A few Old Swan pics, If you scroll to the bottom you will see the College during demolition. Sad to see it go.
http://spikesaycheese.piczo.com/olds...linkvar=000044
Will add others when they build that tripe on it.
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A few Old Swan pics, If you scroll to the bottom you will see the College during demolition. Sad to see it go.
http://spikesaycheese.piczo.com/olds...linkvar=000044
Will add others when they build that tripe on it.
Great Pictures.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
Baden House is mostly built over the Regent Cinema,s Front Carpark. The front of the Cinema was about in line with the back yard wall of the houses on the East side of Baden Road. There was also a rear Carpark.
The last Picture over the rooftops of the houses includes our old house No3 Leinster. My bedroom window at the back brought back memories of very cold winter nights with three of us under the overcoats in one bed. Lived there till I was 27 when I married in New Zealend. My mother was in that house for 62 years. Lots of memories for me looking at these shots. Thanks
Mike Stanley, Perth WA
The Art Deco Littlewoods Building is listed with plans to make it into flats.Quote:
Originally Posted by hmtmaj
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3358/...720da8af_b.jpg
This is from an old Tithe Map in the 1830s I think.
To give you an idea of direction plot '2473' is roughly where St Oswald Church is now. Also clearly shown is the 'quarry' at what would become Hoults Corner
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3493/...3817ab81_b.jpg
This one is interesting because it shows the Old Swan Glass Works (plot 2477 and 2476). These Glass Works were bought by Pilkingtons and Chances in 1855. The huge round bit would have been the 'cone' where the furnace was located.
Great stuff.
Great maps and info, Fortinian :PDT11
Here are a couple of photos I took from around 1985 on Christmas Day, a pipe burst on Prescot Rd and the water reached past Dovecot.
Martin.
From the top of Woodhall Rd
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From the top of Woodhall Rd
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/5...ood2xl7.th.jpg
and from the top of Fitzgerald Rd
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Very interesting Fortinian! Is that Elm House on the second map, top centre?Quote:
Originally Posted by fortinian
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Prescot Road in 1953 at its junction with Pemberton Road. The original parade of 'Swan Row' shops in evidence behind the bus. Irwins had been on that site since 1908.
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St Oswalds street from Hoults corner on Prescot Road c1906. Many locals including a young Mart from this thread pose for the camera. Amongst the businesses on the right are J.R. Dinsdale, Farmer & cowkeeper and Moorcroft's fruiterers. Further on is the hanging barrel shaped globe of the Royal Standard pub and beyond that are the three brass balls of Cookson's pawnbrokers.
Both photographs and information from Paul Bolger's fantastic Edwardian A-Z book - part 2.
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Ged, Great pics yet again, I've not seen these before.
I will post a few of mine from around Old Swan, from Various sources, books etc. Thanks for these.
BTW
That's not me as a kid as I wasn't born until after 1907 :ninja:
Thanks Mart. One more from the book, the 3 set of which I cannot recommend highly enough. 1908 Ordance survey maps/A-Z form - also selected main thoroughfares from the Kellys directories showing businesses/residents and of course dozens of photos like these.
This is looking east along Prescot Road towards Green Lane c1914. Greenberg's is at No.379, then a general contractors offering plumbing, gasfitting, painting, decorating ironmongery and glazing, but now known as major glass suppliers to the city.
Beyond that is the New Premier Picturedrome which was one of the city's oldest purpose built picture houses and the first in the Old Swan area. Before 'talkies' films, it also staged variety acts and melodramas such as Ivanhoe, the black 13 and dynamited love. It opened in 1912 but closed in 1959 and was converted to a furniture store named Marsh's. When the frontage was changed, I remember this as a Blundell's catalogue shop and then, now set further back, it was the premier pub.
The then Green Lane hotel can be seen endorsing Blezard's Ales - a Scotland Road brewery whose premises were on the same block as the Rotunda Theatre.
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Elm House is a very common name on these type of maps...as is the 'The Elms'. I've been stuying this map quite a bit actuallly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samp
I do know that this particuar 'Elms' was the home of a chap called Henry Wilson at one point. It gives its name to 'Elm House Road' in Old Swan, which ran behind the property that I think actually ran alongside Edge Lane.
The 'Glass House Pub' at the top of Cunningham Road and Mill Lane. Is probably named after the Glassworks which I now think was located at the opposite side of Edge Lane.
Most interesting of all is at the other end of the image however. If you look at the building called 'May Place' and overlay it to a modern map the footprint of the building fits the house now called 'Craven Lodge Funeral Home'. This could be the same building or just another building built on he same footprint.
Even more interesting is just to the right of 'May Place' is a small horseshoe shaped building which I think is still standing... i.e. the builders yard next to All Saints Church Stoneycroft, at the other end of Cunningham Road. If that is the case then the patch of grass that is now opposite the building yard used to be a small pond.
Brilliant.
They are some nice pics of Old Swan.
Old Swan now I can't stand to go to.
Great pics Ged, Ive never seen them :PDT_Piratz_26:
Yes, the house was in Edge Lane and was still there until around 1996, when it was demolished.Quote:
Originally Posted by fortinian
Nice one Ayjaykay... thanks for the info. You wouldn't happen to have a picture (or know someone who has a picture) of this house would you?
There is a book on Old Swan with a picture of Elm House.
Found this "Elm House" ( Wavertree ? )
http://www.mersey-gateway.org/pastli.../pages/r45.htm
Martin
[QUOTE=Ged;163625]Thanks Mart. One more from the book, the 3 set of which I cannot recommend highly enough. 1908 Ordance survey maps/A-Z form - also selected main thoroughfares from the Kellys directories showing businesses/residents and of course dozens of photos like these.
This is looking east along Prescot Road towards Green Lane c1914. Greenberg's is at No.379, then a general contractors offering plumbing, gasfitting, painting, decorating ironmongery and glazing, but now known as major glass suppliers to the city.
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Greenbergs have actually just gone bust due to the recession.
Thanks for that, unfortunately I think the Elm House in that photo was near to Lance Lane in Wavetree rather than Old Swan! Like I said, 'The Elms' and 'Elm House' were very common names.Quote:
Originally Posted by hmtmaj
I don't have an old photo unfortunately. The house was where the newish flats and houses are on the photo below. Elms House Road runs behind it.Quote:
Originally Posted by fortinian
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/684...house2i.th.jpg
Your in the right area A J K, But I think it was slightly further down, just past the houses fronting Edge Lane. There was a small sweet factory next door if my memory serves me right.
Great guys, that fits exactly with the map. So you reckon it was standing until the 1990s? There will probably be a photo of it somewhere, excellent work guys!Quote:
Originally Posted by ayjaykay
I vaguely remember a notice on this building relating ,somehow, to youth employment, possibly it was used as a job centre, before it's closure/demolition?
I'm pretty sure it was where I marked on the map. I remember it being there until about 1996 and then it was demolished and the new houses/flats were built.Quote:
Originally Posted by Samp
Would it be Taverners sweet factory you are thinking of ?
Elms House was directly opposite the Prince William Pottery/Rathbone Park and before demolition was used for youth services or something like that. Taveners was opposite Botanic Park/Littlewoods.
Yes, it was. Those trees you can see at the very bottom of the photo I posted are in Rathbone Park.Quote:
Originally Posted by JMLE
I take it you mean Rathbone park then. What was there before the KFC?
Oops - yes, I meant Rathhbone park.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
Elm's House was definitely where those new houses/flats are. The architect who designed them has a website at http://www.johnmccall.co.uk/showcase/projectelmsho.html which says:
"This is a small housing scheme on a prominent infill site on Edge Lane in Liverpool. Elms House was the building that preceded the scheme on the site".
According to Wikipedia, Elm's House was no. 561 Edge Lane and was given listed building status in 1988.
