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Originally Posted by Sloyne
Hi Sloyne
Of course it's not a modern phenomenon even though it seems especially rife now. I remember seeing medieval effigies defaced by initials by people long ago after Thomas and Oliver Cromwell and his gangs had their go. And at Shakespeare's cottage a number of well known people had inscribed their names in the panes of the leadlight windows, presumably using their diamond rings.
Chris
Would that be Anne Hathaways cottage? I have visited the cottage but never noticed the graffiti you mention. I will certainly look if I ever go back to Stratford-on-Avon. Were did you see the graffiti by Oliver Cromwell and was it Thomas Cromwell, Earl of Essex or Thomas Cranmer the Archbishop of Canterbury, you meant? Thanks for this very interesting piece information.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge
Hi SloyneQuote:
Originally Posted by Sloyne
It was definitely Shakespeare's birthplace because I remember looking out onto the street through the defaced window. . . as you probably know Anne Hathaway's Cottage is set somewhat off the road. And it was Thomas Cromwell, who oversaw the Dissolution of the Monasteries under Henry VIII.
Chris
I am hoping to get this book for Christmas ... I've dropped a few hints :) :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Cissie Braithwaite
Thanks to all who have responded and commented on the Third Lyver Bird idea.
It is currently with the Public Art Steering Committee, who are said to be considering locations which
could do with some public work of art, and then allo the Bird to bid for one of these, against other
ideas which have money or sponsorship attached. So don't hold your breath.
I have made a CD-rom of the scheme, containing photos, mock-ups, transcripts, histories, notes
and diagrams, and managed to place copies with David Henshaw, Warren Bradley and a third of the
councillors, Jason Harborow, Prof Drummond Bone, Laurie Peake and many others. All those who
are likely to be in a position to do anything are well aware of the plan, and generally in favour - in
principle.
(If you would like a copy of this CDrom, do email me privately with a postal address.)
Please feel free to "talk it up", write to your councillor and MP, but best of all -find a serious sponsor.
In "original materials" we are talking near £250,000, but in kevlar or such about £40,000. Such an
item would not last 100 years, but if it gets built and lasts ten years or more, then there would be an
outcry of "we must keep The Bird", equivalent to the Keep Gormley's Men campaign.
Security? Well, I think it would have to take its chance along with other works of art, most of which
come through unscathed, and this one is surely going to prove more popular, and more readily taken
to Scouse hearts. One change I now think could be made, with security in mind, is to incorporate
part of the Dome on which the bird stands. This would be rather harder to scale, and would make the
whole item a few feet taller still, and even more impressive.
Keep coming with the ideas, everyone.
Gerry.
Here is a mockup, based on Kev's excellent picture above - hope you don't mind, Kev - showing the Bird on Dome for extra security ( and height - and cost!)
Gerry
Just a note to add my support to your campaign. Any other city would've done something like this by now, high time Liverpool did. The size, scale and sheer beauty of the birds should be appreciated at ground level.
Best wishes
WavyDavy
No problem Gerry, glad you used it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerry Jones
Another cracking thread that I've just come across. Belated thanks for all your contributions:PDT_Piratz_26:
Further to Waterways' worry about security; ("It should be away from the reaches of people, so it can't be defaced.")Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerry Jones
Here are a couple more mockups, on site by the Royal Court, on a goodly mound of dome. With a bit of luck the "dome" should make them harder to climb, and would make the whole item even more impressive and "Wow!"
Happy New Year to all our readers,
Gerry
Here is a picture of the Ultimate method of keeping the Third Lyver Bird away from the reaches of people. Unfortunately, it would mean that nobody could stand and be photographed byt their mates alongside/under the Bird, which is what I would consider to be its main tourist attraction. If is were accessible, despite the danger, I am sure it would mean that Every Single Tourist wouod be photographed beside it - not just Most Of Them. Millions of photos,flying all over the world. Worth taking a change on some graffiti, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
(Artwork by (I think) Timbo Kelly of "Timbo's Liverpool").
Gerry.
HI THERE CAN ANYONE TELL ME IF THE BIRDS GOT TAKIN DOWN DURING THE WAR AND IF THAY DID WHO TOOK THEM DOWN ARE THERE ANY PICTURES??
Yes, Shanks, the Birds were taken down. I've read it somewhere - sorry, haven't got the source to hand, but also I have spoken to a son of one of the gents involved in the work - again, sorry no details handy.Quote:
Originally Posted by shank
I do Not think it was during the war, but for some renovation.
Third time sorry - I have no pictures, and would dearly love to have some.
Do click on Liver Birds from my site www.gerryjones.me.uk and somewhere you'll find a picture of three gents from "Sparrowhall Scaffolders" up on the bird back in the 70s. Sadly the gent in the middle died a couple of years ago, but the other two are alive and well. .... and standing by to take part in the opening ceremony if the Culture Company ever get round to getting my Third Bird built.
great pic gerry!!
thanks for the info on the liver birds visited your site fantastic site well worth a visit thanks.SHANK
Attached image saying the liverbird was imaginary:
Yes, it's imaginary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
Liver comes from the word 'laever' (Sp?) for seaweed, which is what all Liverbirds have in their beaks.
For more information about the Liver Birds, please visit my site www.gerryjones.me.uk and click on Third Lyver Bird.
For a SONG about the Liver Birds (tune; Liverpool Home) please click on "Liverpool Folk Songs" and choose "Song of the Liver Birds" in Contents list.
couple of sample verses;
"In 1207 when John was the king,
We were ON the Town Seal when they signed anything
We started as Eagles - the bird of St John -
Till they found our original image had gone.
An artist who'd never seen an eagle before,
had seen many cormorants along our sea-shore,
He tried drawing eagles, he tried it for weeks,
But we ended up like cormorants with weed in our beaks.
"We've both got some Laver; that's "sea-weed" to you.
It's quite rich in iodine, but a bit tough to chew.
But over in Clwyd, they bake it instead,
As a vital ingredient of Welsh "Laver bread."
STILL no joy with my Third Lyver Bird scheme; I am now pinning all my hopes on Phil Redmond and the Birds' Centenary in 2011.
Great Site you have there.. thanks for sharing the great images.. That would be smashing to see one in the water of Albert Docks like you show.. :handclap:
I was on a job the other week up there and got a close up of the back of a Bird.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wormella
http://a663.ac-images.myspacecdn.com...e2d94996be.jpg
Not quite what you might expect...
B
It would be GREAT to have a third Liverbird on ground level to be viewed close up. What a GREAT idea!
What has become of your campaign? Will this go through?
Btw, graffiti date back even farther than Cromwell's days. The ones found in Pompeji are an important Vulgar Latin source for Romance linguists! :)
A WEBSITE commemorating the 100th birthday of Liverpool?s most famous building has been set up for Capital of Culture year. Read
Sounds great Kev...Will there be any chance of people going up to the top?
I've contacted the Echo about this as the site address they gave doesn't work.
Hopefully they'll amend it soon, as I'm really looking forward to seeing this site :PDT_Piratz_26:
Replying to a few recent postings;Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
I can't see any website either, just a reference to an Echo article. There certainly should be one, should now be gearing itself up to what should be its next major year, 2011, Year of the Liver Birds. They will be 100 years old, and this is a great reason for celebrating our one, true, unique icon.
The year itself should be designated The Year of the Liver Birds.
There should be a flock of them all round the place, on the scale of the Lambananas, same sort of size, same number, same system, same variety and plan.
And of course the Third Liver Bird should really come into its own.
I don't know if it is still possible to get to the top of the Liver Building, but they certainly used to do Building Tours there, up in the express lift to the Promenade Deck level, to see the bells - well, the electronic chime bars, no bigger than the things you used to bong in school - but you still could not get close to the birds. When you got close to their perch, all you could see was part of a tail hanging over a bit.
Even Barry, who was up there (great image!) could only see the Back of the Other Bird, which is why we need it at ground level. It would be tidier, because the size is the thing for that awesome feeling. It could be made of kevlar or such without nuts and bolts and rust.
My plan to have a Third Bird in place for 2008 was scuppered by Lewis Biggs of the Biennial Arts, and adviser to the City on all things artistic. My plan was passed to him by The Woollyback, and he then sat on it for a couple of years, and finally declared that The Liver Birds were "old" art, and that the City has got more than ebough Liver Birds as it is.
I am close to getting the Liverpool Tarts to be thoroughly well known, so then I hope to have the time and energy to have another go at my Third Bird, aiming for 2011.
This site still exists in May 2009, but links to it are broken in some directions. If you go to the Royal Liver own home page and follow the HISTORY link, it should bring up http://history.royalliverassurance.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
Not much that I could find about the Birds there.
[QUOTE=Merseyrose;147136]It would be GREAT to have a third Liverbird on ground level to be viewed close up. What a GREAT idea!
What has become of your campaign? Will this go through?
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Cross your fingers, MerseyRose; there are serious plans afoot in the new museum of Liverpool, to have a full-size representation of the Bird in the museum, just behind the big north window. This may be one wing & leg modelled in 3D, with the other wing painted on the nearby wall, but full-size is their definite aim. This would not be public art as such, nor a tourist attraction in its own right, but as a museum exhibit it may be as close as I am ever to get with my dream.
The Museum of Liverpool Liver Bird is (apparently) in place. Not as I had hoped, but more like a giant version of the city logo, but at least it will be full-size - 18-foot high!
Also, keep pushing for the Everton Heights/Everton Park giant monument; Cllr Joe Anderson wants a gigantic Liver Bird that can be seen for miles., - something like the Angel of The North. We want THIS, and not some stupid "Tracy Emin" kind of thing.
And, finally, at long long last CARL BERNARD BARTELS is to made a "CITIZEN OF HONOUR" 0n 19th July this year 2011. After being wiped out of our city history books since 1914, his name and place are at last to be restored. See you at the Pier Head, 19th July !!
you can see it through end of building now..I took this a couple of days ago
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5297/...94a5aa9d_b.jpg
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bugger I put url in insert image, but I can't see it :/ that long since I've used a forum will try again
Thanks, quincyg, for getting that Museum of Liverpool Photo. I should have a scan of the photo in the Echo of some people standing inside, near the exhibit.
Great news is that CARL BERNARD BARTELS - the creator of our Liver Building Birds - will be proclaimed on TUES 19th JULY 2011 as a CITIZEN OF HONOUR. This is now definite, and should be in the news media on 2nd March. Please, please, report all sightings.
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I have found the scan of the Echo article and photo, but cannot understand what it's URL might be. Can anyone explain how I can insert or attach this jpeg to a Reply here?