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Saw this on whitefield road next to the Peel pub.
but on closed inspection there seems to be rail tracks embeded in the road, there to small to be a rail/tram track, could be a small track for a works. anyone any ideas.
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That was the entrance to Barker & Dobson's sweet factory.Quote:
Originally Posted by drone_pilot
Thanks for that do you have any images of the FactoryQuote:
That was the entrance to Barker & Dobson's sweet factory.
Found photos at the Records Office and am closer to identifying the house I'm looking for, possibly No. 42, but would love to find more photos of this road to be sure it's the right house. Any more ideas would be gratefully received.
Saw this on today, off Breck road, its blocked at both ends and has yellow lines and a no parking sign, do you thing there trying to tell you something?
what about hodson street the only bit left of it is now been closed off for years it crosses the old waterloo tunnel cutting at fontenoy street
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The view from my office window.
Name of the street please , answers on a postcard etc!
Rob
Off Sefton St Rob ?Quote:
Originally Posted by MerseysideTransportTrust
Nope a bit nearer YOUR area!(HINT look in the background!)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerard
Rob
Hi
Does anyone have any information on Clevedon terrace south street toxteth? I am researching my ancestors and they were living here in 1851 but I can only find a Clevedon street
any information would be gratefully received
Thanks
karen
South St is next to Clevedon St, so it was possibly a block/row of houses called Clevedon Terrace that ran between the 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by toothfairy
It doesn't show on my 1967 map, and I haven't got an Toxteth OS map yet, I should be getting 1 next week so I'll have a look for you when I get it. Unless someone already has one and can look.
This was Florist St. One set of my maternal gt grandparents lived there.
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I remember the sign still being up a couple of years ago, but didn't know at the time they'd lived there.
They also lived in Lovat St and Mason St.
got Toxteth OS 1906 map today, but sadly it only goes up the very start of South St and Clevedon St...bummer.Quote:
Originally Posted by toothfairy
so the full streets will either be on Princess Park 1905 or St Michaels 1908 OS map, neither of which I have.
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Originally Posted by drone_pilot
Had my first legal drink in the Peel. Threlfalls House IIRC.
Had a Threlfalls Brown Mix.
Lived in Hearwood Street and Granparents lived in Lombard Street.
Nice Chippy oposite the Peel. Jack Garnets. Made plenty of cash feeding the girls from B & D at dinner times.
Phredd
Re: Clevedon Terrace:
This is shown on an old map as being just South of the Admiral Street/Devonshire Road junction. It looks to be just South of the Church. Next door to Clevedon Terrace is St. Pauls Terrace. It looks like the end of Clevedon Street was directly opposite it.
Re: Clevedon Terrace
I think this is it, but it's hard to see the writing.
Admiral Street/South Street junction:
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Now that looks pretty weird! I wonder if there are many more useless "streets" like that? lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by drone_pilot
Dave.
Wow-TWO streetlights for such a redundant street! lol. Then again the A-Z says there's a bridge over the canal at the end,so that's probably why!
Dave.
Taking this thread a bit beyond the closed / truncated streets - there are some places in Liverpool and the suburbs where one comes across streets / roads which do not look as though they have been completed.
Perhaps the development plans of the early 20th Century did not all come to fruition.
I am just some that come to mind:
The unfinished Hartley Avenue which fades out into a track as it passes the old factory site and crosses the abandoned railway. I once saw this marked on a map once as "unfinished road".
Blackmoor Drive - north end - looks as though it was intended to go through into Aysgarth Ave or perhaps join up with Darley Drive - follow the line on Google Earth and you will see what I mean.
On Melwood Drive there is a short stub road which ends in a sandstone wall which looks older than the early 20C semis in the area. On the other side of the wall Croxteth Park.
Moving to the south side of the city there is a short stub road off Fallowfield road which looks as though it would have entered the former Smithdown Road Destructor Plant site / council yard which is now part of the Penny La retail park. Even when the council site was open there was no through road here.
There is also an interesting road which cuts across Elmsdale, Queesdale and Kingsdale Road. No houses have front doors onto this road which ends abruptly behind a Queens Drive semi.
Further south is the over engineered road leading to Speke Hall - Speke Hall Ave. Whilst this has come into its own since the expansion of the airport - how many can remember back in the years prior to the mid 80s when this was a dual carraigeway to nowhere despit it having been built in the late 1930s.
There are probably many other "Unfinished Roads" around Liverpool - but they are worth looking out for.
Perhaps some defunct plans revealing the full intentions of past planners lie in a dusty drawer somewhere?
John
Kings Drive is probably the best example in Liverpool.
Start of Kings Drive is a dual carriageway until a different council got in and decided that just past (what is now Sainsburys), that we didn't need a dual carriageway so we'll keep it to single lane.
A massive section of grass appears here but then another council got in and decided that near the bottom of Kings Drive, they'd have a dual carriageway again.
And then lastly, another council got in and decided that the roundabout at the bottom of Kings Drive wasn't going to happen, nor was the cut through the loop line which should have joined the other side of Kings Drive up (single lane - massive grassy area).
The biggest fun and games is where Hunts Cross Avenue stops at one side, didn't link to the supposed roundabout, and the other section of Hunts Cross Avenue is as wide as a motorway yet is classed as a 'side' road!
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Brodie Ave was planned to join Queens Drive near Liverpool College, Mossley Hill. It never did of courseQuote:
Originally Posted by irishseashipping.com
[QUOTE=Cadfael;153295]Kings Drive is probably the best example in Liverpool.
Yes this is a good example checking it out on Google Earth one can see just how strange it is. I presume a similar fate befel Princess Drive - dual carraigeway at the Deysbrook and Huyton ends but strangely single carraigeway in the middle though wide enough to provide for DC all the way.
John
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Originally Posted by taffy
I never realised this - however it is strange the way it feeds into Rathmore Ave (north bound) and is accessed by Templemore (south bound).
Presumably the "more" roads were in place before construction of Brodie Ave?
The construction through to Queens Drive would certainly have changed the landscape around the Elmsley and Palmerston road areas sigificantly.
John
I'm always fascinated by the way that Queens Drive ends at a small roundabout in Mossley Hill/Aigburth.
There was plans to continue this road all the way to Aigburth Road but this never happened.
Until Aigburth Vale was blocked off to build those maisonettes which I think happened around 1971 ish there was almost direct access to Aigburth Road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cadfael
I never understood the logic of blocking Aigburth Vale which was very much a through route and as a consequence forcing traffice to go round the bottom part of Carnatic Road into Victoria Road / Ashfield Road. Just really wasn't logical!
John
Maybe because some very large and expensive houses, with rich and influential people in them, would need demolishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by taffy
Those boulevards were designed with wide central grass reservations to have a twin tram tracks. Menlove, Mather, Utting Aves, etc had trams in the centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cadfael
Hunts X Av was supposed to merge onto Woolton Rd at Gatacre Brow and I believe Woolton road was to be a boulevard too, going onto Queens Drive. Hunts X Ave is a boulevard and is a dead end just before the brow, with buildings between the end and the Brow. At the other "far" end, not where it meets Kings Drive, Hunts X Ave stops at Woolton Golf course, This was to continue over to Speke Rd, making one boulevard from Queens Drive using Woolton Rd then Hunts X Ave at Gateacre and then onto Speke. Large sections were built.
Kings Drive was to sweep right into Garston and provision was made for that right through to Garston - the other Woolton Rd and other Allerton Rd running into Horrocks Ave at Garston are the continuation and all one long continuous wide reservation boulevard, crossing Menlove Ave, Mather Ave, Brodie Ave and Speak Rd boulevards as well as Garston tram sheds
John Brodie designed the boulevards in the Liverpool's suburbs. And they all were to have trams in the centre as many did. He viewed the tram and the boulevards as social engineering, to get people out into clean fresh suburbs from the overcrowded slums in the centre. The fast trams would keep people in touch with the centre.
Trams were abandoned in 1957 and the nice wide boulevards were left. Menlove Ave has mature tress all around the space now. Utting, Townsend Aves etc should have had more trees planted as these sometimes look wide and windswept.
Merseyrail has taken over from trams and can be extensively extended using disused track, trackbed and stations. The districts where Merseyrail does not serve, the boulevards can be dug up and cheap cut and cover tunnels put under, with trains just under the surface and station platforms a few steps down - as they did in Paris and Budapest. Stations there are at bus stop intervals.
We possess in the shape of our underground Merseyrail system an absolute jewel that should be the centre of all of our transport plans. Our problem is we do not make the most of what we already have and what others cities drool over. The city has no idea how to use this legacy of disused rail and boulevard infrastructure to extend Merseyrail and give the Liverpool region a highly comprehensive rapid transit rail system - think London Tube. All that is needed is an overall plan and this can be staged in starting from the centre using nearly 4 miles of disused tunnels.
Because of his work on Liverpool's boulevards, John Brodie was asked to design those in New Deli.
Very informative post, WW. Thanks for taking the time to type it.
Dunlops was around there. Previously the Rootes aircraft plant. It assembled and tested US planes in WW2 that came over in knock down form, mainly P51 Mustangs. The boulevard would have been very handy for trucking the planes in from the docks. The boulevard was handy for traffic going through Hale village to Widnes.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishseashipping.com
The boulevard was meant to service factories that were never built, as airport expansion was marked up in the 1950s.
Drinking fountains were also placed at strategic points on Brodies boulevards too (usually at x roads with other main roads) and property developers had to pay a frontage tax to build houses along these 'exclusive' stretches and so making them self financing.
Amazing. Who wants to live on a dual carriagway these days?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
Aye. Traffic wasn't so bad back then eh but it meant the rich could move between towns easier, not as in stateley home rich of course :)
The tax is a good idea and used in other countries to finance public works projects. If temporary property tax was put on the "sale" of homes in the immediate vicinity of London's underground Jubilee Line underground stations, they would have paid for the line about 4 times over. Property prices went up by around 25% in many cases being so close to the tube station.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
Some tax like that should be used to extend Merseyrail.
[QUOTE=irishseashipping.com;153348]Princess Drive is an odd one, considering all of that was pretty much a blank canvas when the roads were laid out. I'm not sure where it was intended to go, it just kind of peters out at the Deysbrook end. Looking at Google Earth the Huyton end dual-carriageway bit starts 'over the border' in Knowsley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cadfael
[QUOTE=tpoo22;153444]But over the border in Knowsley (at Page Moss) are some of the Liverpool Corporation Overspill Estates.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishseashipping.com
Was there a tramline running up Princess Drive??? I know Page Moss was a big interchange for the trams, but I don't know much about the routes.
well this sign had me reaching for the A-Z!
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I'd never heard of it...it's off the Strand
Well spotted. I've not seen this sign either. Red Cross Street got truncated post WW2 German aerial bombing of the area. It used to lead up to near the Queen Victoria MemorialQuote:
Originally Posted by quincyg
ah yes just found it on my 1906 central map.:PDT11Quote:
Originally Posted by taffy
just spotted another long gone one on the map too, near St Nick's...Prison Weint. never heard of a Weint before
Red Cross street is still there in part and in my ten year old A-Z. Pics of this and Ogden's Weint, Prison Weint and Litherland Alley are on my site below.
Pre war and post war pages.
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