Well i hope it gets saved.
Keep us posted Philip.
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Well i hope it gets saved.
Keep us posted Philip.
Thanks for the info Gnomie and Philip.
That's a great picture of the Olympia - you can see what a fine building it is from that view standing back from it.
The Bedford looks like it's been a lovely place in it's day. I've passed it many times but not taken too much notice. Now I've seen it here, I realise that it's very nice and must be saved.
The Gaumont in Anfield - I was nearly born in there !! My mum was watching a film there and went into labour ! :shock: :D
Philip, approx a couple of years back the Gaumont (or Lighthouse as it's now known) held a community open-day and showed old film footage of some of the old cinemas and also some history of the Anfield and Everton/Breckfield area. Did you attend by any chance ? I can't remember the date but it was in the summertime I think. Thought that maybe all cinema buffs would be interested.
I was there with my mum, We listened to some interesting tales and memories from the older folks about the old days.
We should have spoken up and said that I was almost born in that cinema, but we were too shy ! :) :)
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Thanks Philip :handclap:
did you have a coffee and a snack afterwards ? We might have been at the same table. :) :)
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Just over the road from The Curzon in Old Swan is what looks like another old cinema. The only other cinema I can see listed for Old Swan is The Regent so it could be that. I'll have to go back in daylight to get better photo's...
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...a/DSCF0677.jpg
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j2...DSCF0675-1.jpg
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Ta Phil.
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Thanks for posting the Gaumont pics Philip. You're a marvel what you come up with :handclap: :handclap: ... all I need now is for you to magic up a pic of the old Cabbage Hall. :D
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I've said this before, but I really want to see the ABC in Lime Street brought back into use.
This would be great for '08. It's nine years this month since the cinema closed and externally the building looks fine.
I'd love to see the inside of this place. What could be done with it?
A nice sports bar? Quite possible.
Some sort of cinema museum? Seems very unlikely but I'd love it
A small casino / arcade? Nice idea - the one at Queen Sq. is good though.
With the big '08 banner, it's easy to forget about the architectural beauty of the former Forum / ABC.
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That's gonna be our Capital of Culture surprise. They'll take the banner off like a red curtain revealing our 'new building for 2008', hoping we'd all forgotten it was behind the banner. LOL :)
Thanks to everyone who has posted pictures of the old Cinemas in Liverpool, they bring back so many great memories:)
There are some photos inside the ABC in 2006 here: http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/forums/...ead.php?t=4651Quote:
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Yes, that's very true. They're interesting photos, though I'm not sure I approve of the way they were obtained.
The Odeon On Allerton used to be the ABC too.
Last film I remember seeing In the ABC On Lime Street was Waynes World 2.:celb (6):
Might of been the Nutty Professor though.
I deffo saw WW2 there though.
Yes, I remember. :) No pictures of the old Cabby. :sad:Quote:
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I had a look at those pics too.Quote:
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What a terrible waste and such a shame to leave that cinema like that.
The Futurist over the road is the same - but probably in a much worse state -as Philip said.
It will be a crime if they take away the ABC. Surely they wouldn't !! ??
(nothing would surprise me tho' ) :disgust:
I wouldn't mind taking pics like they did but I'd have to make sure the Bizzies didn't see an open door.
I have to say, comments like this piss me off, as they're often attributed to my own explores.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
I can assure you 100% that these people didn't break in. The reason it took them so long to get in there is because they were not prepared to break in. And when have you ever seen my face? If you look at any of the 100s of explores on that forum documented by me, you won't find my face on any of them. Purely because if people are going to start making unresearched accusations, it only makes things worse.
As it happens, I know the way in they took, and ingenious as it is, it DOES NOT involve criminal damage of any kind, and is not openly accessible to the public. In short, that building is as secure as it needs to be. It's extremely doubtful that anybody could get in who intends to cause the building harm.
Yes, intruders do a lot of damage in some cases, but the guy who took those pictures is a well-travelled 'explorer', and is not your average chav with a camera phone. He's taken some very good photos, is a nice guy and I resent reading stuff like that written about him. He's doing this kind of thing just like I am.
I will, however, say this: I appreciate your sentiment, and the angle you're coming from. I've stood in places and felt totally distraught surveying the debris from vandalism. Earlier this month I returned to the fantastic Tate & Lyle conveyor tower to find it ransacked. Original 1950s decore wrecked, hand painted and numbered porcelain fuses smashed, rare control panels ripped out. It's heartbreaking.
Because of this, I can understand your despair, but I have to say, that cinema is pretty bl00dy secure. I know this, as it's the reason why I (and the many others who have expressed an interest in exploring it) have been denied for so long.
In summary - that forum does not promote vandalism of any kind. It's owners and moderators are my friends, and they ruthlessly remove from it anyone who would vandalise, break, set fire or grafitti a building.
We've worked with the Police to help investigate damage to buildings (including a similar cinema burnt down in London), tried to get buildings listed and even cleaned up places we've explored. Please don't group us in with the mindless yobs who destroy our historic buildings - we're like chalk and cheese.
Excuse the rant, but I had to...
Good on yer.
Agree with Snappel about the guys from 28days. None of them have bad intentions and never leave the place they visit in a worse state. Very talented people. There's very few people I'm in awe with, but most of them are over there.
However, that doesn't mean I disagree with Phil. I think Phil's moan was about the scumbags who break into places and vandalise them for their so called own enjoyment. They need clubbing like they do with seals.
Yes Dave, and I'd be happy to join in with the clubbing!
As I said, my problem is when people just assume that it's 'breaking and entering' - that's narrowmindedness, and gives us a bad name. Some people are of the opinion that without permission you should never go anywhere, but then so much would be missed.
I have a list as long as your arm of places that only got photographed prior to demolition because of 'urban explorers'. There's so much that is lost that we never realise. If the ABC is converted, who will have photos of it's interior in the final days? Likewise search on the web for photos of the inside of Stanley Dock warehouses, the Royal Infirmary, Spillers flour mill (which, as it happens, I got to a bit late), Royal Iris, Everton Library etc - you'll find most of them were taken by people like me, the cinema guy, our own scouserdave, etc!
Just because you didn't get permission, or you walked past a 'no entry' sign, it doesn't mean you vandalised, 'broke in' or otherwise damaged a property.
But I like seals.
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Phil, you forgot to include the link to all these good interior shots that you are aware of.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
Regardless of that, you still state that they 'obviously' broke in when they didn't. About 2 years ago, before I did much exploring in Liverpool, I knew loads of people who went in that cinema. For a good while, most groups of friends I had/met there was someone who'd been in there, to drink cider, mess about, whatever.
As for the photos... The guys just wanted to have a record of their exploration, they weren't out to try and win some kind of competition. Are you a pro-photographer? No? Does that mean I should criticise all of your photos, and likewise, you mine? Their photos being nothing special does not automatically justify your comments.
I wonder about this nation, I really do. All these people harking on about 'the good old days' and 'when I was a lad', but seriously the problem today is sheer stupidity, ignorant 'pigeon holeing' and a complete lack of ability to think for oneself. It doesn't just come from the kids, it comes from the older generations too - makes me wonder if half the problems are due to the kids being misunderstood... (not that I am one anymore, but I refuse to 'grow up' and stop playing in old buildings)
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Possibly because it wasn't closed down at the time? Just a guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
Every weekend, thousands of people walk round the town centre, going to the same shops, the same cinemas, carrying the same crappy bags fully of crappy designer clothers and other rubbish. Tourists go to the same museums and attractions, the same hotels, the same theatres. Sports fans go to the same stadiums, the same events, the same gyms. On hand are Police to tell you if you're going somewhere you shouldn't, signs to say where you can and can't go.
Does it never get boring? Do you never get the urge to go somewhere unknown? To break away from the endless ant-trails and go somewhere interesting, where you don't know what's there?
Yes, lets go to libraries, tours, museums, 'closing nights', let's let others do the hard work.
We'll just sit here and be spoonfed.
Phil, regardless of your views, don't you even get the slightest frission of excitement when the likes of Snappel post their unique pics?
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No, we agree on that point. It's wrong to break into a building and leave it vulnerable to whoever else wants to go in. I didn't dispute that. Rather, I resented you accusing me or my friends doing that. If you haven't understood that by now, then you never will.
As far as I know the Futurist was damaged by vandals, who probably broke in. I wanted to get in there to see it firsthand, but finding no open door or window, it wasn't possible. Hence a lack of photos/report on my website.
EDIT: Having re-read your last comment, I see that in itself is intended as an accusation. You really are an ignorant fool aren't you?
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Clearly you don't know what the definition of 'breaking' is. Last time I went into my local Tesco I wasn't given permission, but the doors were open - I went in. Did I break in? If I'm calling you names, it's because I'm being descriptive.
You're right though - we're going round in circles and you're clutching at straws. My whole point was that you don't need permission to enter a building - British Law states as much. Who said the 'snappers' had permission - they didn't! But they didn't break in either - do you not see how that's possible? No? Then I'll say again, you're an ignorant fool. That's not name calling, that's being descriptive. Get it?
Whats happened to Dave?
I find It cool that snappel gets up all those CranesQuote:
Phil, regardless of your views, don't you even get the slightest frission of excitement when the likes of Snappel post their unique pics?