Yeah but you have to be Scottish born since Scotland discriminate because they have a chip against the English.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.D.W
In EU places like Ireland, you only have to be an EU citizen.
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Yeah but you have to be Scottish born since Scotland discriminate because they have a chip against the English.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.D.W
In EU places like Ireland, you only have to be an EU citizen.
You are very luck then. It was grim, very grim. Liverpool was war zone, like something out of a futuristic sci-fi film where society had broken down.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
In the 1980s I took a NZ girl friend to Liverpool. She said she had never seen such a horrible deprived violent place. In 12007 I took two French ladies to Liverpool and they were impressed. That speaks volumes
Everytime the Tories get in they screw matters up. They believe in a privileged ruling class and are obsessed in retaining class structures.
If you do not earn you do not pay back until you do. Most do not pay anyhow.Quote:
Depends on the Uni sometimes and what degree they get though. Alot of graduates are in jobs like McDonalds for example at the moment. Some subjects people get degrees in don't always pay too high either.
I agree with you, They paid me to go. But the cost is not that great. But why should we pay the uni fees of family where the father earns ?80K a year?Quote:
Places like Sweden and even Ireland have free Uni education. Education is a right and one of the most important needs to survive, it should be made free or at least really cheap to pay. It was something you'd expect from the schoolboys.
The Tories will not give free higher education. They do not want the working class educated and never did. The Labour party expanded higher education in the 1960s. Before that the UK only had a few universities and only the privileged went.
Only for Wilson the UK would be like Turkey.
I work with an Indian Hindu at work and shook the lad's hand and wished him all the best before I broke up for the Christmas holiday. I also work with a white lad who has converted to Islam. I again shook his hand and wished him all the best for the new year.
Not bad for a racist, eh?
:PDT10
I find you laughably amazing. Atlee was not able to make decisions because of the class he was from according to this one. Of course to him only the upper class could make certain decisions because their class and silly arrrcccents would make them think in a certain way embellished with infinite wisdom - like Eden. Yerrr!Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieW
Are you are BNP voter too?
A good idea! I suspect he's on more than someones 'ignore list' judging by the absolute drivel he comes out with. All those accusations of racism, religious bigotry etc shows him up for what he is. Just another Blairite flunkey of the ruling class.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.D.W
Yes be nice to nice to them while you want them thrown out. Would you shake hands with Jews?Quote:
Originally Posted by A.D.W
Not another loonpot!!!! The BNP man was going on about Jews. Of course you forgot that.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieW
Well i remember so many dumps in Liverpool, i agree there. It is a little better since the 90's though.
I dunno why, they shouldn't but high earners of 80k can get loans too. It might as well be free for all like the NHS since it would have to be tax funded and the high earners would be paying taxes that go towards it
Yeah, Wilson was good, put higher taxes on the wealthy and help start the Open University.
This message is hidden because Waterways is on your ignore list.
This is great! I wish they'd had this facility on The Scouse House! I could have ignored all the racist and neo-fascist no-marks on there.
This one really is another confused nutter. The political threads attracts themQuote:
Originally Posted by RonnieW
I support anyone except the Tories. All they have, and do, is keep the UK back.Quote:
You support a capitalist political party
He said it not me. Read the thread. Are you capable? I can help you if they like. I am a Jewish lackey or something according to the retarded one because I do not vote BNP.Quote:
and yet you accuse others of hating people because of their race
You are a sycophant.
How about putting yourself on the ignore list then.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieW
It is a difficult one. Sometimes putting in an admin to collect fee or taxes will bring in little or nothing. OK it make bring some employment, which may be one of the goals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
Wilson was superb. He kept us out of Vietnam as well. He made the RAF buy the Harrier jump jet, which they did not want. Then the USA bought twice as many. The advanced jet would have disappeared only for him and no doubt we would have been buying them from the USA.Quote:
Yeah, Wilson was good, put higher taxes on the wealthy and help start the Open University.
The active tilting train was developed by British Rail. After running it for a year Thatcher allowed BR to scrap the train. We have spent ?1.5 billion so far and it will be more, on importing Italian tilting trains based on the UK technology.
I will say it again as you do, Read it slowly and inwardly digest
Where has all the manufacturing industry gone??? CHINA..
The pound is at its weekest. Two years ago I was getting A$2.49 to a pound in Australia, now today I will get A$1.58 to my pound.
in the USof A I was getting US$2.14 to my pound, now I get US$1.60 To my pound.
WHERE HAS MY MONEY GONE?????
And after all that the Country is Bancrupt and in the deepest debt in the History of Britain.
Provincial cities build `sky scrapers`. Hotels that are empty because no one can afford to stay in them. useless. why build useless Hotels when they should be building new houses for the people of this once great Nation.
