All Saints Church, Childwall

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Originally Posted by taffy

If the plans are not allowed by the planning department, would you be against a Bridge being built over the road from the current Church hall to the Church. Perhaps something like Liverpool College built over North Mossley Hill Road for the same pupil safety reasons, So the road danger to Childwall's children will still be there and something has to be done. The church will be short of money; perhaps the residents of Childwall would be prepared to help fund such a bridge. I also don't attend the church but am aware of the child safety problems.

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A Bridge? I've heard it all now. For anyone thinking that the road is like a Motorway junction, on the many times I have spent at the church, you could count maybe 10 cars in an hour passing that spot. Most visitors to the Pub come from Score Lane or down Childwall Abbey Road.

We are talking about a 15ft piece of road from which you can see both sides as you cross for miles. I can't think of any safer place and I've never come across any near miss despite being part of a group that has crossed that road all my life from the age of 5+ plus. If anyone can tell me of a single incident involving a car and bod on that road then I'd give em money.

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Originally Posted by Cadfael

A Bridge? I've heard it all now. For anyone thinking that the road is like a Motorway junction, on the many times I have spent at the church, you could count maybe 10 cars in an hour passing that spot. Most visitors to the Pub come from Score Lane or down Childwall Abbey Road.



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Go on, show us a photo of the road in the other direction from Score Lane and then say it's not dangerous

Hi Chris, Taffy + Cadfael

Don't think a set of traffic lights would work at the junction. There really isn't the traffic to justify them.

Thinking about a bridge, I don't think it would work anyway. It would look stupid and would need to be high enough to accomodate tall vehicles. I think the only solution would be to contact the highways authority and see what they could do to help at the times you are talking about. Perhaps a kind of lollypop man?

The stretch past the pub, into Score Lane, has never seemed a problem to me. Score Lane has regular speed bumps (including one on the corner by the pub).

John

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Originally Posted by taffy

Go on, show us a photo of the road in the other direction from Score Lane and then say it's not dangerous

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But it is - that's the point. You only have to look at the lack of kerb outside the lytchgate to see that numerous cars have flattened it over the years.

The whole stretch of road is quiet, if there were people walking out of the pub straight in to the road and being killed then I'm sure something would have been done before now.

My only gripe is that there has never been a recorded crash from the lytchgate to the church hall section yet this lytchgate opposite the pub has been taken down more times than I care to remember. The road here is narrow and there is no protection from the cars passing by very close.

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Thanks Cadfael for the aerial photo of the Score Lane blind bend. We'll have to differ on perceived risks to children of vehicles coming round this bend at speed. Speed bumps don't tend to slow such people down !!!

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Originally Posted by taffy

Thanks Cadfael for the aerial photo of the Score Lane blind bend. We'll have to differ on perceived risks to children of vehicles coming round this bend at speed. Speed bumps don't tend to slow such people down !!!

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I'll have to get this one straight - are you more happy with bods crossing at the pub lytchgate or the next one down opposite the church hall side entrance? I am of the party which has no problem with the current 'crossing' yet feel that people are at major risk at the 'corner' - is this your view too?

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Originally Posted by Cadfael

I'll have to get this one straight - are you more happy with bods crossing at the pub lytchgate or the next one down opposite the church hall side entrance? I am of the party which has no problem with the current 'crossing' yet feel that people are at major risk at the 'corner' - is this your view too?

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Both are hazardous really but the I see the real hazard as when the large numbers Sunday school children queue to cross at the road at the from the church hall to the Church's south porch entrance. Risk of course is a matter of judgement, the accuracy of which only time will reveaL. The essence of road safety is however to assess these risks and act accordingly. The fact that something hasn't happened is not an argument for doing nothing.

That's very true, but there is also trying to create a problem when one doesn't exist. If we have been crossing the road since 1930 when the church hall was built, to my knowledge, there has never been an incident when crossing the road - and this is nearly 4 times a month for me for a good number of years on the busiest times.

No point in suddenly claiming that the road is dangerous (the PCC, not you) when in reality, there hasn't been an issue.