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Originally Posted by phredd
Nowt to look at that way :unibrow:
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Originally Posted by phredd
Nowt to look at that way :unibrow:
scooose mee, there may well be if wirral waters gets off the ground, *sobs* everyones pickin on poor wirral
kat:)
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Took less time than i thought :PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Aye if that gets off the ground (pardon the pun) then it will join a few things only to look at.
Hope it all goes to plan.
you,re looking for a mutiny John Hall, wash your mouth out sir, you desperado. You,ll be walking the plank at midnight ...facing New Brighton...see how you like that me harty..splice the main braces..or is it the man,s braces...I don,t know
I was born in Ormskirk, what do i know :PDT11
nice place Ormskirk, been there quite a few times, especially on market day.
I thought that when the Paradise Project started. But we can't not make the city look good just in case the scallies come and mess it up. The powers that be come up with enough reasons themselves not to :unibrow:Quote:
Originally Posted by kat2
Not long before its gone completely
thanku, for the update Taffy, shouldnt take long before they start building the new one, has anyone seen pictures of the new landing stage for the ferry? the only ones i have seen are in the drawings above but it doesnt show very much.
kat
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demolition seems to be well underway now for the old ferry terminal
http://www.aptb09.dsl.pipex.com/lcl_w.jpgkat:)
THE final grant from Merseyside’s Objective 1 fund was last night awarded to help pay for Liverpool Pier Head’s new Mersey ferry terminal. Read
Uh! I have seen those round trees before!
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BULLDOZERS have moved in to the Pier Head to make way for Liverpool’s new £10m ferry terminal. Read
I presume it`s because you always get a breeze coming off the riverQuote:
Originally Posted by kat2
gregs dad
12th April 2008 - Huge version (worth a view): Here
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2045/...4f13066a07.jpg
That's a great photograph Kev, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
It's very nice that the rear of the building (away from the River) incorporates an open air patio that is sheltered from the rain.
I think it's also a great omission that the renovations do not include a glass canopy walkway from the Ferry Terminal to/from the new museum. So that one could walk between the two on rainy days that are not windswept without getting soaked.
I guess the good news is that such a structure can be added later when the need is apparent without too much extra cost. A simple walkway rain canopy/shelter need not be too intrusive - a single row of steel columns and glass or similar roofing material on cantilevers would do it. Mind you a few rain shelters with seats would have been nice - like the much photographed Victorian shelter at New Brighton.
Just joioned this forum, and learned a lot about what has happened re the ferry terminla.
From my own point of view, it did not need to be three storey, just to incorporate shops most likely.
All that was needed was a one storey containing ticket booths,
I noticed mention of the old sunken landing stage not having been removed.
I worked for Francis Mortons, of Garston, who were responsible for building the old steel pontoons and floating walkway bridges down to the pontoons, at all the Mersey ferry terminals, including the old New Brighton one.
I cannot understand, as a Structural Engineer, why on earth they installed the new ones made of concrete. Had they been of steel and wrecked, as the concrete ones were wrecked, removal would have been a lot easier than the mangled concrete with reinforcing bars..
Does anyone know what the new ones, if any, are constructed of.?
I once had a floating landing stage and support booms to design for Heysham Harbour, and we used a Mulberry Harbour pontoon that Francis Mortons manufactured during WW2. They, of course, were built of steel.
If I as an outsider/visitor may add my comment/view on all these recent changes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis
1. As I said in my reply to Waterways in the Mann Island thread, of course I'll be happy for you Scousers if these changes make you happy and if this really is what you want. I love the city and its people and therefore only wish them all the very best - and after all, it's your city and you have to live in it.
2. However, being an "outsider" and frequent visitor to the city, of course I also have my own views on these changes, even more so after reading all these posts and seeing all these pictures. Before joining this (GREAT) forum, I wasn't really aware of what's going on. I had only read about Liverpool One and the new Museum of Liverpool but didn't know the full details.
3. Of course, I don't mind Liverpool getting a new and/or bigger and better museum, a new hotel etc. here and there; innovations and improvements like these are inevitable, necessary and an important aspect of improving life in a city. Neither do I mind the odd high-rise building and/or skyscraper here or there; there already are a few in Liverpool.
However, I'm neither too fond of the design of the new Museum of Liverpool nor of the proposals for the Central Village. If there are modern (high-rise) buildings or skyscrapers to be erected, they should be placed within the city centre in such a way that they don't contrast/conflict with the traditional architecture too much. With regard to the new buildings at Pier Head/on Mann Island, why not design them in such a way that they match the design and character of the buildings already present (in particular the Three Graces - and graces they are indeed) to make them fit in with the general cosy and charming atmosphere in this area? The same goes for the inner-city area around Bold Street.
Some of the planned designs look great to me, such as the extended canal at Pier Head, the new Chavasse Park and the canal on/near Bold Street. Modern buildings could easily be designed to make them fit in with the existing architecture.
Do you really want the major part of Liverpool to be transformed into a futuristic city made of glass, concrete and steel? Buildings made of these three materials are to be found everywhere nowadays, just visit the pedestrian precinct in any Continental city and you'll find this type of architecture, making most cities look more or less the same, apart from a few older buildings left.
To me as a visitor, Liverpool has always looked beautiful and perfect to me. What I've always loved most about it (apart from its wonderful people) is its unique blend of the rich and vibrant cultural life of a big city and its cosy atmosphere, created by the charm of its old buildings and the flair of its streets. If you complain about all of your Edwardian/Georgian/Victorian buildings, please bear in my mind that this is a special heritage which not all cities or countries have.
You, the people of Liverpool, probably have no say in these changes anyway; in your city, it's probably the same as everywhere - the people themselves have no say in what affects them the most.
Please don't get me wrong, I don't want to spoil anybody's excitement, anticipation or happiness about these changes. I'm as interested as anyone to see where Liverpool is heading and what it will look like in the near future and I find these changes very exciting, too. I'd just like to point out to you what a wonderful and unique heritage you have and that some of it may be worthwhile preserving - once it's gone, you may miss it more than you can imagine now.
Merseyrose,
Liverpool is the home of the modern building - and the skyscraper. The world's first steel framed glass curtain walled building is Oriel Chambers - 1864. (I think Ged took this pic)
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2006/...ebf78465_o.jpg
The city was very advanced over 100 years ago and didn't care about the past too much. Take the towers off the Liver Buildings and it is a building that is seen in NY and Chicago at the time. The tall skyscrapers in New York were based on its construction method. The later glass towers on Oriel Chambers.
There is around 12km of granite quayed docks and these were built into the river - all reclaimed from the water. They have been compared with the building of the pyramids - and that is about right.
The city cannot stand still. We have a fantastic legacy of redundant dock waters to be developed, that other cities would drool over. Yet the city sees fit to fill these water spaces to build uninspiring buildings on them. See my link in my sig. The city can become an Amsterdam, and quite quickly too. It must be done right and the centre must move towards the docks water spaces. Some ideas of what may happen in Central Docks:
Liverpool Waters
The idea is to get people into the centre and add vibrancy. That can be done by high rise apartments. So far it has worked and needs to get more dense.
Then we have an old underground rail system that needs extending - the city is full of disused stations under it ready for re-use - some are amongst the oldest rail tunnels in the world. High density requires a rapid transit rail system.
Ian Nairn (architectural writer and BBC broadcaster), Britain's Changing Towns, 1967:
"The scale and resilience of the buildings and people [of Liverpool] is amazing - it is a world city, far more so than London or Manchester. It doesn't feel like anywhere else in Lancashire: comparisons always end up overseas - Dublin, or Boston, or Hamburg. The city is tremendous, and so, right up to the First World War, were the abilities of the architects who built over it - the less said about the last forty years the better.. The centre is humane and convenient to walk around in, but never loses its scale. And, in spite of the [Luftwaffe] bombings and the carelessness, it is still full of superb buildings. Fifty years ago it must have outdone anything in England."
London Illustrated News - 1886:
'Liverpool, thanks to modern science & commercial enterprise, to the spirit & intelligence of the townsmen, & to the administration of the Mersey docks & harbour board, has become a wonder of the world. It is the New York of Europe, a world city rather than merely British provincial'.
US author, Herman Melville, who wrote Moby Dick, compared the vast construction to that of the pyramids - he was not far off in the magnitude of the constructions. 'Redburn, His First Voyage' by Herman Melville 1849...
"Previous to this, having only seen the miserable wooden wharves and shambling piers of New York... in Liverpool I beheld long China walls of masonry; vast piers of stone; and a succession of granite-rimmed docks, completely enclosed. The extent and solidity of these structures seemed equal to what I had read of the old pyramids of Egypt. In magnitude, cost and durability the docks of Liverpool surpass all others in the world... for miles you may walk along that riverside, passing dock after dock, like a chain of immense fortresses.
Prince's Dock, of comparatively recent construction, is perhaps the largest of all and is well known to American sailors from the fact that it is mostly frequented by the American shipping. Here lie the noble New York packets, which at home are found at the foot of Wall-Street; and here also lie the Mobile and Savannah cotton ships and traders."
UNESCO stated that Liverpool played a major part in the largest migration of people in history. More people left for America via Liverpool than any other port. Scandinavians and Germans had to get to Liverpool to get to America. Many stayed. The old docks are of world importance.
But we can't stand still :) :) Nothing happened in the past 30 years, losing half of the population. The city desperately needs to move on.
Thank you so much for your interesting reply! :)
Yes, the docks system in Liverpool is probably unique. All the buildings mentioned in the quotations were modern at the time but now are essential features of the city - and part of its heritage and beautiful to look at, too.
As I said, I'm happy for you all because of these changes, some of which are necessary, some of which are great, and some of which are both. Of course every city keeps changing in the course of time, it's only natural and inevitable. Otherwise we'd still be living in medieval towns and clear out our nightpots into the streets. LOL! I'm not opposed to progress, nor to concrete, steel and glass buildings, skyscrapers (actually, I loved them in New York) etc. I just don't want to see Liverpool losing its wonderful and unique heritage and character and turn into another face-, character- and soulless city which can be found anywhere today.
The changes have to be well thought out and all aspects taken in to account. There has been in some projects no joined up thinking at all. The Kings Dock will be a major financial success (that is all many think about) because of the 10,000 seater arena and conference centre, but it is as hell of a visual let down. See:
Kings Dock How Not to Do it
The dock system is "interconnected" and the biggest of its type in the world. Ships can move from dock to dock 24 hours a day irrespective of tide levels - Liverpool has the 4th highest tidal range in the world.
The Liverpool city waterfront is one of the most distinctive in the world and by far the best in Europe so far, and getting better. When you see it is says, "this is Liverpool". We must maintain that distinction and that can be done with modern buildings too.
Have a look at the Time Team TV programme on Liverpool's first dock - and a decent piece on the history of the city.
Part 1 YouTube - A Time Team Special - The Lost Dock Of Liverpool Pt1
Part 2 YouTube - A Time Team Special - The Lost Dock Of Liverpool Pt2
Part 3 YouTube - A Time Team Special - The Lost Dock Of Liverpool Pt3
Part 4 YouTube - A Time Team Special - The Lost Dock Of Liverpool Pt4
Part 5 YouTube - A Time Team Special - The Lost Dock Of Liverpool Pt5
Thank you so much for your quick reply and those links! I'll check them out later on.
Has anyone any web sites that list the timetables of cruise ships docking in Liverpool
Cruise CalendarQuote:
Originally Posted by tezmac
Looking forwards to the QE2's final visit on 3rd October
LIVERPOOL?S latest flagship waterfront building was pushed through planning despite warnings it was at ?high risk of flooding?. Read
Of course it's not just the new ferry terminal which is at risk of flooding. What about the new Liverpool Museum and other new structures built on the waterfront.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
lol, I thought that too. In fact the whole of the Pier Head!
MOTHER OF GOD THAT IS HORRIBLE! What a totally ugly, unimaginative building. It's a bloody 1960s concrete bunker of a box.
I pity the achitect, he has clearly spent too much time at the Le Corbousier exhibition.
I welcome the floods that thing could get.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
It really is a horrid looking building, although I guess it fits in well with the concrete canal extension.
I'm sure we'll grow to love it, just like the superlambanana. Can anyone say they didn't think WTF when they first saw that and now we'll defend it to anyone that doesn't think it's great lol
Well aesthetically..................................bad as The Mons!!!!
All it needs is a floodlit Lambanana on the top,and it will be sound.:unibrow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev