Goths

The original point I was making was not whether Goths are better than Scallies or vice versa. It was about huge amounts of young people hanging round the Victoria monument on a Saturday afternoon. If it were Scallies doing this I would have the same opinion. The fact is that the Victoria monument has been defaaced in the past and the Goths cause a lot of noise and look unruly.

I agree many of these young people are probably very intelligent, but somewhere should be provided for them rather than Derby Square.

Kids are going to hang out in huge groups anyway, rather it would somewhere like town or a park than a residential area. Yes they should be tackled regarding the graffiti, but as long as there not causing trouble or intimidating passers by then i don't see the problem. No matter were they go, someone will still moan.

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Originally Posted by Suburban

The original point I was making was not whether Goths are better than Scallies or vice versa. It was about huge amounts of young people hanging round the Victoria monument on a Saturday afternoon. If it were Scallies doing this I would have the same opinion. The fact is that the Victoria monument has been defaaced in the past and the Goths cause a lot of noise and look unruly.

I agree many of these young people are probably very intelligent, but somewhere should be provided for them rather than Derby Square.

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Didn't they have Quiggins? Or that area anyway?

the other thing is that the scateboarders go there too and try and jump off the steps, I am sure someone's going to get seriously injured there one day.

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Originally Posted by wallasey

Didn't they have Quiggins? Or that area anyway?

the other thing is that the scateboarders go there too and try and jump off the steps, I am sure someone's going to get seriously injured there one day.

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As long as its only themselves there injuring. Not be like the Scallies going round on bikes and whatever knocking people over.

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Originally Posted by wallasey

Didn't they have Quiggins? Or that area anyway?

the other thing is that the scateboarders go there too and try and jump off the steps, I am sure someone's going to get seriously injured there one day.

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Quiggins, near the Bluecoat, is blocked off now.
It's going to get demolished.

I wish goths really had magic powers so they could teach me them.

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Originally Posted by wallasey

the other thing is that the scateboarders go there too and try and jump off the steps, I am sure someone's going to get seriously injured there one day.

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My goodness! Really?
LOL!

For those of you who missed message 25, the Quiggins shops are now in Central Hall, Renshaw Street and it's here you can find them in their droves too, particularly hanging around in the doorway. To me, they offer no threat but I agree that perhaps a space could be made for them and skateboarders perhaps.

Quiggins were originally ironmongers and built a shop at 75 Renshaw Street in Edwardian times.
By the 1980s it was an antique shop.
They moved to School Lane to much bigger premises in the County Palatine Building.
It was a great favourite with Goths, among others.
It is due to be demolished as part of the Paradise Project, so Quigggins have taken up residence at Central Hall in Renshaw Street.
They hope to move to John Lewis (formerly G H Lee) when JL move to their new building in Canning Place.

So they'll be in Williamson Square next year. :shock: :)

Has'nt Quiggins moved to the building that used to be the Barcelona nightclub?

I don't see a problem them congregating round that particular area. So what. As long as they move out your way when you going past and not up to anything bad. They prob feel safer in large numbers.

I worked in Quiggins in Renshaw street when it sold hardware Phil, 1979 ish, brass door handles, nuts, bolts, screws, nails etc just like Campbell and Mabbs and Thomas and Nelson, I think that was 74a or 75 Renshaw st.

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Originally Posted by Suburban

The original point I was making was not whether Goths are better than Scallies or vice versa. It was about huge amounts of young people hanging round the Victoria monument on a Saturday afternoon. If it were Scallies doing this I would have the same opinion. The fact is that the Victoria monument has been defaaced in the past and the Goths cause a lot of noise and look unruly.

I agree many of these young people are probably very intelligent, but somewhere should be provided for them rather than Derby Square.

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Derby Square is such a soulless place at weekends. It needs more Goths nor less! :Colorz_Grey_PDT_16:

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Originally Posted by Ged

I worked in Quiggins in Renshaw street when it sold hardware Phil, 1979 ish, brass door handles, nuts, bolts, screws, nails etc just like Campbell and Mabbs and Thomas and Nelson, I think that was 74a or 75 Renshaw st.

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Thanks for that, Jed.
I wondered if it had been an antique shop in the 1970s, but put 1980s to be on the safe side.

When I left there (it was a real old time stood still place with the boss up the rickety narrow stairs behinds his big oak desk) it was some years before I noticed Quiggins in School Lane, the Renshaw Street shop had become a weird looking place selling African type stuff and I wondered if the name was related in any way and if so how they had diversed from hardware to the stuff Quiggins was selling now? Do you know?

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Originally Posted by Ged

When I left there (it was a real old time stood still place with the boss up the rickety narrow stairs behinds his big oak desk) it was some years before I noticed Quiggins in School Lane, the Renshaw Street shop had become a weird looking place selling African type stuff and I wondered if the name was related in any way and if so how they had diversed from hardware to the stuff Quiggins was selling now? Do you know?

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75 Renshaw Street became an antique shop.
They kept the name Quiggins.
More different sections opened up, and they moved to School Lane.
I don't think 75 has been used since.

Someone at the Pier Head doesn't like Goths, if the graffiti on this memorial is anything to go by. This memorial was only cleaned about a year ago aswell.

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Originally Posted by PhilipG

Quiggins were originally ironmongers and built a shop at 75 Renshaw Street in Edwardian times.
By the 1980s it was an antique shop.
They moved to School Lane to much bigger premises in the County Palatine Building.
It was a great favourite with Goths, among others.
It is due to be demolished as part of the Paradise Project, so Quigggins have taken up residence at Central Hall in Renshaw Street.
They hope to move to John Lewis (formerly G H Lee) when JL move to their new building in Canning Place.

So they'll be in Williamson Square next year. :shock: :)

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You can still see the Quiggins name in the mosaic in the floor of the shop entrance. ;) The CP building isn't to be fully demolished though,surely? I heard it was only the back end of it,the warehouse bit,that was going. The front facade is staying and being done up,supposedly.

Dave.

I quite like Goths, as has been pointed out, they do no harm to people as a rule, and they are colourful. I find them no threat whatsoever. This is from someone who does fear some of the kids of today, must stem from when I was mugged in Victoria Street back in the 70s and left for dead in the street.:shock:

It's not just goths. There are simply too many teenagers hanging around on our streets drinking, shouting, spraying graffiti and generally being direspectful. I believe that younger kids can be helped out of this behaviour, but the older ones are too far gone.
An example is the fact that they will winge that they have nothing to do, so a community centre will be built which they then go and destroy. They are just looking for an excuse to be violent. I got bored when I was younger, but I didn't use this as an excuse to go around vandalising everything. I found something to do and got a job.
Adults saying that kids have nothing to do are basically giving yobs the green light to do what they want. There is plenty to do all around the city, there is no excuse for being anti-social. I blame the parents more than anyone else.

Regarding the issue of dispersing gangs. The police only have the power to disperse gangs and take them home if the area has a section 30 order on it. This is rediculous and is why I think there should be a city wide permanant section 30 order which would give the police the power to disperse gangs and send them home anywhere in the city.:PDT_Xtremez_12:

the goths are the good guys, they will never cause any real bother to anyone,they might hang around in groups and make a bit of noise but they will never attack people. Theyre just kids having clean(ish) fun.

Hippys , goths, heavy metal kids, even the punks these days are the good guys.
Its the scallies/chavs to watch out for, the ones in the hoodies and tracksuits, they are the ones who carry knives etc.

yes, that's right.
Goths are no danger, but scallies are .

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Originally Posted by Suburban

The original point I was making was not whether Goths are better than Scallies or vice versa. It was about huge amounts of young people hanging round the Victoria monument on a Saturday afternoon. If it were Scallies doing this I would have the same opinion. The fact is that the Victoria monument has been defaaced in the past and the Goths cause a lot of noise and look unruly.

I agree many of these young people are probably very intelligent, but somewhere should be provided for them rather than Derby Square.

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Would you still have the same opinion on these people if they were wearing suits ?
I'm pretty sure you wouldnt. i think youre problem is with the way they look, you havent even told us that they have done anything wrong apart from making a bit of noise.
Just because the monumnet was defaced in the past, thats no reason to move these kids on, if they are not cuasing any trouble, leave them alone.

