It would look cool though.:celb (23):
Too many movies.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
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It would look cool though.:celb (23):
Too many movies.:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
If the four lads go a-missing, I don't think the police will be searching hotel bathrooms first. More than likely, they will start the search in my flat! :hug:
The Beatles are the best-selling musical group of all time, estimated by EMI to have over one billion discs and tapes sold worldwide.
The Beatles have notched up the most multi-platinum selling albums for any artist or musical group (thirteen in the U.S. alone).
The Beatles have had more number one singles than any other musical group (23 in Australia, 23 in The Netherlands, 22 in Canada, 21 in Norway, 20 in the U.S., and 18 in Sweden). Ironically, the Beatles could easily have had even more number ones, because they were often competing with their own singles. For example, the Beatles' "Penny Lane" and "Strawberry Fields Forever" were released as a "double A"-sided single, which caused sales and airplay to be divided between the two songs instead of being counted collectively. Even so, they reached number two with the singles.
The Beatles have had more number one albums than any other group (19 in the U.S. and 15 in the United Kingdom).
The Beatles spent the highest number of weeks at number one in the albums chart (174 in the UK and 132 in the U.S.).
The most successful first week of sales for a double album (The Beatles Anthology Volume 1, which sold 855,473 copies in the U.S. from 21 November to 28 November 1995).
In terms of charting positions, Lennon and McCartney are the most successful songwriters in history, with 32 number one singles in the U.S. for McCartney, and 26 for Lennon (23 of which were written together). Lennon was responsible for 29 Number One singles in the UK, and McCartney was responsible for 28 (25 of which were written together).
During the week of 4 April 1964, The Beatles held the top five positions on the Billboard singles chart. No one had ever done anything like this before, and it is doubtful that the conditions will ever exist for anyone to do it again. The songs were "Can't Buy Me Love", "Twist and Shout", "She Loves You", "I Want to Hold Your Hand", and "Please Please Me".
The next week, 11 April 1964, the Beatles held fourteen positions on the Billboard Hot 100. Before the Beatles, the highest number of concurrent singles by one artist on the Hot 100 was nine (by Elvis Presley, 19 December 1956).
The Beatles are the only artist to have 'back-to-back-to-back' number one singles on Billboard's Hot 100. Boyz II Men and Elvis Presley have succeeded themselves on the chart, but the Beatles are the only artist to 'three-peat'.
The Beatles' "Yesterday" is the most covered song in history, appearing in the Guinness Book of Records with over three thousand recorded versions.
The Beatles even had their own stamp commissioned, featuring a tribute to Yellow Submarine.The Beatles had the fastest selling single of all time with "I Want To Hold Your Hand". The song sold 250,000 units within three days in the U.S., one million in 2 weeks. (Additionally, it sold 10,000 copies per hour in New York City alone for the first 20 days.)
The Beatles have the fastest selling CD of all time with 1. It sold over 13 million copies in four weeks.
The largest number of advance orders for a single, at 2.1 million copies in the U.S. for "Can't Buy Me Love" (it sold 940,225 copies on its first day of release in the U.S. alone).
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is the best selling album of all time in the UK (over 4.5 million copies sold).
With their performance at Shea Stadium in 1965, The Beatles set new world records for concert attendance (55,600+) and revenue.
The Beatles broke television ratings records in the U.S. with their first appearance on The Ed Sullivan Show.
On 12 June 1965, the Beatles were made Members of the Order of the British Empire (MBE) by the Queen.
On 30 June 1966, the Beatles became the first musical group to perform at the Nippon Budokan Hall in Tokyo. They performed five times in three days gathering audiences of about 10,000 per performance.
The Beatles appear five times in the top 100 best-selling singles in the UK. No other group appears more than twice.
THEY started out as four unknown lads in a Liverpool basement and played their last gig on a London rooftop, the city's most famous sons.
Today the Daily Post reveals the first of 110 paintings specially commissioned to depict John, Paul, George and Ringo's musical journey.
The canvases, the first somewhat biblically titled "the birth of Ringo", will be exhibited in chronological order on seven floors at Liverpool's new £17m Hard Days Night hotel.
I'm loving this new hotel and the artwork looks absolutely amazing.:celb (23):
any pics?
I've only seen them in the echo so far but hopefully they might get a website up and running soon hey.:snf (41):Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
Former Beatle Sir Paul McCartney turns 64 on Sunday.
The singer, who wrote When I'm 64 for The Beatles' Sergeant Pepper album, says his children have urged him to disappear for the day, which is sure to trigger a flurry of press attention.
Here is how his life has changed over the last seven decades.
CHILDHOOD: 1942 -1951
James Paul McCartney was born to a working class family on 18 June, 1942, at Walton Hospital in Liverpool.
His mother, Mary, had been a nursing sister at the hospital, and was given a bed in a private room for the birth.
Sir Paul was baptised as a Roman Catholic, his mother's faith, but religion did not play a strong part in his upbringing.
His father, Jim, was a gifted musician who played with a jazz band in the evening while holding down a day job as a cotton salesman.
Both Sir Paul and his younger brother Michael received piano lessons during their early years, but neither kept up the instrument.
TEENAGE YEARS: 1952 - 1961
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Sir Paul's childhood home is now owned by the National Trust
The McCartneys moved several times during Sir Paul's early life, but eventually settled in a terraced house in Liverpool's Forthlin Road in 1955.
Just one year later, the family was struck by tragedy when Sir Paul's mother died of breast cancer, aged 47.
Her death had a huge impact on Sir Paul. He referred to her in the lyrics of Let It Be, singing: "When I find myself in times of trouble, mother Mary comes to me".
Soon after she passed away, Sir Paul asked his father to buy him a guitar, and the young musician learnt to play by imitating American R&B hits he heard on the radio.
In October 1957, Sir Paul auditioned for John Lennon's band, The Quarrymen, at a church fair and was asked to join as the group's third guitarist.
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One of the band's earlier names was Johnny and The Moondogs
The pair began writing songs together and several of their earliest hits were composed in the house on Forthlin Road, including Love Me Do and I Saw Her Standing There.
It was also about this time that Sir Paul wrote When I'm 64, and the band are reported to have played it early concerts.
After decamping to West Germany to play a residency in the Indra Club in Hamburg, the band - now rechristened The Beatles - returned to Liverpool in 1960.
It was at a gig in the Cavern nightclub that they were seen by Brian Epstein, who offered to become their manager.
BEATLEMANIA: 1962 - 1971
Epstein secured The Beatles an audition with Decca on New Year's Day 1962, but the record company decided not to offer the band a contract.
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The Beatles got their famous "moptop" haircuts in Germany
However, the manager eventually persuaded producer George Martin to sign the group to Parlophone Records in May 1962.
Beatlemania was not long coming. The group's first single, Love Me Do, reached number four in October, and by August 1963 they spent seven weeks on top of the charts with She Loves You.
By then, The Beatles were household names, with Sir Paul as the band's main pin-up.
Around this time, he started to date actress and party cake designer Jane Asher. Several Beatles songs are thought to be about their relationship, including We Can Work It Out and Here, There and Everywhere.
The band conquered America in 1964, after an appearance on the Ed Sullivan show was seen by a reported 73 million people.
When I'm 64 was featured on the band's milestone album, Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, released in 1967.
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The Beatles played to 400m people on the first global TV link-up.
The vaudevillian song is atypical of the album, featuring a clarinet trio, rather than the psychedelic rock that characterised the rest of the record.
Many speculated it was a love song to Linda Eastman, who later became Sir Paul's wife, but the couple didn't meet until a launch party for the Sergeant Pepper album.
Sir Paul married Eastman in a low-key register office ceremony in 1969.
The musician claims he nearly forgot to buy a wedding ring after becoming engrossed in a recording session.
The couple had three children together, and Sir Paul adopted a daughter from Eastman's previous marriage.
By the time of their wedding, The Beatles were becoming more and more fractious, with musical and personal differences tearing the band apart.
Sir Paul released his first solo album, McCartney, in 1970 at around the same time as The Beatles' swansong, Let It Be.
Some copies included a self-written interview explaining the break-up of the band.
WINGS: 1972 - 1981
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Sir Paul's wife Linda was a member of Wings
In the year that he turned 30, Sir Paul found two of his singles banned by the BBC.