Hereditary Peers all gone, It did not help me, Tony filled the Lords up with all his cronies. All bent and corrupt, all unelected. Is that democracy??
May as well have left it as it was, as having more unelected bent cronies.
No benefit to me and mine.
I would say that 3.7 million British people on benefit is an unemployment problem.
and all the Human Rights Laws have only helped the Criminals to hide behind.
Until then I never ever needed a human rights law.
So what you have said is still just a load Cr**.
I remember his speech when he devalued the pound. "The pound in your pocket will still be the same" Biggest lie ever from a politician.Quote:
Originally Posted by Max
So..................Answer.
They're all as bad as each other. You need a degree in being hard faced, finger pointing, side swerving, buck passing, brown nosing, feather nesting to even make the short list.
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Kong, where have you been in the past 50 years? Manufacturing has been deliberately been directed to the Far East - Globalisation. Even Wilson got the RN to ship rebels in Indonesia to overthrow the regime in 1965 - to implement globalisation, manufacturing.Quote:
Originally Posted by captain kong
Have you heard of the Credit Crunch? If the government did not intervene there would have been soup lines.
You are on cloud whatever.
Not a lie. The buying power in the UK was still the same. Devaluing was to make British goods competitive aboard and imported good less competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernie
Wilson put the economy right after the mess of Eden, McMillan.Home etc, who had no clue about how to get the UK economy back on track after the war and being heavily in debt to the USA.
The economy was just about right when Thatcher got in and Tories screwed it up all over again.
The biggest lie was McMillan's speech in 1958 when he said, "you have never had it so good". Half the country was in substandard housing. It showed how out of touch they were, or more likely they didn't give a toss about the working class. It was amazing, that people in slums believed him and voted them back in. All they had to do was look around them. BTW, I knew McMillan's daughter.
Ding! Ding! Ding! Ding!
I have been told that you say am I a BNP supporter? That's neither here nor there, young street arab. How many wars have the BNP started in the last 12 years? How many innocent muslim lives have been wasted by the BNP during that last 12 years? How many people have been made unemployed because of the polices of the BNP during the past 12 years?
And...? And...? And...?
Go and boil your head, white boyo.
You'll remain on ignore, street arab boyo, because this forum would only desend into chaos if I started to 'debate' with ye. And I wouldn't want Kev's forum ruined.
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I thought you had me on ignore? Who is porkie telling?Quote:
Originally Posted by A.D.W
You write that you are BNP fan.
More racism.Quote:
That's neither here nor there, young street arab.
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Go and boil your head, white boyo.
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You'll remain on ignore, street arab boyo
Nelville Chamberlain [although not on the list - I think he deserves to be] for pursuing the appeasement foreign policy with Nazi Germany, in spite of their continued commitment to increased militarisation. Britain was totally unprepared for war in 1939 when it came, and the outcome could have been much worse had America not been forced into the war in Dec. 1941.
Chamberlain was a tosser for sure. After the defeat of France, the Tory Lord Halifax was wanting peace with the Germans. The Labour Party would have nothing of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dazza
The UK was prepared for war in 1939. The army was fully motorised - men never marched unlike the Germans. Germany was not prepared. Germany was facing the might of the UK and France who collectively dwarfed Germany. French tanks were much superior to German tanks. The Germans could not knock out the UK's Matilda 2 tank.
The combined British and French economies was 60% larger than Germany's and Italy's. Germany hardly had a navy while the RN held an effective blockade of Germany. Germany won the battle of France because of allied incompetence rather than them being a wonderful military machine. They attacked the USSR without adequate fuel or materials and no reserves. By December 1941 the Soviets had tuned the Germans back at Moscow using the latest T-34 tanks, which the Germans had no match. 18 months before the Germans had been pegged at the battle of Britain and were going nowhere hoping for a miracle.
The US accelerated the wars end, not decide it. The economies of the UK and the USSR dwarfed that of Germany and the end result would only be defeat for Germany. Germany were doomed in even thinking of war.
Waterways. It was not Harold Wilson that kept the British out of Viet Nam, but Britains position as co-chair,with the USSR, of the International Commission for Supervision and Control in Viet Nam. The ICSC was born out of the Geneva Agreements between Uncle Ho and the French Union, following Dien Bien Phu.
Quotes from Nelville Chamberlain, appeasement, and the British road to war, by Frank McDonough.
Really, I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
"It is clear that rearmament started too late and lacked the level of spending and the industrial capacity needed for an effective detterant to Germany. The navy depended on steel and shipbuilding, two industries deeply damaged by the depression....
The army was in an even worse position as the munitions factories had closed down after the first world war....By 1935 only one major company Vickers-Armstrong was still in business...
There was no quick fix to Britain's military weaknesses. This through a heavy burden on diplomacy to buy time and reduce tension...
[Under Chamberlain] the Inskip report was insular and defensive. It confirmed that army spending would remain the lowerest priority of all...
[As late as] October 1938 there wasn't even two fully equipped divisions to send anywhere...This meant that France would have to fight virtually alone at the onset of war.
The war office urged Chamberlain to create six divisions to aid France, but this proposal was rejected...
British policy was underpinned by real military preparations for war in late 1938, but Chamberlain still hoped war could be prevented by diplomacy..."
"In 1935, the Germany population was 67 million, compared with the British figure of 47 million. The chances of Britain winning an arms race was not very high...."Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
"The actual preparations to defend British trade or for an economic blockade of Germany were practically non-existent. Between 1919 and 1939, not one single British naval exercise to prepare for merchant convoy protection against submarine or air attack ever took place."Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
"[We were financially on our knees by] the end of 1940, US financial assistance was desparately required to sustain the British war effort..."Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
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Chamberlain still wins my vote, for worst PM - for his dithering, and long held grip on the security blanket of delusional appeasement, despite all evidence to the contrary from Germany. Another case against comfortable inaction [with apologies to JFK].
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Originally Posted by Samsette
Wilson send British troops to Vietnam as advisers. The 'fortified village' sceme the US employed whereby whole village populations were moved into huge stockades, was a British idea and British officers who had fought against the Mau Mau went to Vietnam to help organise it. Mark Curtis has a couple of very good books dealing with Britain's underhand role in world politics since the last war. Both major parties have a truly awful record in dealing with dodgy regimes, supplying arms to repressive governments etc.
The USA directly approached Wilson to commit troops. The Aussies did. The USA said they would not sanction IMF loans to the UK unless they dropped the TRS2 fighter/bomber - cheeky sods - as they did not want this to compete with their F-111, which the TRSR2 was superior although still needing development. Wilson dropped the TRS2. Naturally he never forgot and ignored them on Vietnam. This is all vox-pop info.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samsette
Read Tooze who has upset a lot of WW2 history.Quote:
Originally Posted by dazza
Adam Tooze, Wages of Destruction.
Page 371.
"The German army that invaded France in May 1940 was far from being a carefully honed weapon of modern armoured warfare. Of Germany's 93 combat ready divisions on May 10 1940, only 9 were Panzer divisions, with a total of 2.438 tanks between them. These units faced a French army that was more heavily motorised, with 3,254 tanks in total."Dutch, Belgian, UK & French tanks in total was 4,200 tanks. The BEF was a fully motorised army, no horses were used to tow guns or supplies, unlike the German army, which mainly horse drawn.
"the majority of the German tanks sent into battle in 1940, were inferior to the their French, British and Belgian counterparts".Tooze, page 371/372.
"Nor should one accept unquestioningly the popular idea that the
concentration of the Germans tanks in specialised tank divisions gave them a decisive advantage. Many French tanks were scattered amongst the infantry units, but with their ample stock of vehicles the French could afford to do this. The bulk of France's best tanks were concentrated in armoured units, that, on paper at least, were every bit a match for the Panzer divisions."
The British did introduce the Matilda 2 tank, although late in the Battle of France, which again the Germans could barely knock out.
The British and French alone should have stopped the Germans, irrespective of politics. Gross ineptitude on the British and French sides was the problem. How the French never knew of the massive German build up just across their own borders opposite the Belgian border is incredulous.
Tooze Page 454:
"Fundamentally the Wehrmacht was a "poor army". The fast striking motorised element of the Germans army in 1941 consisted of only 33 divisions of 130. Three-quarters of the German army continued to rely on more traditional means of traction: foot and horse. The German army in 1941 invaded the Soviet Union with somewhere between 600,000 and 740,000 horses. The horses were not for riding. They were for moving guns, ammunition and supplies."
"The vast majority of Germany's soldiers marched into Russia, as they had in France, on foot."
The BEF did not march. The first motorised army. After Normandy most troops went by motor - in theory, although many marched depending on the situation.
"But to imagine a fully motorised Wehrmacht, poised for an attack on the Soviet Union is a fantasy of the Cold War, not a realistic vision of the possibilities of 1941. To be more specific, it is an American fantasy. The Anglo-American invasion force of 1944 was the only military force in WW2 to fully conform to the modern model of a motorised army."
The reality was that the German Army so no super army with advanced equipment, as propaganda portrayed. The Allies attempted to cover their pitiful, inept defeat.
Tooze, page 373:
"In retrospect, it suited neither the Allies nor the Germans to expose the amazingly haphazard course through which the Wehrmacht had arrived at its most brilliant military success. The myth of the Blitzkrieg suited the British and French because it provided an explanation other than military incompetence for their pitiful defeat. But whereas it suited the Allies to stress the alleged superiority of German equipment, Germany's own propaganda viewed the Blitzkrieg in less materialistic terms."
From Keegan:
- Germany was third behind the USA, then the UK in GDP in 1939.
- Germany equals UK in capital goods production in 1939.
- UK economy grows 60% during WW2.
"Several members of an anti-Zionist Jewish sect have spent the Jewish Sabbath in Gaza with some of Israel's most bitter enemies, the Islamic group Hamas.
Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a leader of the radical Neturei Karta, said Saturday that his group was in Gaza to show support for the Palestinian people.
The sect decries Israel's existence because they believe Jews must live in exile without a country of their own until the coming of the Messiah.
Neturei Karta traditionally supports Israel's enemies - most notably Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whom members hugged at a Holocaust Revisonist conference in 2006."
Jews I would be more than happy to shake hands with, Waterways me young street arab.
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Almost tempting to take Waterways off me iggy list? What say the forum? Yay or Nay?
I think Mr WW is a member of the Conservative Party.
I used to vote Labour but since he started all his entertaining views of Labour I have decided to vote Conservative now.
What a ploy.
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Originally Posted by A.D.W
It all depends on if you think he has something worth reading. The last Labour Party supporter who had anything worthwhile to say was George Lansbury. It's been a steady march to the right ever since.
I admit there is quite a comic element in the Blair Babe's ramblings, but there's a decent little book about which has the same sort of stuff in it without you having to imagine him frothing at the mouth whenever someone has a go at Baby Bomber Blair: http://www.waterstones.com/waterston...locks/3436940/
RonnieW.? Can you quote any sources for saying that British troops were sent into Viet Nam?? I only ask because it is a subject close to my heart.? I do know for certain that a British general who had successfully employed the fortified hamlet concept during the Malayan Emergency of 1948-61 did attempt to impose his knowledge on MAC-V, and, to their credit, the Americans did allow him to come and make his assessment of the situation.? I believe his name was Templar, and the fortified hamlet thing worked quite well in Malaya, simply because the indigenous population were Malay, whereas the insurgents were mainly ethnic Chinese.? The insurgency in Viet Nam was a made in Viet Nam product with 100 per cent Vietnamese participation.? The only British troops in Viet Nam, that I am personally aware of, were half a dozen Military Police on temporary duty from Singapore, and a small detachment from the Gurkas from HK, tasked with guarding the British Embassy in Saigon.
You are obsessed with Jews. Get it sorted.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.D.W
You must keep me on!!Quote:
Originally Posted by A.D.W
You must be a masochist.Quote:
Originally Posted by captain kong
I find it comical when fools like you have no memory whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by RonnieW
What don't you understand about this? You can move your lips when you read.
Under Blair Since 1997:
- The UK economy has been the world's most robust.
- The pound has been almighty strong.
- 9/11 caused a recession in most of the western world. It never happened here.
- The UK had the longest sustained economic growth in history. Provincial cities have boomed with their skylines changing beyond belief.
- Some superb anti-social laws have been implemented (a pity some police and courts do not use them enough).
- The country even absorbed over 1 million eastern European and still not have an unemployment problem.
- Hereditary peers abolished - the biggest constitutional change since Oliver Cromwell
- Provincial cities went on massive building programmes - look at the skyscrapers in Liverpool, Manchester, Birmingham.
You do not change a winning team. Get back to me where you are stuck.
Nay don't do it. Everyone is getting wound up by him. If they just ignored everything he writes then maybe the idiot would go away.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.D.W
I'll check it out, thanks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
From Keegan:Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
Poppycock! Let's not kid ourselves here? This 'motorised' army and superior Matilda II tanks would not have been able to sustain the effort had it not been for the creation of U.S. Lend-Lease act, in March 1940 [Germany invaded France May 1940] which cancelled US previous impartiality concerning conflicts overseas, and were now able to send aid [goods for loans] to whoever they saw fit - mostly to Britain & France. Without this aid our war would have finished in 1940. And a more 'primitive' [though effective] solider's on foot with dependable horse drawn carriages may have won the day for the Germans? So much for our preparedness? Epic FAIL on our part...and for Chamberlain.
Originally Posted by Waterways
As a footnote: remember the American war in independance [1775 ? 1783]? Here was this superior militarial technological country [Great Britain] possessing the most powerful empire the world has seen....who were defeted by local militia, who knew the terrain well, and employed unorthodox methods of fighting.
She was a very funny Lady. Total Boss...Quote:
Originally Posted by Debra
WW is cool, bad mannered but cool none the less.Quote:
Originally Posted by A.D.W
Bowlocks!Quote:
Originally Posted by pablo42