if you stand on the old fountain you can get photos facing that way take a look at my hodson station photos of my site
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if you stand on the old fountain you can get photos facing that way take a look at my hodson station photos of my site
The Waterloo and Wapping Tunnels - the red lines. The nearside is the Waterloo Tunnel (well Victoria Tunnel and Waterloo all in one tunnel). These tunnels run under the city centre and not using them is criminal and gross amateurism by Merseyrail planners.
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How are people supposed to take your site seriously if you keep calling this cutting Hodson Station?Quote:
Originally Posted by oritelad
You're not doing yourself any favours, because you've done a lot of work and put a lot of effort into your site.
I've already said this to you privately.
So it was you who chipped that old Melly fountain ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by oritelad
Seriously though, someone has given an explaination as to why the cutting was there and so wide and there is no photographic or map evidence of any station ever existing there and no logistical reason for one to have been there in the past.
Philip. this is foresight as it earmarked to be a station.Quote:
Originally Posted by PhilipG
haha i know i shouldn't climb on historical fountains but i was desperate to see what was over the wall sorry l
i do realize that the cutting in the center of the waterloo tunnel many do not believe was a station but from what i found out it was going to be and was still used to access the surface so it kind of was a station so i didn't want to ignore it but i do agree it was used for run away trains in the end shame it never became a proper station. but maybe it will be in the future :)
HiQuote:
Originally Posted by oritelad
When you say 'from what you found out..' What did you find out and where from?
Mike
has anyone been down to investigate the site lately for possible remains of it being a station? now the rubbish has been cleared when merseyrail cleared the tunnel to investiagte the possibility of a new line?
I think it is clear there was never a full blown passenger station there.
The four tunnels: Waterloo, Wapping, Dingle and Haymarket in Birkenhead are all in excellent condition. To bore just the waterloo Tunnel would cost around ?0.5 billion today.
These tunnels have to be re-used as they would add great value to the Merseyrail transport network. Everyone gains then. An underground Circle Line would transform the city using the Waterloo and Dingle tunnels.
Circle Line - click here
Agreed. There never was a passenger station down there. There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest otherwise.
Disagree about the next paragraph though. You've plucked the figure of ?0.5bn out the air. And the tunnels are not in "excellent" condition. They might not be beyond repair, but they're not in an excellent condition.
Said that, the Council don't care, MerseyTravel don't care, so what's the point? The city is run by a bunch of amateurs and the inner city is plagued by rats and scum.
We could skip forward by 100 years right now to year 2109, and the city will still be the same, with the same old scumbags, living in squalid conditions.
Street furniture in Liverpool consists of dog-dirt, chippy papers and carrier bags. Why should the people of this city get a brand new state-of-the-art transport network? They don't deserve one.
The scum need to be sterilised to prevent them from breeding a new batch of scum (negative eugenics). This cycle will continue to prevail, unless we sterilise them, or lock them away. Investment in new prisons? Sounds good to me. Armed police? Check. Florida-style Police tanks? Check. Death sentence? Check.
Get the law and order in place, then you can invest in transport/regeneration etc. It's like a football club spending millions on great players, but if they don't have discipline and respect for the management staff and the club, they will not perform. You can't "regenerate" an area through solely building new houses/offices or "creating a new Circle Line". It's pure fantasy.
If the people aren't willing to participate in regeneration, the area will never improve. It's as simple as that.
The amount of smackheads I see every time I'm in Liverpool/Bootle is frightening. Women in pyjamas on the street. Scum-rats walking round with evil dogs. Dress the city up how ever you please, it is a city of scum. To believe otherwise, well, you're just a luvvey.
Hey perhaps the tunnels could be used as new prisons then - just brick up the ends when you reach a million.
Current costs would be around 0.5 billion for the Waterloo alone. They are in good condition. Any problems would only cost a few million to put right which drops to small change when a new tunnel would be ?0.5 billion.Quote:
Originally Posted by jc_everton
The Haymarket Tunnel is for tracks wide and the tracks are still there. A whole station can be installed in the tunnel without too much rock cutting, if only two of the lines are used. The Dingle tunnel is in excellent condition indeed.
That is defeatist. And what is the point of life in itself as well? True the council rate the city as a 2nd or 3rd tier city and they have a small town mentality too. That does not mean the rest of the people have to give up.Quote:
Said that, the Council don't care, MerseyTravel don't care, so what's the point?
One way is to introduce a middle class. The new apartments, which are sneered at by the working class. They claim they are empty so no new blocks should be built - what world are these people in? The Echo promotes that view too.