Give Ireland Back To the Irish, released in February, was blacklisted for its political content, while December's Hi, Hi, Hi was thought to contain drugs references.
Both singles were recorded by the musician's new band, Wings, which went through a variety of line-ups during the 1970s.
Sir Paul's songs of this period were often derided by critics for being overly-sentimental, but they found great favour with the public.
Mull of Kintyre, a paean to his Scottish retreat with Linda, stayed at number one for nine weeks in 1977 and for several years held the record for being the highest-selling single in the UK.
Wings' other hits included the James Bond theme Live and Let Die, and Band On The Run.
In 1980, Sir Paul was arrested in Tokyo's Narita airport for possession of marijuana. He spent ten days in prison before being released and deported to the UK.
In December that year, Sir Paul's former bandmate and writing partner, John Lennon, was shot dead on the steps of his New York home.
SOLO: 1982 - 1991
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In the 1980s, Sir Paul's hits included Pipes Of Peace
After Wings disbanded in 1981, Sir Paul had continued solo success with his albums McCartney II and Tug Of War.
His duets with Stevie Wonder, on Ebony and Ivory, and Michael Jackson, on The Girl Is Mine, were big hits - but critics were becoming increasingly dissatisfied with the saccharine nature of Sir Paul's work.
Even the public turned their backs on the 1984 film Give My Regards to Broad Street, written by and starring Sir Paul - although a single from the film, No More Lonely Nights, was a huge hit.
The artist's reputation for creating groundbreaking music took another blow in December that year when he released We All Stand Together, a waltz for Rupert The Bear credited to Paul McCartney and the Frog Chorus.
1989's Flowers In The Dirt, which featured several collaborations with Elvis Costello, was better received, and was followed by Sir Paul's first world tour in a decade.
As he approached 50, Sir Paul made his first foray into classical music, scoring the Liverpool Oratorio with composer Carl Davis.
LEGEND: 1992 - 2001
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The remaining Beatles recorded new songs for the Anthology albums
The emergence of Britpop saw many artists citing The Beatles as an influence.
And, as fans of new bands such as Oasis started to investigate Sir Paul's back catalogue, so did he.
He helped to compile the Beatles Anthology albums, which unearthed alternative takes and forgotten recordings, and took part in the accompanying TV series.
Perhaps as a result, Sir Paul's next album, Flaming Pie, saw him go back to the skiffle and R&B songs that inspired The Beatles 30 years earlier.
He also kept up his interest in classical music, and released two albums of dance music under the pseudonym The Fireman.
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Sir Paul's music has made him one of the UK's wealthiest entertainers
In 1996, Sir Paul opened the Liverpool Institute for the Performing Arts, which was built on the site of his old school.
The following year, he received a knighthood.
However, the honour was overshadowed by the death of his wife, Linda, who succumbed to breast cancer, at the age of 56.
NOW I'M 64: 2002 - Present
Sir Paul's diverse interests came to the fore after his wife's death. He publicly exhibited his paintings for the first time, and released a book of poetry, Blackbird singing.
He has continued to record and tour, and headlined the Glastonbury Festival in 2004.
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Sir Paul and Heather Mills became engaged in 2001
But Sir Paul's music has been overshadowed by his marriage to the model Heather Mills.
The couple tied the knot amid considerable secrecy in Ireland in 2002.
Following their marriage, Mills and Sir Paul devoted much time to charity work, and recently campaigned against the slaughter of seal pups in Canada.
The couple had a daughter, Beatrice, in the autumn of 2003.
However, they separated last month, blaming press intrusion for putting a strain on their relationship.
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Lucky Old ******* married and divorced a model!:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
The Beatles Story exhibition marked the occasion with a weekend-long party, including a karaoke competition to find the best singer of Sir Paul's classic When I'm 64, which was won by a Filipino man on his first visit to the city.
Rhoel Tupaz was on a pilgrimage to the home of his idols and visiting the exhibition when he decided to take part in the contest, held at the venue's replica Cavern.
And he put his experience of singing Beatles' hits in the karaoke bars and streets of his home town of Butuan to good use by walking off with the top prize.
Rhoel, 38, said: "In the Philippines, The Beatles are more popular than ever and we are still singing their songs on the streets and in the bars.
"When I was a child, when my parents gave me money for school dinner, I would use it to buy their albums instead. I've been singing their songs ever since John Lennon died.
"This is my first visit to Liverpool and it was great to walk off with the top prize, especially as the standard was so good. It's a brilliant way to mark my time here."
The Beatles Story was the hub of the celebrations for the landmark birthday immortalised in Sir Paul's song, with an American CBS camera crew filming the festivities, which included balloons, birthday cake, and a chance for visitors to have their picture taken on the Cavern stage with the first ever Madame Tussauds waxwork of the former Beatle.
Director Jerry Goldman said: "We were initially uncertain whether to do anything or not, given current circumstances, but we got so many phone calls we realised the fans wanted something to mark the event.
"People have been bringing in birthday cards for Sir Paul, and our Cavern was full all the time, with about 30 people taking part in the karaoke competition over the weekend.
"Rhoel Tupaz won it against stiff competition because it was such a professional, confident performance.
"Joe Flannery, a booking agent who worked for Beatles' manager Brian Epstein, also got up on the stage and told a story about how the boys were in his house before they were famous, and were joking about what they wanted to do when they were 40.
"Apparently, Paul said he would be a window cleaner."
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A GUITAR plectrum believed to be one of the earliest creations of John Lennon is going on display at Lennon's childhood home, Mendips. more
The birth and early history of The Beatles is interwoven with the Casbah. Beatles fans everywhere acknowledge that the Casbah was truly where it all began.
Instruments, hand-drawn posters, microphones and amps are still at the Casbah, more than forty years on. The silver stars on the ceiling of the bar area, painted by John, Paul, George and Pete, John's name carved into the wall are all poignant reminders of the enduring mark made on history by Mona Best and her Casbah Coffee Club.
Take a trip down memory lane and visit key moments in the life of the Casbah. Follow the links and find your favourite facts and images.
This is a must for any fans of The Beatles.
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Beatles families come together at new show.
THE remaining Beatles and their families will prove that love is all you need when they attend the premier eof Cirque du Soleil extravaganza LOVE in Las Vegas tonight.
Sir Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Yoko Ono, Olivia and Dhani Harrison, Julian and Sean Lennon, Cynthia Lennon and Sir George Martin are all expected at the gala event.
More than 4,000 guests will watch two performances of the multi-million pound production, which showcases more than 100 Beatles songs, before going on to an aftershow party.
Among them will be Paul's brother Mike McCartney and wife Rowena.
Mike McCartney has also pledged to ask bosses of the Canadian acrobatic troupe if they will bring the fantasy tribute show to Liverpool's new Kings Dock arena for Capital of Culture year.
He said: "Our kid and I came across Cirque du Soleil when they weren't really that well known.
"Rowena and I saw them in Manchester and Paul saw their show in London or Vegas. Neither of us knew the other had seen it, but my brother fell in love with it." lOVE has a fine Beatles pedigree.
It was born from a friendship between the late George Harrison and Cirque du Soleil founder Guy Lalibert?, agreed by Paul, Ringo and Yoko, and brought to the stage by Sir George Martin.
It links together 60 international artists from the Cirque du Soleil and more than 100 Beatles songs to present, in its creators' words, "a vivid, intimate and powerful entertainment experience".
The unique soundtrack has been created using original master tapes from Abbey Road studios.
Sir George, who worked on the project with son Giles, said: "We wanted to make sure there are enough good, solid hit songs in the show, but we don't want it to just "best of's".
"We also wanted to put in some interesting and not well-known Beatles music and use fragments of songs."
Each of the seats in the Mirage is equipped with three speakers to give fans an intimate experience.
It is expected lOVE could run for at least 10 years, packing 2,000 people into the theatre twice a night, five nights a week, with ticket prices ranging from $69 (£38) to $150 (£82).
Brilliant!
Are those gates ever open?"
I've never seen them open all the times I've been there.
I'm sorry, I don't live in Liverpool. What is so great about it again?
Strawberry Field was a Salvation Army orphanage in Woolton, England, founded in 1936. Strawberry Field has had an annual fête, which John Lennon and his aunt Mimi regularly attended. It closed its doors as a children's home in early January, 2005 and is now a church and prayer centre. The famous gates marking its entrance still stand.
The name of the orphanage became world famous in 1967, with the release of The Beatles single "Strawberry Fields Forever", written by John Lennon. Lennon grew up near the orphanage and used to play in the wooded area behind the building with his childhood friends, Pete Shotton and Ivan Vaughan.
Yeah, I knew all that. I assumed there would be some kind of mamorial to the REAL strawberry fields. I thought it would be a bit more grand than that so I just assumed that some kid had scrawled 'strawberry fields' on some wall somewhere next to some gate and y'all were calling it great. But if that is the only remaining part of the real place then.....it's kind of great....I suppose.
I don't normally hold with graffiti, but in this case it's allowed ! :)
The graffiti is in fact signatures by visiting tourists. It can be interesting reading the names from visitors from all over the globe; USA, Japan, Holland, etc, etc. There are little messages and 'Beatle quotations'
Hello Lindylou...
is the building still there and is it being used still by the Salvation Army...?
and is the address beaconsfield road... what number..
Lemmo...:037:
As the site is now empty what do people think are the chances of transforming it into a tourist attraction?
Probably flats
I heard it was being used by the Salvation Army for a prayer room called the Boiler Room 24/7...
does anyone have a phone number or link
I have some ideas for a plan for its future if anyone is interested...
johnlemmon...:snf (41):
Does anyone here live near this place...?
johnlemmon...:037:
Beatles to feature on set of stamps
The Beatles are to appear on a set of stamps. The six stamps, issued by the Royal Mail, feature images of the band's most famous album covers.
The collection, which goes on sale in January, includes Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Abbey Road, Revolver, Let It Be and With The Beatles.
A Royal Mail spokesman said: "The Beatles special stamps promise to be a big hit with fans the world over when they go on sale in January 2007.
"Royal Mail is featuring some 1st Class Beatles album covers to commemorate the UK band that stands for all that's great in popular culture."
I seen the stamps in this mornin's Daily Mirror .. great stuff..
"Letter be" :D
They'll be great attached to letter sent to relatives and friends afar or abroad bearing a Liverpool postmark eh?
Having said that... woul'nt it also be great if the GPO issued a series of commemrative stamps celebrating Liverpool in 2007/2008
Love unveils new angle on Beatles
The Martins said their first concern was to do justice to the Beatles
There was more than a twinkle of emotion in George Martin's eye when he was asked what John and George would have thought of Love, the new album of reworked Beatles' songs.
"I think they would have liked it," he said. "To be honest, I believe they were there with us as we worked on it,"
And whether the idea of newly mixed version of the Fab Four appeals or appals, there is no arguing about the - well, love - that has gone into it.
The legendary producer was speaking at the album's launch in Abbey Road's Studio 2, where he helped to craft many of the Beatles most iconic tracks.
When approached, three years ago, to create a soundtrack to a Beatles-themed show by Cirque Du Soleil, Martin enlisted help from his producer son, Giles.
It was an honour to be able to work with the Beatles in this way
Martin, 80, said: "The condition was that we could use any sound we liked that had been recorded by the Beatles.
"This gave us an enormous palette to work with while keeping us disciplined in not doing anything unsuitable to the rightly treasured Beatles songs."
The project was backed from the beginning by the surviving members of the band as well as widows Olivia Harrison and Yoko Ono.
Giles, 37, said: "It was an honour to be able to work with the Beatles in this way but it was especially good that Paul, Ringo, Olivia and Yoko were so enthusiastic.
"They would keep encouraging us to go further, try something new and, as Yoko said, if we did something they didn't like, no one was going to hear it."
The Beatles constantly reinvented their sound and image
The result is a "soundscape" of familiar Beatles' songs. Some, like Help!, are used in almost their original form, whereas others have been ambitiously remixed.
The keyboard of Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite dissolves into the plodding guitar of I Want You (She's So Heavy).
Strawberry Fields Forever builds from Lennon's acoustic demo into a psychedelic swirl of sounds that incorporates bits of Hello Goodbye, Baby You're a Rich Man, Penny Lane and Piggies.
Only one track broke the rule on using no new music. An early recording of While My Guitar Gently Weeps was preferred but Olivia Harrison felt it was too "raw".
I never thought I would get this deeply involved with the Beatles again
George Martin
To bridge the impasse, Martin scored a new orchestral backing.
All about love
"It was strange, writing this for an old friend who was no longer with us," said George Martin.
"Yesterday was first score I ever wrote for a Beatle song way back in 1965 and this, 41 years later, is the last. They bookend an extraordinary time."
He acknowledged that some fans might be alarmed at the idea of "playing with perfection".
"But if you worried about what might upset some of the fans, you would never do anything and we have simply done what we thought was right.
"I never thought I would get this deeply involved with the Beatles again. It's been a real journey but we were doing something worthwhile.
"We were trying to create a feeling of what the Beatles were all about, and what they were all about was love."
Love will be released on 20 November.
I remember the Beatles well, they ruined a great jazz club.
Please don't all batter me at the same time, :)
A ONE-OFF Beatles record rarity created from cheeky opportunism, and worth thousands of pounds, is to go on display in Liverpool.
The only copy of the Beatles "White" Album recorded on blue vinyl has been donated to the The Beatles Story, by the album's owner, 49-year-old TV cameraman Colin McDonald.
In 1978 Mr McDonald worked at a record pressing plant in Hayes, Middlesex. It was used to produce a 1,000 limited edition in white vinyl of the double album, originally recorded in 1968, for the management of the Beatles' record company EMI.
But before they were returned to the vaults in London, Colin got overseers to turn a blind eye while he pressed a single album.
He explained: "I never thought about how much money it would make. As a Beatles fan I just wanted to have something that was unique. In fact, until the mid-90s it was in my loft next to my old vinyl copies of Zeppelin, Floyd and Purple."
He was curious about its value and went to Sotheby's for a valuation. "But EMI got a bit humpy about it. I really didn't care about the money so I thought it would be better to put it on display where all Beatles fans could see it," said Colin, who now lives in Buckinghamshire.
The cover has even been signed by Paul McCartney - a passionate collector of his rare past work.
"We couldn't believe our eyes," said Louise Collier, operations manager at The Beatles Story. "This is a once-in-a-lifetime find. Colin's generosity has enabled fans from all over the world the chance to see this unique album."
Pete Nash, the Beatles expert for Record Collector, the world's pop valuation bible, said Beatles oneoffs were at the top of the collectors' tree and valued Colin's specimen at a conservative £5,000. He said there were other Beatles collectables but they were difficult to evaluate as they had never come on to the market but were undoubtedly worth a mint.
"For instance there are covers of the songs Fever and Summertime recorded for a disc in Hamburg in October 1960.
"It had Lou Walters of Rory Storm and the Hurricanes singing with Ringo - still with the Hurricanes - on drums plus John, Paul and George. There are only five known to exist"
George Harrison's Maton MS-500 Mastersound which he played throughout 1963 will go under the hammer at Copper Owen's Music Legends auction at Air Studios in London on Thursday, November 30. It is expected to fetch £100,000.
THE blue "White" album will be on display at the Beatles Story from tomorrow.
Record Collector magazine's Top Five Most Expensive rarities
1 The Quarry Men That'll Be The Day/In Spite of All the Danger (10-inch 78 rpm acetate plain sleeve one copy) 1958 £100,000/priceless.
2 The Quarry Men That'll Be The Day/In Spite of All the Danger(7 inch and 10 inch copies of 1958 acetate Parlophone sleeves) 1981 £10,000. 25 copies of each.
3 Sex Pistols God Save The Queen/No Feelings (A&M AMS 7284) £7,500+. 300 copies only. Beware: much bootlegged.
4 The Beatles "White Album" (Apple PMC/PCS 7067/8) Initial plain white sleeve embossed with numbered copies 1 to 1,000. £5,000 to £8,000 for those numbered 1-10. Next 900 numbered copies usually fetch around £1,000 each.
5 Sex Pistols Anarchy In The UK/No Fun (EMI 401) 7 inch 1976 £6,000+ Double sided acetate three copies of which are known to exist.
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