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Ha, I've seen better! I've seen a group of scallies piss off some older non-scallie kids, and one of the fleeing scallies get left behind and the sh1t kicked out of him! His over-done 'deep' voice soon disappeared then, I can tell you...Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
It's true isn't it the likes of Nogsy soldiers is very offensive to hard working people who live in Norris Green and I can tell you they are still in the majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
I don't include most people on this site who are proud Liverpudlians but some Scousers are all too ready to play the happy scally role and play into the hands of the southern media who love it when we are done down.
True Nogsy soldiers in fact do exist, They are known as the Duke of Lancasters Regiment(Formerly HQ Kings) and meet up at the TA Centre on Townsend Avenue on Tuesdays 7:30PM
Whats the problem here?, Its only round the street corner!
I thought it was spelt Nogzy, mate.
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Originally Posted by Tockeyhead
and .... ??
Well they think they are 'True Soldiers', They can be if they join up in the TA Centre in Norris Green.
After reading all the posts that are saying. Put them on their own make them join the army to become true soldiers etc etc. I have to throw my tuppenorth in. I lived in Norris Green until i was 26. My family and all my friends still live there. I still class my self as a Nogsy girl and feel no shame about it.
When I was a teenager I was no angel but never hurt anyone. I went to school with and knew by association many of the thugs in Nogsy. It is their children the second generation of thugs who have no honour.
My friend was broken into 5 days before Xmas she lost her TV(which she still has to pay for) and all her childrens xmas presents. My other friend has had petrol bombings and firework bombings and shots fired at the house 2 doors away from her. Cars used in murders abandoned in her Street. Her husbands taxi takings have been taken twice at knife point. Sat Navs have been stolen whilst he sat in the cab he knew he couldnt do a thing about it. The road where I lived saw my old neighbour attacked thrown out of his house and now it is used by the "strand lads" as place to hang out. These thugs are well known but seem to be above the law, whose hands are tied because no one will give evidence. I dont blame them I wouldnt give evidence either. I never classed myself as a coward and I am always the first to speak out when I see injustice done. But in the case of the Strand lads your hands are tied and your lips are sealed. Yes these are young thugs who would crumble alone. But the fact is they are not alone there is someone waiting in the wings to take over as one goes down. They have an ethos that you hurt one you hurt them all. They will get you. I am not perpetuating scare stories as I see it with my own eyes. I feel the hopelessness in my heart for my friends and my community. The Lads lead a better life than employment can ever offer them and they have time on their hands to do whatever they want when they want.
Lets not be flippant about this, people live with the fear of the strand lads day after day and no-one so far has been able to do anything about it. They are building Ellergreen and charging over a hundred grand a house. It is doomed to failure unless this place gets cleaned up. It will take a commitment from all the services and a lot of money to do this.
I pray for my friends sake a solution is found soon.
(BTW my friends live in what is considered to be the better areas of Nogsy)
Lynne
I agree Lynn, chopping one head off a Hydra-headed monster does no good at all. They have to be taken down all at once.
sorry, I misread your post on that. I didn't twig on to why you were saying that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tockeyhead
Yes, the TA is right there in Norris Green. It's true, they could join up and learn how to be real soldiers. I have a feeling they couldn't hack it tho' :rolleyes:
lynee, a very sad and disturbing tale. It's terrible to hear about those awful things happening to your friends.
it's beyond belief that things have come to this, and fear of a few thugs is such that there is no hope. :disgust:
I can't believe we are just left to get on with it - parts of Anfield are going the same way - nothing gets done, no amount of Police activity has quelled any of the anti-social behaviour and drug dealing etc.
Ok, one lot might get swept up, but as you say there are plenty waiting in the wings to step in.
ps,
It's very depressing that we have to write such things about our areas.
These threads should really be for posting good news, photos and perhaps a little history about the districts. Any ex-pats looking in to catch up with their old stomping ground will be disappointed.
'fraid that unfortunately there are certain areas which are beyond repair. ( my own area deteriorating by the day. :disgust:
Someone mentioned that they're like/or think they are Al Capone and his gang. Well even they had a shelf life - the good guys ethos also has to be - 'hurt one of us and you hurt us all and there's more of us' - stand up and be counted for Christ's sake.
Here's a few. I've got some recents pics of Heathwaite Crescent on the Boot Estate. I'll post them later. That's where my Dad lived until he married my Mum. It's right dump nowadays.Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
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Thanks SD for posting those pics.
That's what these district threads should be about. :) :)
Years ago, my uncle used to live around norris green, Me and my mates used to get underneath the Broadway Bridge where there is a nice little 'sit-off', However it has been fenced off.
GUN battles between rival teenage gangs left a trail of destruction through a Liverpool suburb. more
This was reported in North West Today this morning.
Are these pellet-guns or real bullets?
There was a pellet-gun shooting the other day where somebody was injured in the leg.
Obviously, either type of gun is unacceptable, but we should be told which they are, because there is a difference.
Later.
It wasn't even mentioned on the Lunch-time edition of North West Today.
Greg O'Keefe's report in tonights Echo seems to be talking about real guns.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
I hate all this over-reaction when talking about 'shootings'. I read in a recent report someone say 'our gun ridden streets'. This is soooo not true. Yes there are some real guns out there, but compared to other cities and countries there is very little gun crime here. This doesn't mean it shouldn't be taken seriously, it should just be reported correctly. The vast majority of guns in this country (75%) are imitation firearms and most real guns are improvised guns from decades ago.
Places like the U.S. and S Africa have astronomical gun crime with shootings in cities taking place numerous times a day, with real guns! This is due to the fact that they have gun shops and the police are armed. There is no going back for these places, they are too far gone.
There is a completely different attitude to guns here. They are seen as completely unacceptable things by the vast majority of people, whereas in the U.S. children as young as 5 are tought how to use guns 'responsibly'!!!!!! This is telling them that guns are ok and is still teaching them how to use them.
Guaranteed 90% of the lads in these areas will have a least a BB Gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK1
You can't really compare the USA to the UK as far as gun crime goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK1
Look at say New York, about 5 million people, Liverpool 500,000. Won't get into the gun/anti gun, be it real,fake or airgun, again, but remember guns
don't kill people, it is the person with the gun who does..
Probably. To them, it's just a big game and is seen as cool. They should all be taken to the ghettos of America and S Africa to see that there, it isn't a game, it's a way of life. They wouldn't last 2 minutes. To be honest, they make me laugh. They're a bunch of uneducated, poorly disciplined yobs. I hold the parents responsible. The vast majority of these wannabe gangsters come from poor backgrounds with parents who just don't give a s##t, who are a disgraceful example to their kids and should never have been allowed to give birth.
If you compare NY to London, which has a population of 7m, NY has far more gun crime. We do actually live in a safe country, compared to others around the world. It's just the propaganda and paranoia spread by the media that makes people think we live in a dangerous country.Quote:
Originally Posted by steveb
This is true, but we ain't talking about London :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by AK1
I agree the media tend to spice up stories, lets face it it sells papers.
Years ago I was working up a ladder fixing a cctv camera at White Arrow
in Litherland, felt a sharp pain in my leg and something warm running down
when I got down I had been shot with a 22 air rifle. The bobbies got the culprits, but being under age could do nowt apart from confiscating the rifle.
This is what happens today, kids with BB guns, some of which look very much
like real weapons, point one at an armed bobby, and see what happens.
That's what I've often said. I'd just love to airlift some of the local scallies and drop them into the worst gangsta' ghetto where, as you say, it is a way of life and serious stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK1
Or I'd drop them into the middle of a war zone where there's plenty of gunfire - those scallies wouldn't be worth a carrot.
In the ghettoooooo!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
Thats what It should say after Suburb.:PDT_Aliboronz_24: :PDT10
My brother took one of his driving tests In Norris Green, he learned not to do It there again and passed In Garston.
Was Croxteth on your list?
My mate is a bizzie round there. They are real guns. He just wishes they would all wipe each other out as they're all little scumbags.
It must be hard for the decent kids around there to make any positive impact there. Decent ways of living havn't exactly been promoted have they?
Think Norris Green was.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan
It isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be in norris green and croxteth. I also took my driving lessons in that area with no problems what so ever and my nan lives in croxteth and has had no problems living there. I'm not denying that there are problems, there are and they are being tackled by the council and police. There is alot of regeneration happening in these areas and they are gradually getting better.
It's mainly the media that make people think your life is at risk just by walking through it. To be honest, the public are partly responsible for all the hype as too many people believe everything they read in the papers and never consider the other side of the story, and alot of people who have oppinions on these areas have never even been there or have been there once.
Everything gets exaggerated, I live in Northern Ireland and a lot of people still think that there's people getting shot etc. just because of the past, we've built a reputation. I think these kids want a reputation like that and so it all gets blown up, not saying there isn't a problem though. I've been in Norris Green about 10 times and haven't had any problems, although I did hear about people driving by and shooting at houses. Does Liverpool not have a midnight soccer thing? It's started over here, to help get teenagers off the street.
There shrine isn't even at the scene of the murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
The first time I saw roadside shrines is when I came here in the early 80's. They were usually on the sites of fatal car crashes. Probably the idea was taken to the UK by tourists who had seen them. They always seemed a daft idea to me.:PDT_Aliboronz_11:
All of the derelict houses in Gilmoss are finally to be demolished soon,the council have finally found the money to relocate the remaining people,no date has been set for the demolition,great news though.
The whole area bordering the East Lancs,Lower Lane,Stonebridge Lane is being developed but I'm not sure what it's going to be.Then there's a massive business park being built just over the road in Gilmoss and the Boot estate is well underway so it's not all bad news for this area.
How do u now engage the local lads into looking for work? Tough job that.
Yes and guess were the 10 million for the Boot estate came from >, it wasQuote:
Originally Posted by Paul D
origionaly intended for the area around Sandyville, Garsfield, all bye the bye
now anyway as the vote to hand over the 21,000 council homes to LMU will
be unanimous...
I don't think the kids in Nogzy/Crocky are any worse than a few generations ago. It's just that they are allowed to get away with more than we did. When I was a teen in Canny, you'd daren't take the chance disrespecting (a stupid Southern word, sorry) an older bloke, because there was always the chance you wouldn't be alive the next day. This was in the 70s.
Same when we were kids Dave, however that was around the time that kids started to question their 'rights' for the first time.Quote:
Originally Posted by scouserdave
If my mum and dad didn't find out about something then they'd be told by someone else, and you would still get a good crack, or 'the slipper' in my case.