Nonsense!!! Liverpool needs a mass injection of middle class. To attract them and companies you need the transport infrastructure and accommodation. The transport infrastructure is the catalyst. That is where investment should be directed. Transport for the core of the city. Not trams or extending Merseyrail to Wrexham or Skem. Spend where it is is disparately needed.Quote:
You can't "regenerate" an area through solely building new houses/offices or "creating a new Circle Line". It's pure fantasy.
Then you displace those negative people who don't want to know.Quote:
If the people aren't willing to participate in regeneration, the area will never improve. It's as simple as that.
You only go to the parts no one else wants to know. What you say equally applies to large parts of London, yet that city still moves on in big way.
Good idea. A jail was on top of the end of the Waterloo tunnel at one time. It was built to house French Napoleonic prisoners of war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
Once again, these monetary figures have no support whatsoever. What are you basing these costs on? I'm intrigued.
If you can think of a similar project from around the world on a similar scale which cost a similar price, then, maybe you have a point.
But for now, that figure of half a billion is just nonsense. Have a bit of dignity and admit this figure is not accurate.
Liverpool needs a middle class.... where are they going to come from? Why would they want to come to a city infested with verminous humans, sorry, I mean, animals? Liverpool has a disease, and it is not going to be cured by building swanky new apartments with middle-class respectables coming into them. Nor will it be cured by a new rail line. What we have then is a prosperous city centre (a good thing) but what of the inner city? So, they will sneer at the middle classes living in luxurious waterfront apartments? Will this change their behaviour? Will it heck.
You can't cure a disease by making it jealous. And this one will not "just go away". I don't care about the problems of London and other cities, that's their problem. The government have the power to cure this disease, and they can do this through extermination. The scum need to be sterilised, preventing them from breeding. Smackheads can help clean up these underground tunnels and the Aintree-Bootle line. If they step out of line, they will get shot. In the head.
For those not working on the new rail system, they must be placed in concrete prisons, built on derelict land, with no windows, no bed, just a hole to relieve themselves. They will receive one slice of bread and cup of water a day.
Can you imagine how bad this would be? Would ANYONE want to be locked away in a prison like that? Thought not.
Treat scum like scum.
We can even construct floating jails on canals and rivers. The boats would be concrete blocks, with no possible way in or out. Again, no windows or bed, just a slice of bread, in the same we feed ducks in the canal.
Fantastic!
Is this disease just unique to Liverpool?
I see other cities getting infrastructure money thrown at them!
Money for concrete prisons?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
As I say, I don't care about other British cities (as regards to my argument). If they have similar problems, fine. If they don't, fine. Good for them.
This disease is not unique, of course it isn't. Urban social problems exist all over the world. Different governments have different methods of tackling this. Again, in regards to my point, I don't care how successful these methods are, and I don't care about investment.
Actually, of course I care about investment. Investment in guns, ammunition, tanks, helicopters, armed police, prisons, all this is good. Once we get the law and order in place, only then can we build "Sustainable Communities". And then we can attract middle-classes in to the city, and build fancy new rail lines, and so forth.
Again, I drove through Walton and Bootle earlier today, and again I saw mounds of litter, smackheads, scumbags, and a society which bears more of a resemblance to Little Britain, not a "world-class city of culture".
How about people with guns in every train then. Then the rail system can be up and running ASAP.
Well i'm afraid until the good people stand up and be counted - or at least use the crimestoppers number anonymously more often, it'll remain so.
Interesting that the crime free Capital city of Lithuania, Vilnius has taken over our capital of culture status.
For me, getting bobbies back on the beat would be a surefire election winner as would getting tougher on knife/gun carriers and harbourers - one strike.
Failing that, stop trying to poilce the world, leave it to America and use some of the army on the streets where needed and watch the plazzy gangsta culture evaporate when faced with real opposition. We could have utopia if it wasn't in the government's interest to seemingly keep some people down.
i hope we do see the waterloo tunnel used again but you know what merseytravel are like spend a few million on a bootle station that i doubt that area would apresiate or even deserve is hardly used of even needed or take 2 years for a new sandhills station back in the good days of the railway they wouldnt stand for that!! its true the goverment ect are fools they ruin our city and i agree about the amount of scum on our streets its horrible to walk round they city center even they are everywhere its getting worse as for these young thugs in dressed in black bin bags from what i can see that are everywhere these days just createing evil could easyly be stopped if the government woke up why should the govermnet support scummy parents who have as many kids as they can and dont intend to work just drink have sex and smoke and drugs and we are they ones that have to put up with their evil offspring i mean 1 child per family should be there rule if they dont intend to bloody work!!
Wow!" Oritelad, that was all one sentence and not one comma. :)
Thougth this thread was about railways ? The thing with the rise of the scum is to create hell on earth, all going to plan so far !
I suppose it is people who have gone off the rails.
They should all be trained.
Is it possible though, most are Loco.
They should be railroaded into being trained.