[QUOTE=Gnomie;47752]It is impossible to please everyone. There are always going to be people who complain. The fact is, alot of lives have improved or are being improved by major projects outside the city centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK1
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[QUOTE=Gnomie;47752]It is impossible to please everyone. There are always going to be people who complain. The fact is, alot of lives have improved or are being improved by major projects outside the city centre.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK1
Dont know how you will reply but it took me to prompt you on it while your going on about how grand it be will when its all done..Shame on you.
It was impossible to do anything until LFC finalised their plans and confirmed exactly what the plan was going to be. It would be pointless refurbishing empty houses only to find out that LFC wanted to demolish them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnomie
Some work has actually been done. Some of the 60's houses across the road from the stadium have been extensively refurbished.
Oakfield road up to breck road remains untouched, how big is the ground.
Isn't that how this works? You talk about an issue, which leads to other issues being raised which you then talk about. If you look on the main Urban Developments page you will see a post that I placed called Outside City Centre, where I asked people to show images of projects outside the city centre and to talk about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerard
I talked about an Issue and you never commented on it until I prompted you.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK1
You were more Interested in Going on about How Lovely it would be and you never even Commented on that Lady's plight..
As I said..Shame on you..
Never mind Real peoples plights Eh..Lets talk about How Lovely Stanley dock will be for the priveledged who can afford the £400,000 or whatever they will cost.
I'll say it again...Shame on you.
Im shuttin up before we start a war:eek:
Yes its great the building will be saved. whatever we all think about its use.
Gerard i think it would be best to start a thread on the ladys plight, im sure it will recieve plenty of post.
Okay, that's your opinion, but no mater what you think, I do actually care about peoples' plight. All I am trying to say is that no matter where you are, there are always going to be people who suffer in some way and yes, something should be done about it and it is unacceptable. I wouldn't like it if it was me. I just don't like it when people use individual cases when talking about an issue. Yes she is in a very bad situation, but there are a hell of alot more who are in improving situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerard
Done Gerard.
its on me quote on your reply mate. you will have to adjust it.
You dont like it when people use Individual Situations..Who is going to speak up for the likes of this woman...Definately not the likes of you who are more concerned about Lovely New Apartments and bringing people in from out of town.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK1
Listen..I think me and you had better leave this at this..Id get up and walk away from you if you said that in a Pub..And so would half the Pub if they were decent people..End of on a good note.
yes, it is good that the building will be saved - that is the most important thing regardless of it's use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnomie
As for that lady -- I don't know how she copes with living in those surroundings. I couldn't stand it.
OK, I do think it's good that you are highlighting this womans problem and as I said, her situation is completely unacceptable. Sorry if I have caused any offence, I didn't mean any.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerard
Hey guys we have all had our say.
group hug :hug:
am going mad or did i read in the paper a while back that they wanted to turn Stanley Dock into a museum, with actors playing the role of old workers?
be kind about the going mad bit.
Taken the photies off...
It will be in the Echo before She wants it there if the last hour is anything to go by !!
Ged post 48. its on my quote. you will have to snap it mate.
this sounds dodgy :rolleyes: Kev its not honest:)
Stop it !!!..Got me feeling guity now..My appologies AK.Quote:
Originally Posted by AK1
Can I just say, with no relevance to the previous issue that I do agree that there should be more things for people to do, see and explore, instead of just turning everything into apartments. The city must be opened up for the public to use and enjoy!
You don't have to apologise. Nothing you said was offensive, it is just your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerard
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Originally Posted by Gnomie
Done !!
What lady?
As I said before, I'm sure I see the connection between Stanley Dock and Anfield, etc. The firms funding these developments aren't charities coming to Liverpool to 'help out', they're coming to make money. I.e. they'll invest in a development and reap the rewards. Building houses in Anfield just wouldn't be as lucrative for these companies.
Yes it may sound harsh, but such is life. However, the bonus for Liverpool is that (if nothing else) three empty virtually disused warehouses are being converted into something good. This brings employment (if only temporary), more business to the area and will help to make Liverpool a nicer place by regenerating a rundown area, and also raising the loca house prices in the long run (yes, ****e if you moved out in the 1980s, but good if you stayed put).
I am absolutely delighted AK with the way our City is going forward and the Developments that are under construction,We will soon have a town as good as any and something for My Grandkids to be proud of..(When they come along !)
I'm not having a go at New apartment develpments just for the sake of it..
I would really like to know though when Houses are going to get built for Ordinary people..
Anyone who says Ordinary people can afford whats going to be developed in Stanley Dock are Kidding themselves,Or just wont admit it..Theyr'e gonna cost at least £400,000 by the time they are finished.
Can anyone answer this one...Where and when was a traditional Housing estate last put up in Liverpool..I cant remember..
Otterspool !!..I dunno..
I agree, these apartments won't be affordable to the average joe, but there will be people in Liverpool who can afford them. When I said there are houses being built and refurbished, they are actually being built now. Ellergreen in norris green, numerous houses under refurbishment in kenny and houses being built in toxteth. There are also houses and apartments being built all over the city that are shared ownership only, specifically for low income or first time buyers.
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People are even being taken out of Council dwellings to make them into Yuppie apartments..
That cant be right !!...
Right, I'm not going to stir up any more arguments. Instead, here are some photos taken from various places over the last year, plus a few from inside the south warehouse.
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http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/sdock/2.jpg
http://tk41.powweb.com/photos/sdock/3.jpg
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Dock market fear for jobs
Mar 28 2007
by Nick Coligan, Liverpool Echo
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LIVERPOOL’S Sunday heritage market could be moved elsewhere in the city if its Stanley Dock home is redeveloped.
The weekly event will have to leave its historic waterfront home if multi-million pound plans to transform the old tobacco warehouse are approved.
But owner Kitgrove hopes to hold talks with Liverpool council about its future and possible relocation.
The market will have to move because the new plan, unveiled by the ECHO yesterday, involves digging out the centre of the main warehouse to create a garden courtyard.
All three buildings on the Grade II-listed site would then be converted into apartments.
Kitgrove’s agent David Smith said: “If we get planning permission, we would not start work until late 2008 or the beginning of 2009 at the earliest.
“I envisage that we would start discussions with the council regarding the future of the heritage market over the course of the next two years.
“I do not think there is any real need to have firm proposals at the moment, because we have plenty of time.”
But traders are already concerned about what the future holds for their businesses.
Dash Sidhu, who has run a ladies fashion stall at the heritage market for 15 years, said: “This is not really a surprise – it has been on the cards for a long while.
“There are a lot of people who will be worried about their jobs if it closes.”
Kitgrove’s plan was welcomed today by community leaders, who hope it will boost the regeneration of deprived north Liverpool.
Kirkdale councillor Joe Hanson said: “We want to see this site developed because it looks derelict at the moment.”
What you have to say
Andy Salter, 42, of Litherland says: “Something needs to be done with that site. They didn’t have much space inside the old Tobacco Warehouse, so it would be interesting to see what they do with it.”
Kaylei Cook, 18, Walton: “It’s a great idea. It looks so scruffy down there. I used to live by that area so I know it would be a good thing. With the Capital of Culture, why not?”
Kim Romano, 42, Liverpool: “I don’t think they should just tear apart a monument to Liverpool’s history, they should build a museum there or something. The Heritage Market is part of who we are.”
Anita Hale, 34, Everton: “The old buildings need to go. The Heritage Market is old and cold anyway, I never go down there. They should get rid of it as soon as possible.”
Michael Newton, 48, Northwich says: “I think more shops is a bad idea. We’ve got enough as it is. And after this, they’ll just keep on building, it’s ridiculous.”
Jed James, 46, who runs a butcher’s stall in St Johns Market, says: “If the Stanley Dock reconstruction affects livelihoods then it’s definitely a bad thing. Too many jobs are being lost these days.”
nick.coligan@liverpool.com
Source: icLiverpool
Stupid cow. I bet she reads Heat magazine. How can you not appreciate such a spectacular building?Quote:
Originally Posted by Howie
This bloke's missed the point a bit. You can't justify keeping three buildings almost virtually empty just to keep some market traders on the ground floor happy. I'm sure there are plenty of places nearby the market could be relocated to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howie
I would be nice if they did some organised tours of the main warehouse before conversion, but no doubt they won't...
All I have to say is that its as good as its going to get!
However, wont these plans come into conflict with the Liverpool Waters Scheme?
EDIT: Why are they making a fuss about the Heritage Market? I heard that they were going to re-locate the market somewhere else!
Whatever happened to the top floor of St John's after the fire. It always bemused me why the Church Street stall holders and/or the council didn't see this space as obvious, is it a danger or something, it's not in use is it or have I been walking around with my eyes shut?
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Originally Posted by Howie
Great pics Snappel.
My great grandfather was a PRESSMAN here. im wondering what all the machinery is.
Really? The machinery shown there in the first two pictures are presses. The first is a hydraulic one, and the second is a set of screw presses. These are all in the south warehouse. On the ground floor of the Tobacco Warehouse are the remains of another set of screw presses.
If your grandfather was a 'pressman', then I'm guessing he would have operated this equipment. Tobacco was stored in 'hogshead' containers, and the lids had to be pressed on. Interestingly the Tobacco warehouse was designed around the dimensions of the hogsheads, and this accounts for the low ceilings - something which will provide an interesting challenge for the architects!
I don't suppose your grandfather is still alive, or left any memoirs did he? I've been having very little luck finding accounts from people who worked in the warehouses.
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Originally Posted by snappel
Great photographs as usual, Snappel. I was wondering if you might have close ups of that graffiti on the black boarding to the right of the door (a monkey's face?) and of the number above the door. Thanks in advance.
Chris
Sorry Chris, I don't have any. I'll ask a couple of other people who were with me if they can help. I'd like to spend a day in there really and go over the place in better detail.
Okay, just thought I would ask in case you happened to focus in on them.Quote:
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Chris
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Cheers Snappel:PDT_Piratz_26:
can i copy the pics to my computer please.
It was my great Grandfather who worked there as a Pressman. he also worked as a Oil Pressman but ive not found out where.
He is long gone Snappel, Germans got him in WW1, 1917:tear:
but here he is in Uniform.
http://h1.ripway.com/andalucia/family/johnhogan.jpg
A brave man then - he has my respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gnomie
Yes, certainly copy the photos. I'll try and do a new thread on the Stanley warehouses (all three) in the Urban Exploration section and put up a better selection of pictures.
Thanks Snappel.
I would love to get in to see this stuff, great pics:handclap:
Here's a prime example of who can afford to live in these luxury dwellings:Quote:
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L'pool Echo. Wednesday:
... guns, drugs and ammunition were found. the Matrix team swooped at the exclusive Beetham Tower, Old hall st.
Makes you wonder doesn't it. What you have to be to afford one of those luxury places.
Well, you'd have to be a high flying exec with a large salary; or a loadsa' money gangsta' ... I don't think those places are for the average Joe Bloggs are they :unibrow:
Well, my point was that either the gangsters or execs could be local to Liverpool.
Anyway, I think it's all about supply and demand. Right now there's a big market for that kind of accomodation. Due to house price rises, even if more developments were started in the suburbs, they'd still be quite pricey.
Yes, that's true enough. The cost of housing in the suburbs is ridiculous. Prices of property - even the humble terrace is way out.
A new build detached - some astronomical figure.