That's what I told her......architectural investigation!:034:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oudeis
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That's what I told her......architectural investigation!:034:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oudeis
8 pints???? I'd be looking for the marble toilets!(from the Phil'):retard:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
One thing that did surprise me was when I went down to the cellar system, it seemed far bigger than the footprint of the building.
Is that what you call 'Under' Investigation?
I think you are right about the gates George! I seem to remember gates with a load of rubbish building up behind them.
Maybe they removed the gates to keep it clear, in case of fire?
Maybe the entranceway was just for upstairs access?
I know I'm right Samp. :unibrow:
In post #28click the link save the photo and zoomin on that far right area of the pub.
You can just barely make out the square iron work going up the side of the wall.
Gore's 1911 - Lime Street, Liverpool.
79 Lime Street - "P. Lloyd Rees - warehousemen"
81 & 83 Lime Street - "Cain's Lime Street Hotel" [The Vines].
D a m n,thought I had it sussed for a minute there....Google Satallite won't zoom in very close to look at the layout of the pub fro man arial perspective,this might have shown the yard area at the back of the pub and adjoining premises?
So much for Google,pffft!
Wooh,an old map reveals that there was just the vines as one big public house or there was another public house directly at the side of the vines.
And I wus right them doors were an allyway/throughfair to Bolton Street at the back of the vines :unibrow: so basically whats through them doors was the vines back entrance and the adjoining pub,this would then make sense that the wall was a dividing line between both pubs?
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Originally Posted by George
That's 75, George.
The doorway under discussion is 79.
Here's what we know.
75, 77 and 79 was the Pavilion pub in 1890.
It had closed down by 1900, when it was occupied thus:
75 had one occupant.
75A had three occupants.
77 to 87 was "Vines Alfred Beard & Son, wine and spirit merchants. John G Henderson, proprietor."
The numbering of Lime Street is the same today, and The Vines is 81 to 87 (occupying the same 'footprint' it had in 1890).
The current Vines was built in 1907.
It looks like the Vines bought out the Pavilion pub sometime in the 1890s.
Even today we are still looking at the front of the Pavilion, but the ground floor has been split up.
Try the aerial view on bing maps, doesn't get much closer but its alot clearerQuote:
Originally Posted by George
http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&where1...gdom&encType=1
Source of the map please George http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/announcement.php?f=21. If its from leverpoole, please remove :)Quote:
Originally Posted by George
Kev.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
www.leverpoole has his watermark all over his maps, so we can be sure it's not from his site.
The map is the 25" OS map of 1890 that I've referred to, and is probably from the Record Office.
For some reason I can't add attachments.
If I click on 'Add File from Computer' nothing happens.
The map shows both pubs that I've referred to.
Cheers quent,
I have to double-check to respect the wishes of site owners.
Kev
Yo liverpool past threads. pmslQuote:
Source of the map please George
pmsl? Cheers for that, until further notice your posts now have to be moderated by me first before they appear.Quote:
Originally Posted by George
1890 1/500 OS map.
1969 50" OS map.
Both from Liverpool Record Office.
Ok delete my account then.
By now
Thanks, Dazza.
We're now waiting for somebody to report what the Big House knows about it.
George, come back you forgot your dummy.Quote:
Originally Posted by George
From time to time I feel that there is not enough 'Rhoo'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhoobarb
Excellent posts Quentin,and Dazza!The whole block is a bit of a mish-mash,looking at those aerial views! Architectural investigation should begin tonight,but possibly tomorrow!:unibrow:
Thanks, Steve.Quote:
Originally Posted by wsteve55
It was a bit of a learning curve for me, too.
I love doing research and coming up with something.
This 1967 pic shows part of the building between the Scala and The Vines, but I have nothing showing the whole thing.
Source, - dusashenka
Well,I didn't actually make it,after "her indoors" suggested I phone the "Vines"!(had to settle for the "Bug",instead!) The manager told me that the doors to that part of the pub(to the left) was the entrance to the hotel,above,which hasn't been used for some time,but said they had planning permission,which implied some sort of activity,for this,in the future? She wasn't aware of any pub ever being next door,but being Irish,she probably wouldn't be that knowledgable of it's history,though she did know the place was named after the original owner,a Mr. Vines,and that they still posessed the building plans!She was quite amenable,though busy,so I thought I might get some pic's of the room layout,etc,in the future?:unibrow:
Great pic' Sirob,but the bit we're after,is just a touch to the right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sirob
Nice one Steve.
I was going to mention the hotel part, it's mentioned in one of Tom Slemen's stories, but I didn't think it would be the answer so kept quiet.
Was it the story to do with some spirits? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhoobarb
:D Nah it was to do with a jewel thief who escaped from the Adelphi to the Vines hotel via a rope or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
I remember it now. Book 14, story No. 42. It was tarzan.
His chimp - chee chee later went on to another pub in Mathew st and called it the planet of the 'Grapes'.
Ha,should have guessed old Tom would have solved/invented the mystery first!:018:
Two postcards from my collection.
The previous Adelphi and the previous to 1907 Vines.
1876 is when this Adelphi was built - the postcard is c1902-05.
Lime Street.
Card posted in 1927.
This is about the best view of the former Pavilion pub.
It's obvious that it was one building at some time.
Came across this pic' of the old Adelphi,which also shows a pub' next to it,which I guess, is the original"Vines" building,or is it,as it looks more like the style of the "Pavillion"?
Pic' courtesy of C.E. Kelly.
Well done you you, you terrier you.Quote:
Originally Posted by wsteve55
What is the Neo-Classical pillared building in the distance? and why two S's in 'Jacobss'?
This could run-and-run. :)
That's St.George's hall,a pretty good example,dont you think? (and still there!) Don't know about the S's,though!:unibrow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oudeis
The store owner's name was Jacobs. So the shop was Jacobs's. Just like Lewis's and Rushworth and Dreaper's.
C
Did Jacobs's's's's move to or from renshaw st ? there's a photo in last nights echo of Jacobs's at the end of the block after lewis'sQuote:
Originally Posted by wsteve55
I have come across the possessive apostrophe, dear Chris. For a time I thought I could see it under one of the windows, maybe not though. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge