but does having paid money for something give you copyright, i realise your genuine but that would not stand up in a legal argument
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but does having paid money for something give you copyright, i realise your genuine but that would not stand up in a legal argument
Philip, that's a good idea. It works just as well as a water mark :PDT11
In the days of film the photographer would have the negatives.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoney
I've still got all my old negatives.
Now, the date and time is recorded on digital photos, and the thing is to keep some photos private, so you can prove that the published one was one of the original set.
No it doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoney
That's why I said the postcard is from my collection.
Copyright is a legal thing, but it can be bought or transferred.
it's all a very grey area, it's just in the past few months i've seen some fantastic photos on this site from some great photographers and always wondered if someone stole something would you get anything back
The card was also put in a plastic cover, which reduces the resolution (is that the right word?), so, if necessary, the original could still be published in a book, in its original condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by lindylou
[QUOTE=PhilipG;130680]Short answer.
Sue them.
I'm sure if someone was making thousands of pounds out of your images then you may have a case, but I'd love to see the looks on the Crown Court bods when you've spent £5000 just to have copyright claim to a few pictures.
[QUOTE=Cadfael;130703]:PDT10Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
Find the thread I was referring to, Jona.
You've been on this site long enough to remember it.
[QUOTE=PhilipG;130709]I will squire. I'll see what I can do. I do see your argument and it does annoy me when people sell items like the above on E-bay but there are millions of pictures out there private and personal and as much we'd all like to chop hands off from the people that have borrowed our pics, we can only limit the damage by watermarks and the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cadfael
:PDT11
It may be this this one Phil?
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/sho...ight=copyright
That's the one. :PDT11Quote:
Originally Posted by Cadfael
Copyright law is complex. There are many considerations -Quote:
Originally Posted by shoney
1. Copyrights expire, anything over 75 years old is likely to be expired.
2. Generally if you buy the one and only of something unique that includes the copyright.
3. It also depends on the reasonable expectations of the parties, did the buyer and seller reasonably or manifestly expect to transfer the copyright? This would be the case if the picture was not commercially produced in the first place (such as a personal photo album sold after death by disinterested relatives) - but only if the seller owned the copyright! You can't sell something you don't own.
4. There's the fair use doctrine, it's OK to publish a lesser version of something for review etc. purposes. There are many factors that go into determining "fair use" but the most important is "Does the use lessen the market for and value of the copyright holder's goods". If so then it's not fair use. Putting an entire Harry Potter book on the internet is not fair use, but putting one chapter with details of how to buy the full thing might be fair use even though the authoress can be expected to argue contrariwise.
5. When you buy "works made for hire" you get the copyright - unless the contract expressly says otherwise. For wedding photos the contract invariably expressly says otherwise. A wedding photographer will of course sell the copyright - for a substantial additional charge.
Not of course definitive information but hopefully enough to help one publish and yet stay out of trouble.
I replied a few posts back telling you "not to worry about it- keep 'em coming".Quote:
Originally Posted by hmtmaj
I wouldn't like to be the one to deprive everyone of the excitement of waiting to see if their pictures pop up in your next post!
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
You are quite right Philip, it must be annoying when someone is taking the credit for something you have done.
My own feelings are that if it is not my livelihood thats affected then anyone can have a copy of my photos. ( I know I have taken them and nobody can take that away.)
You will always get parasites in all walks of life, its no use worrying and getting upset, life is too short!
By the same token if a photo keeps cropping up in publications time and time again, who can claim copyright?
does anyone have an image Not Drawing of Liverpool Exchange Station The first one not second there where steps i saw the image once in a very old book i would love to see it again it was just as grand as the 2nd station which is still there today
Just had a quick google on some of the pics I was GOING to post from this exclusive CD ! and found a few of them on your website Knowhowe:
AND you can just open up a pic and save picture as....
The Lord St pic is there, Earle Road and the clayton sqaure one's.
I'm not going to post anymore from this CD as clearly there is a breach of copyright and I don't have anyone to credit the pics too.
I shall now close the can of worms.
I shall post the sellers name from ebay and any other info on the person if they can trace him. Martin.
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Originally Posted by oritelad
There was a picture of the one you mention hanging on the wall in the downstairs bar of Ma Boyles Oyster Bar, near St Nic's church, Its some time since I have seen it and the Bar has different owners now but the picture may be still there.
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
Phill if thats a sly dig at me:PDT_Xtremez_12:
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/sho...&postcount=211
then i sugest you check you facts first. i have posted a lot of images.
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8387
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8284
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5472
http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7576
for a start.
I'm very sorry, DP.
I didn't realise it was you who said those actual words.
I know you've posted lots of photos, especially the ones of the interior of Central Hall.
My comment was aimed at the people who DEMAND photos, but don't post any.
Ok Mate, sorry i took the high ground.:PDT11
oriteladQuote:
Originally Posted by Samp
Found this old picture of Exchange Station, not very good' its a photo of a photo. can be found in the LRO
I don't know if this has been put on the forum befor,but reading some of the posts set me thinking about the pier head and the two blokes whe tied there mate in a sack and the rapped thhim in chains,then whent round with the hat while his mate escaped.Idont know if it was the same two that smashed concrete slabs on there chest,then lade another slab on his chest and his mate asked people in the crowd(and they got a large crowd 40 or 50 strong)to break it.the good old days.
I've heard about this. Older family members have told me about it.
As a kid I saw that. They did it on the waste ground opposite TJ Hughes - I think on the corner of Norton St/London Rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by edwardo
It's probable they did it all over the place,I remember they where allway
two sheets to the wind.
This book which I have signed by the author Jim Elliott is all about the escapologist, it was his pa in law.
http://liverpoolauthors.tbpcontrol.c...uctId=12395243
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Edwardo, there is a good book by Jim Elliott, (Once Upon A Time in liverpool)Quote:
Originally Posted by edwardo
Jim Elliott tells the story of his childhood in Liverpool. The man in the sack was his stepfather, a fascinating tale.
Ged. Do you remember the fella' who used to lift a huge cartwheel above is head on the waste ground by 'Greaty market' (pre Wallasey Tunnel days)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
Just behind the Brown Cow pub corner of Fox Street.
He was built like an ox, he had red hair and used to go round the crowd with a whip and challange any man to lift the wheel.
Pre wallasey tunnel days Samp - how very dare you. I'm only 22.
I picked up a disc in a bootsale amongst a box of cd's Liverpool 1890-1918 a history in photographs. Some good old pics on this one
Ang on I,m still laughing at Ged being 22:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
You're right Chippie and I hold my hands up - i'm 23.
Get em up:PDT_Piratz_26:Quote:
Originally Posted by verdi
Samp.Yes when my boat comes in I'll get the book,the picture on the front cover was done to draw the crowd,he used to do the same thing with an old sword(as if he was going to swollow it).
Just goes to show, a wise head on young shoulders.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
Thank you sir :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by edwardo
I remember him at the Pierhead in the fifties, he would have a crowd in a large circle, he would be in the middle on the floor wrapped up in a large piece of canvas with chains and padlocks wrapped around the canvas, his friend would run the swords in between the chains and the canvas. After a small struggle and rolling around on the floor the canvas would suddenly bend in the middle as he sat up, the chains falling around his waist, a quick release and he was up on his feet to the applause of the crowd. A quick whipround with the cap finished the performance.
One day he was having difficulty getting out of the bag, two policemen arrived; whereupon his friend scarpered and left him to it.
That's a nice building. Do you know what it is,Philip,or are there no details on the back?Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
Dave.
Great picture-I've never seen it before-thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Samp
Dave.