the Poles are not stealing our jobs, they're just doing our jobs.....for some reason we don't want to.......
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the Poles are not stealing our jobs, they're just doing our jobs.....for some reason we don't want to.......
I had a Polish barber in garston in thehttp://www.turkeytube.co.uk/view_vid...4aa9d5bade97ba early 1960's when I was a kid, he was alright, I always thought it was funny that the hairspray he used to use was Cossack brand (remember that!!)
now I have to go to Turkey for a decent shave most english barbers wont use a cut throat for fear of cross contamination!!!
http://www.turkeytube.co.uk/view_vid...4aa9d5bade97ba
Maybe if the job paid a decent living wage.........Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveFaragher
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Originally Posted by A. D. Williams
Always excuses for people who don't want to work. For minimum wage you can get tax credits to help top up.
Plus for people who don't want to work should encourage foriegn labour, the tax money they contribute will help keep idle scroungers in white lightning.
Always quick with the insults.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shapers
Who am i insulting? I never said you was a scrounger.
Steve, I use to go to the poles just under the bridge, I thought he was called the pole because of the barbers pole outside, my dad and 4 boys day out to the pole, he was great always pleased to see us boys.Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveFaragher
I also had a shave in Bodrum, brilliant and very entertaining; there were a number of locals in the shop including a transvestite sitting in the corner singing songs, never laughed so much and we don't speak the same language.
You can insult me all you like, sausage. It was the people who find themselves out of work I was defending.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shapers
I don't think shapers did insult you AD
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Originally Posted by john
Figure of speech, squire, figure of speech!
Anyway back to the thread
No doubt the Poles work hard, but it is a shame that you feel the need to say local people do not work as hard. Sounds a little racist to me. AD
Racist whats racist, I would say the Repatriation is racist. Its the Poles turn this week, whos next? Me
I did not understand where the racism came in AD?
Lost me sausage :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by A. D. Williams
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Originally Posted by john
Well AD, i have seen the same people who have been 'looking for work' for 10 years or more using the same excuse with any flavour of the month foriegn target. Indians, Philipinos, Kosovans and at the moment its Polish or Czech and in the near future it will be Bulgarians or Romanians. Funny how other people find work though.
I would rather not resort to insulting Queen :)Quote:
Originally Posted by A. D. Williams
I am all for imported skilled labour into the country and nowhere else much more than Liverpool is famous for such a diversity historically. However, one should ask why our own school leavers are not taught the trades and fed into apprenticeships like the old days.
According to a recent Roger Phillips one hour special on radio merseyside, union leaders and older tradesmen feared for the future. It seems lots of foreign construction workers do not have to show a H&S card on sites and are in fact paid as self employed workers meaning that the bosses of the firms do not have to pay tax and NIC and pay a lower wage anyway.
Lower pay results in lower taxes and lower NIC contributions, the likes of which todays contributions by workers are paying for todays elderly which is increasing. Job seekers allowance (by it's very name, a benefit paid whilst job seeking should be discontinued if people are not genuinely job seeking)
Remembering that the welfare state was set up to help people in real hardship and the dole was for people 'between employment' (and not meant to mean 10 years) seems to have gone from an assistance to a right.
In the meantime, as more and more countries enter the E.U. free movement of people and employment, expect an even bigger drain on resources such as the NHS and housing as we can only sustain so much before something has to give. The imbalance is that the wealthier people are leaving these shores and taking their money with them that their new hosts abroad demand.
Is there evidence that 'our own school leavers' are interested? Is there evidence that locals with the required skill base are being passed over when applying for jobs in favour of cheaper overseas labour? So much of this seems like hearsay. My understanding is that there isn't the required skill base locally. (Apart from 'painters and decorators'). Isn't there also something about quite a few people without any skills or qualifications seeing themselves as deserving more than the minimum wage and refusing to work for what they describe as 'peanuts'?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
I welcome all the newcomers wherever they come from as long as they are prepared to work for the greater good. I'm greatful for the contributions they make to the city's propsperity.
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Originally Posted by Jericho
New EU migrants may be eroding pay levels
· Senior adviser warns Blair over east European influx
· PM due to give key speech today on future of work
Patrick Wintour, political editor
Friday March 30, 2007
The Guardian
The influx of immigrants into the EU from the 10 eastern European accession countries may be starting to push down wages among low-paid workers, and leading to a rise in unemployment among unskilled workers, the prime minister has been told by one of his closest advisers.
Tony Blair was given the politically sensitive information by Lord Turner at a seminar in preparation for a major lecture today on the future of work. The lecture is one of a series of valedictory addresses being given by the prime minister.
Concerns over the impact of immigration are understood to be shared by ministers at the Department for Work and Pensions, even though the government's official economic analysis has not yet shown a clear link between falling pay levels and immigration from eastern Europe.
Lord Turner, a former chairman of the Low Pay Commission and author of the government's landmark report on pensions, told Mr Blair that the latest evidence suggested that migrants were beginning to push down wages at the lower end of the income scale. They were displacing some less skilled workers, making it more difficult to persuade some of the long-term unemployed to seek work - partly because the immigrant workers were more willing to work unlawfully for less than the minimum wage.
The influx may also make it more difficult to increase the level of the minimum wage in the future. The introduction of the minimum wage in 1999 will be hailed by Mr Blair in today's speech as one of the major achievements of the Labour government.
Since the 10 eastern European countries joined the EU, the UK economy has absorbed an estimated 500,000 migrant workers, although many of these will have returned to their native country.