Leave the police to deal with real troublemakers

Totally agree. Many of them are geeky and at least make efforts to move out of the way as you make your way past/through them - unlike a gang of disrespecting knuckle dragging scallies would.

Apologies if you've had this, it's from way back. I remember this story each time I pass them.

City Goths go safely thanks to Tate Gallery art project

Jul 12 2006

By Jessica Shaughnessy Daily Post Staff

AN UNLIKELY crime-busting operation has reduced robberies in Liverpool's city centre by a third.

Vulnerable teenagers were taken off the streets and away from the clutches of robbers to take part in an art project.

Now robberies in the city centre have dropped by 34%, thanks to the initiative run by Merseyside Police and Tate Liverpool.

Robbers and muggers were preying on a group of "Goth" teenagers who congregated in Derby Square and at the Pier Head at weekends and during school holidays.

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Give the Goths a break, we are so conditioned in this climate of fear created be our repressive goverment, that we fear any one who is "different".
Goths just walk about the city from the Pier to the Courts to the Gardens and back again. Who has actually seen a Goth causing trouble, it's all hearsay. Goths are Great, Emo's aint bad either. Goths are an easy target for the Police to go after with their Section 30.

This man talks sense!

Yes, other than the occasional smashed bottle at the Law Courts I've never seen any trouble. They're introvert and more interested in their music and art than trying to be intimidating to people they don't know.

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Originally Posted by Cameraman

Give the Goths a break, we are so conditioned in this climate of fear created be our repressive goverment, that we fear any one who is "different".
Goths just walk about the city from the Pier to the Courts to the Gardens and back again. Who has actually seen a Goth causing trouble, it's all hearsay. Goths are Great, Emo's aint bad either. Goths are an easy target for the Police to go after with their Section 30.

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I don't get why kids discriminate for wearing clothes but won't discriminate over skin colour.

Why? Should they?

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Originally Posted by Ged

Why? Should they?

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Didn't say they should.

But most kids/teens find It ok to discriminate over clothes or lifestyles but won't discriminate over skin colour or religion. Their too daft to see the double standards.

Clothes are choice, skin colour is not.

It's all borne of fear, either way.

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Originally Posted by Max

Didn't say they should.

But most kids/teens find It ok to discriminate over clothes or lifestyles but won't discriminate over skin colour or religion. Their too daft to see the double standards.

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I find most scally kids are very discriminative of peoples skin colour and religion. Only have to see the graffitti at our local Tandoori house round my way to see that. Plus on a few walls on businesses owned by darker skinned proprieters.

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Originally Posted by Shapers

I find most scally kids are very discriminative of peoples skin colour and religion. Only have to see the graffitti at our local Tandoori house round my way to see that. Plus on a few walls on businesses owned by darker skinned proprieters.

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Definately !


they have this pack mentality and attack anything or anyone a bit different from their pathetic selves.

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Originally Posted by Max

Didn't say they should.

But most kids/teens find It ok to discriminate over clothes or lifestyles but won't discriminate over skin colour or religion. Their too daft to see the double standards.

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Not double standards at all. You can discriminate for peoples lifestyles, hair style, basically anything. Theres no rules to discrimination.

I don't discriminate at all.....I treat everyone the same, like crap

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Originally Posted by shytalk

I don't discriminate at all.....I treat everyone the same, like crap

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I hate everyone equally :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

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Originally Posted by shytalk

I don't discriminate at all.....I treat everyone the same, like crap

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Errrrrrrrr I wuz only kiddin':hug: shapers.

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Originally Posted by shytalk

Errrrrrrrr I wuz only kiddin':hug: shapers.

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Aww i know dear, love you really.....well not love :shock:

Hi Shytalk,

You must be reading the wrong books, the popularity of Jazz had waned before The Beatles played The Cavern.

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Originally Posted by Cameraman

Hi Shytalk,

You must be reading the wrong books, the popularity of Jazz had waned before The Beatles played The Cavern.

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I wasn't reading books, I was there.:PDT_Aliboronz_24: