in the know could confirm this.

Chris
03-22-2011
GeorgePorgie

Maaybe it did get smashed at some time or other? in which case its quite expensive to replace a large curved glass pane and whoever owned the pub at the time? decide to take the whole casement out and vricked up? the windows opening.

In Northumberland terrace when I wus a lad,there was a Tobacconist,sweet shop that just looked as though it just came out of a Dickens era,the glass was like that of the pub ie it had two curved windows eitherside of the doorway.
03-22-2011
ChrisGeorge

Aye, George. I am assuming that as time went on it would have been considerably harder to find a glazier to replace custom-made curved glass like that. All very well for the artisans of a century ago but not as possible in our more modern times, not to mention the cost of it today.

Chris
03-22-2011
GeorgePorgie

Just hang about a minute and I'll show us a real oldy worldy curved glass frontage and its still there today. :)
03-22-2011
gregs dad

[IMG]http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5091/...a4eb64bb_z.jpg[/IMG]

The Punch and Judy in Bolton Street, looks like they are not sure the wall is safe
03-22-2011
GeorgePorgie

Sorry,can't take a decent grab of the shops as keep falling down in the queensway tunnel....bloody Google.

The two shops are PRS Electronics and Health food store on Dale street.
03-22-2011
ChrisGeorge

Okay, thanks, George. I don't know the particular windows but I do know such curved windows still exist.

C
03-22-2011
Oudeis

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Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge

Okay, thanks, George. I don't know the particular windows but I do know such curved windows still exist.

C

Yes. There is still a lot of it about.
I wonder if they use curved glass in building-windows for the same reason that port-holes are round?
03-22-2011
RonnieW

Passed the Gardners Arms on Edge Land Drive yesterday and notice it has closed.
03-22-2011
lindylou

I think the Red Rum bar may have closed. It looked boarded up when I passed the other day. That won't look very good on Grand National Race day will it !

http://www.enterpriseinyourarea.com/...verpool%20.pdf
03-23-2011
Ronijayne

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Originally Posted by kevin

Roni,
The layout in the Grapes is now totally different from the 60s/70s when I used to be in there quite often. I've been in there a few times a year for the past 5 years or so - having been absent for a long time. At first I thought I was in the wrong pub!

Can't remember when I took the pics. 80's? I still have the box of matches!!! I will look for a pic and you can tell me probably
03-23-2011
Spike

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Originally Posted by RonnieW

Passed the Gardners Arms on Edge Land Drive yesterday and notice it has closed.

No Way :PDT_Xtremez_42: I loved that pub years back.
03-23-2011
gregs dad

Played bowls there many years ago
03-23-2011
Rhoobarb

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Originally Posted by GeorgePorgie

Sorry,can't take a decent grab of the shops as keep falling down in the queensway tunnel....bloody Google.

The two shops are PRS Electronics and Health food store on Dale street.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=dale...12,345.83,,0,5
03-28-2011
Lizzie1

I see the Excelsior on Dale Street has been refurbished, very nice too.
03-28-2011
smiffy

hi kev,just browsing the this site on pubs,the garston pubs alex, paly,welly,especially the derby,did tommy tharme run it,brought back so many memories,they was my watering holes in the 60s,plus the clarence in widow lane.thanks again for great pictures. smiffy:tear:
03-29-2011
wsteve55

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I've forgotten the name of the pub', that was on the opposite corner to "Pryor's",in London rd!! Any idea?:nod:
03-29-2011
Ged

It was the Windsor, known as the Greek as it was on the corner of Greek St.
03-29-2011
wsteve55

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It was the Windsor, known as the Greek as it was on the corner of Greek St.

Thanks Ged.Amazing how quickly you forget......but you know my condition!:unibrow:
04-14-2011
ellergreen

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The Nonpariel

Is this the pub that was known locally as "Effn Nellies"??
04-14-2011
Ged

No, effin Nellies was the Tatlock on the corner of Vauxhall Road and Tatlock St. The pub pictured was the Non Pareil (meaning no parallel/no equal)
04-14-2011
gregs dad

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Is this the same pub Ged ?
04-14-2011
Ged

No Joe, I think the Tatlock was on t'other side of the street at the time the Castle was still there. It was demolished in the mid to late 80s along with Tates and all that side.
04-14-2011
GeorgePorgie

It was called Tatlock Vaults,Geddy
04-14-2011
ellergreen

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Originally Posted by Ged

No, effin Nellies was the Tatlock on the corner of Vauxhall Road and Tatlock St. The pub pictured was the Non Pareil (meaning no parallel/no equal)

Thanks Ged,
I only asked because my sister's pub "The Newsham" was called the Holy House or the Tabby(Tabernacle) because the previous tenants wouldn't allow swearing (on Scotland Road???)
Happy Days
04-14-2011
GeorgePorgie

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a...wk&cid=4-7#4-7
04-14-2011
Ged

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Originally Posted by ellergreen

Thanks Ged,
I only asked because my sister's pub "The Newsham" was called the Holy House or the Tabby(Tabernacle) because the previous tenants wouldn't allow swearing (on Scotland Road???)
Happy Days

Yes, right next to St. Anthonys church.
04-14-2011
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Ever come across any info' on the "mystery" pub' in Eldon st,yet,Ged?

Ged,
I posted this in another thread
There's a "Cottage Inn" listed in the 1938 Street Directory buts it's in Eldon Place No. 73
Any good?
04-14-2011
Ged

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Originally Posted by GeorgePorgie

It was called Tatlock Vaults,Geddy

No mention of Vaults there Georgie ;)

A photo of the Tatlock, complete with effin Nellie. Taken in the 1980s by Joe Devine. Another excellent contributor to the 80s Liverpool catalogue.

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