The House was used as the 'Juvenile Employment Bureau' in 1947 according to http://www.archive.org/stream/educat...41mbp_djvu.txt
And permission was given for it to be demolished in 1999 according to http://home.btconnect.com/ancientmon...ISTdem1999.doc
I have a map from 1968 and on the site of KFC are just warehouses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
I have tried to upload the pic but it's too big ! :PDT_Xtremez_42:
and when I put it on imageshack it loses it's detail ! :PDT_Xtremez_12:
I have been thinking for a while of doing a webpage(s) on Old Swan in particular, as I was born there and have lived here al my life.
Would anyone be offended if I used some of the info and pics from here, I will credit the source where possible.
It may be a while before I release it but it's something I've always wanted to do. Mart
You can certainly use anything i've put on here Mart (though the copyright credit for the old stuff will be the LRO) I know they allow use of their stuff for none profit making websites as long as the credit is given and if you need any further help just yell.
Thanks Ged. I don't intend to sell to Google, Microsoft at any price, even if they did offer me ?1.99 maximum :PDT_Xtremez_12:
You are quite right, I was confused with the new houses built around it. I just remember passing it to and from work and remember it at the top end.Quote:
Originally Posted by ayjaykay
Not Taverners, Lindylou. I think it was Williams' toffee, it was only a small place and may have been used for something else, although the old sign was still up. It was next door to John Peck and Company.Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
According to a 1968 map attached .. a warehouseQuote:
Originally Posted by Ged
Elms House circled in red on map.
Mart
QUOTE=Samp;164161]Not Taverners, Lindylou. I think it was Williams' toffee, it was only a small place and may have been used for something else, although the old sign was still up. It was next door to John Peck and Company.[/QUOTE]
this is the one I was thinking of :
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/...4375-17559192/
it wasn't a very big place. Was there another sweet factory too ? I remember Williams toffee :)
Go for it Martin :PDT11 I would like to see that one online as im a fellow Old Swanie.Quote:
Originally Posted by hmtmaj
I have a book written in 1913 that covers Old Swan history, some goos stuff in it. Its called " West Derby, Old Swan and Wavertree " written by James Hoult. You may have it already? if not I could pop it round to you.
I have a few pics of Old Swan on my site, you are welcome to use any if they are any good to you.
http://spikesaycheese.piczo.com/olds...linkvar=000044
Good luck with this project, If i can help give us a shout :PDT_Piratz_26:
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Originally Posted by hmtmaj
Well I never knew you were dyslexic Mart. That says W-horehouse.
The premises of J.H. Robinson & Co. (Liverpool) Ltd in Mill Lane in the 1950s. Joseph Robinson founded his stove enamelling company in Grafton Street in 1869 but as the business expanded a brass foundry was added which produced various components for the gas industry. As the business developed it moved to larger premises on North Hill Street in the 1880s but following the outbreak of WWI in 1914 the firm switched to production to munitions and even larger premises were acquired in Mill Lane, Old Swan and the outbreak of WWII and the firms capacity to turn out anything connected to the gas and communications industry saw it devote all its capacity to the war effort.
Willey's was established in Exeter in 1861 by HF Willey, becoming a public limited Company within 4 years, the founder becoming a prominent citizen, Alderman of Exeter, later Sheriff of the city and then Mayor in 1893. Following his death just one year later his son, Henry took over and led the business into an era of expansion. Willey's produced the first 'coin in the slot gas meter' in the early 1900s and again during the war, they too played their part to the full producing a tremendous range of war material including depth charge firing pistols for the admiralty.
Robinson's and Willey's were destined to eventually become associated when in 1929 their parent company, United gas Industries Ltd came into being, the two firms merging to form Robinson Willey, but only in 1962.
In 1976, they made my parents a little happier when doing away with our coal fire in the tennies and fitting one of their new range gas fires having won the Corpy contract for all their tenement stock.
Information and photo from 'Liverpool Memories' book.
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Originally Posted by Spike
Cheers Tony, I have that one and a few others, which I am going to reference :PDT11
And to Ged:PDT_Xtremez_12: