In "Liverpool 800" (2006), edited by John Belchem (p354), it says:
(St Andrews Church) "...has recently been rescued through compulsory purchase".
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In "Liverpool 800" (2006), edited by John Belchem (p354), it says:
(St Andrews Church) "...has recently been rescued through compulsory purchase".
Don't worry - that building is going on my 'Liverpool Buildings at Risk' website when I've got a mo. Why aren't there enough hours in the day! :disgust: :)
I would like to apologise to Missinformed for the way I spoke to Her Yesterday,I Dont normally talk to women like that and I wouldn't like anyone Talking to my Wife like that.It was out of order and its been playing on my mind.
Sorry Girl and Good luck..
And No..I haven't been on the Guinness...
The lastest I heard was that legal proceedings were suspended as the owner stated he had sold the property to his father...the funny thing is his father has the same name, so this has confused the Councils' legal team.
I'm not sure if it was concerned with a C.P.O. or an Urgent Works Notice. This was only recently, so some information may still be on the internet...Echo site, maybe.
Here's a link the Liverpool Echo site...the owner knows all the delaying tactics.
http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/l...name_page.html
Thanks for that, Marky.
It's all very interesting, but rather depressing.
All it seems to say about each building is: "Nothing is going to happen at the moment".
The Florrie for instance - work will not start until December.
Why can't they put a roof on it? They've got enough money!
At least a new roof was put on the Scandinavian Hotel.
Guys, has it ever been suggested that mckenzie and co, including pryramid, should be moved and reenterred, in a more suitable resting place? as previously stated i dont feel these tombs, will figure in developers plans, if / when the ball rolls, ps ,from another location i think this should be done for williamson to., or am i talking rubbish?
With Williamson, don't forget it's not just his grave, he is 'on the top' of the vault with his wife beneath - also buried (and written on the stone is) -
In Memory of Richard Tate
Who departed this life 7th May
1787 In the 51st Year of his Age
Also Ann Tate, the Mother of the
above Richard Tate, died the 6th
Day of October 1791 In the 76th Year
of her Age
Hannah Tate the Wife of RichD Tate
died 29th July 1796 Aged 59 Years.
Also the Remains of Elizabeth
Daughter of Richard and Hannah
Tate, and Wife of Joseph Williamson
of Edge Hill who departed this life
the 3rd Day of October 1822.
Aged 56 Years
Also the Remains of Richard, the
Youngest Son of the above Richard
and Hannah Tate, who died 7 June
1826, Aged 56 Years.
Also the Remains of
Joseph Williamson of Edge Hill
Who died the 1st May 1840
Aged 71 Years
Hello Simon
I am at this time writing a Bicentennial History of the St. Andrew's Society of Baltimore, founded in 1806, so I am knee deep in Scotsmen in kilts. I should think there should be some interest among such Scottish societies in seeing that the chapel, garden, and graveyard, are restored and properly maintained.
Chris
Hiya Chris, would be great to see the place restored, however on close inspection, it just looks to far gone, get yer kilt on when your over and we can protest to the powers that be,dressed as highlanders:celb (23):
ooohhh count me in! :celb (23):
Its not too far gone yet.......
LJMU's plans were very good and left the graves where they were. The refurbished/restored building had been planned to be the main ceremonial entrance into the Uni's 'Quad' area behind, so the green area of the graveyard is not needed as public green space and can be left as is. If you look at the white 'library' behind, it is planned with this in mind and the glazed central part of the elevation would act as the link between the 2 buildings. As the inside of the building is empty, the brick walls behind the sandstone facade could be rebuilt easily as there is nothing else of note while the sunday school on the opposite side is in OK condition as far as refurbs go.
Apart from Tom Slemen and Frank Carlisle and the growth of an urban myth does anyone know of any pre-80's sources of this story. I was watching a tv programme a couple of years ago (I wish I had noted the details) but the church was a long way from liverpool, down south I think and the local church had exactly the same story...i.e. bloke in tomb seated at table with hand of cards
Tom Slemen is not as early as the 1980s, but it was in the 1980s when "Villages of Liverpool" by Derek Whale came out (but offhand, I can't remember if DW mentions the grave).
But I think the story of MacKenzies tomb is even earlier than that.
There's no reason to believe that the story about somebody being buried sitting up is untrue - if you had the money, I'm sure there would have been no problems.
I heard he was playing his cards close to his chest though.
When I went on the shiverpool tour the other week the guides said all the ghostly locations had been corrobrated by a number of witnesses, in what I saw as a side swipe at Tom Slemen. They took us to this tomb and said that a number of years ago (may have been in the 70s) it was broken into and the tomb had to be resecured, and that police reports described a skeleton slumped forward holding a hand of cards.
The tomb break in of the 1970's still sounds a bit of hearsay if you ask me, that shoudl at elast be traceable thorugh the echo I would have thought. The church wasnt derelict then for a start off, did he have a rod up his back to make him sit up,otherwise it would ahve been more of a slump?
how did his hand keep hold of the cards (they didnt have staple guns then), etc etc, the cards would have been card or linen so they would well have rotten,
I think it s a great story, yeah its a great "story" but I'd file it under urban myth, i.e. made up embroidered, and then printed in one of TS's books...... thats enough for now Scully...
I call a spade a spade but surely in your heart of hearts you must know that as the skin on his fingers rotted away, so the cards would have fell to the floor or am I the only one in the sceptic club (sorry couldn't think of where diamond could fit in there even though the others are bad enough) :shock:
You're a diamond geezer Gerard mate. I can feel a Max Bygraves song coming on.....
when they opened the tomb did he throw his hand in, fold or twist or stick, I think Tom might know the answer....... it couldn have been texsas hold em as he'd lost his grip on life.... who you gonna call "Mythbusters"