Mr Blair was urged by other academics at the seminar to do more to counter growing wage inequalities in Britain, on the basis that widening inequalities between senior executives and other workers within a company can reduce productivity. He has been reluctant to take such advice, arguing that any wage inequality has been driven by international competition for senior executives.
In his speech, Mr Blair will argue that the Labour government has given a new meaning to the term "labour flexibility", turning it from a euphemism for exploitation into a phrase which helps to empower workers with skills and rights.
"In the era of open economies, a flexible labour market is a desirable, indeed a necessary, thing," the prime minister will say. "We saw flexibility as a two-way street. We wanted to give flexibility to the employee as well as the employer.
"This used to be posed as a choice: either a flexible labour market or rights for workers. We saw that you could have a flexible labour market and a flexible labour force. Indeed, that it was vital to have both."
Source: Guardian Unlimited
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Originally Posted by Jericho
I only go on what is reported in the radio show I mentioned so not hearsay. The Linda McDermott show also had the Arriva bus Co boss on who had (illegally) applied to an overseas recruitment agency (you can't discriminate on ageist, sexist, racist issues as you know so definitely cannot legally do what these did) to supply polish workers. When asked by the local job centre official why they had not applied locally he said there was no uptake. The JC offical asked how he knew this if he'd bypassed his local JC in the first place. The silence was deafening. Like I say, all well and good when there's full employment here but you fall into the trap of government policies whereby you ask are school leavers interested? Well maybe if they were given the option of no job seekers allowance if they're ''not interested'' you'd see a bigger uptake. Eg. Warren Bradley says that only just over 50% of all the Grosvenor Development workers are Liverpool based and the new arena's overseas workers is quite a high percentage yet I know lads who'd love to get on the trademens/brickie/plasterers rung but the funding and training services are dismal. I too welcome overseas workers who work for the greater good but let's not fall into the trap that ALL youngsters can't be arsed as that's as bad as saying all estates are overun by all youngsters when it's only a small percentage and the rest do want to work.
The fact of the matter is, the enemy of the homegrown jobseekers is the Employment Bosses. They choose to skip local JC applications and go straight to the foriegn workers (in this case, Arriva) and the Polish come here chuffed to bits that they are able to make, compared to what they get back home, a fortune. Sadly what they get is a frosty reception from colleagues who should be getting the union involved and making the Polish fight for the same wage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
But, a lot of Brits 'won't get out of bed' for minimum wage and think certain jobs are beneath them. But they are happy to live on £57 or £45 a week. I myself is on minimum wage and on an agency and in casual work because i was laid off from my last job at christmas and was on ok money, i got sick of doing nothing for over 2 months and applied for well over 25 jobs and only got one reply, the one am doing now.
Now i can sit here and like the rest say 'they prefer Poles' but i have been on and off agencies for almost 10 years and sometimes could be the only person that turns up for the job on behalf of the agency. Now if 4 of you are mean't to start, thats not good. The Poles and other foriegn workers turn up at a drop of a hat, hence they get the nod. Wrong, maybe, but would what would you do if you was getting let down constantly and losing money? Even in my last job, a agency sent a number of workers and only 2 of them were from Liverpool. One ended up with a full time job, but the other was moaning about the job, claiming he could do better and did very little and moaned about the foriegners. He lasted one afternoon.
There is a fair few local people who can sit at home all day and smoke pot or drink vodka or sit in the pub whilst reaping more than £57 a week through cheating the system. If these people don't fill in local vacancies, then a lot of companies have no choice but to look elsewhere.
Therein lies the problem. Government policy but it's a tough one.
Do you take the hard line and withdraw benefits thereby declaring 'let's see you go the pub and buy your weed (and harder stuff) now' whereupon many will cry that it's only forcing these types into further wrongdoing to suppliment their 'life choice' - which it is. Or - what?
There is a hardcore element who will simply will not work. And lets be honest, would you want those who have no intention of pulling there weight working on your team? I don't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
I don't know what the answer is, you listed what would happen if they took away there benefits.
No, I wouldn't want the hardcore element on my team but are these not just a small percentage of those currently out of work. The trouble is, as layabouts from the last couple of decades have children who are not used to a breadwinner and a workers mentality in the home and so they procreate causing generations of this ilk - and so the problem will get worse. I wouldn't like to think imported labour as being the long term solution as what will our grandchildren's prospects be.
You contradict yourself. You ask for evidence, yet make the statement below without supporting it with evidence. Quite funny actually:unibrow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
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Originally Posted by Jericho
LOL! And I thought I was asking a question.Quote:
Originally Posted by scouserdave
I would of said it was a question
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jericho
LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Shapers
HilariousQuote:
Originally Posted by scouserdave
If they are fit for work, but will not then I suggest the cat'o'nine tails. Soaking said item before hand in salt water does the trick. It might be a little harsh, but it works all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shapers
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Think the overseas labour idea works better :)Quote:
Originally Posted by A. D. Williams
Well I though it had been a civilised discussion and then........
Find its best just to go with the flow John.Quote:
Originally Posted by john
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Originally Posted by Jericho
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Originally Posted by scouserdave
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Originally Posted by scouserdave
ROTFLMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by Shapers
Maybe its too early in the morning, what does this mean Kev?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kev
Rolling on the floor laughing my a*** offQuote:
Originally Posted by john
Right :shock:
Keep the laughing going john :)