Princes Dock Area

What the hell does joyless and weak mean?
Can anyone name a building that brings to mind joy?
This can't be knocked back just because its next to a minging 12 foot, ugly brick wall wrongly described in this article as "historic".
These people don't understand the meaning of the word.
It seems that the only thing to come from the phoney World Heritage status is the excuse for every backwards lunatic group to try and restrict Liverpool's regeneration by any means necessary.
Well its got to stop.
Where were they when the Beetham tower was built in Manc?
Why are our politicians not telling these outsiders to mind their own business?
I feel like knocking the dock wall down with a JCB to put a stop to this cr*p.
Rant over (for now!).

I had to laugh at English Heretics remarks that the tower could be split into two smaller buildings. Opportunistic *******s. They're the sole reason that WHS should be kicked into touch. You only need look at the site next door to view a compromised graceless stump designed to be 'in keeping' with the area. Bunch of vultures.

If this is considered joyless and weak, then what the hell is Beetham in Manc?

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Originally Posted by Bunnyman

I had to laugh at English Heretics remarks that the tower could be split into two smaller buildings. Opportunistic *******s. They're the sole reason that WHS should be kicked into touch. You only need look at the site next door to view a compromised graceless stump designed to be 'in keeping' with the area. Bunch of vultures.

If this is considered joyless and weak, then what the hell is Beetham in Manc?

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I think they want everything to be in basements and nothing above ground.

Beetham Manc is not an attractive building at all.

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Originally Posted by Harry

What the hell does joyless and weak mean?
Can anyone name a building that brings to mind joy?
This can't be knocked back just because its next to a minging 12 foot, ugly brick wall wrongly described in this article as "historic".
These people don't understand the meaning of the word.
It seems that the only thing to come from the phoney World Heritage status is the excuse for every backwards lunatic group to try and restrict Liverpool's regeneration by any means necessary.
Well its got to stop.
Where were they when the Beetham tower was built in Manc?

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Beetham Manc is not in a World Heritage Zone. And they have a point about the multi-floor car park. One shoul not be allowed on any WHS or a buffer zone.

Where are they now there is a proposal to fill in West Waterloo Dock? I don't hear them shouting from the rooftops.

When English Heritage and CABE get together to condemn a tower it's usually it's death knell in its present form,the best case senario is they'll come back with a better design and the worst is English Heritage will get their way like they did at Central Village and we will end up with 2 smaller towers that do little for the skyline,my money's on the latter.:disgust:

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Originally Posted by Howie

And last night English Heritage suggested the tower should be split into two smaller buildings.

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Of course they would unless of course it was in Manchester, then it would be suggested they add a few more storeys to the height. English Heritage in Englands North West is Manchester based and Mancunians predominate in that organization. Funny, don't you think, that English Heritage had little problem giving the thumbs up to the abominations of the Crowne Plaza Hotel and the student accomodation on Skelhorne Street? Both of these developments wouldn't be out of place in a Russian Soviet era development.

Imagine what Liverpool would have looked like today if there had been a Manchester based English Heritage at the time William Brown Street, St. Georges Hall, Pier Head and the Anglican Cathedral had been proposed.

Also, John, it's not the height of the car park they have issue with, it's the number of spaces! Pathetic!

Waterways, you seem to know a lot about the dock area.
I think they're wrong when they describe this section by princess dock as being built by French Napoleonic War prisoners.
I think they've mixed it up with the white stone wall further down the dock road that looks like crazy paving, very intricate.
This part is just red brick, ugly and like a Berlin Wall on Liverpool's business district.
Can you clear this up?

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Originally Posted by Harry

Waterways, you seem to know a lot about the dock area.
I think they're wrong when they describe this section by princess dock as being built by French Napoleonic War prisoners.
I think they've mixed it up with the white stone wall further down the dock road that looks like crazy paving, very intricate.
This part is just red brick, ugly and like a Berlin Wall on Liverpool's business district.
Can you clear this up?

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You are right. It is not that attractive while the white stone further up is. The French also built the walls around Wapping Docks too, if my memory is correct - lots of this was demolished.

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Originally Posted by Bunnyman

Also, John, it's not the height of the car park they have issue with, it's the number of spaces! Pathetic!

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The spaces appear excessive. the volume alone will make a car park big building. I can't see the need for car parks, unless they dig down which mean it will be wet.

It seems strange but all this 'Hooh-Haa'...should have arisen 5 or 6 Weeks ago as the 'CABE' Report on this building was issued 2nd.August 2006.....See Here...http://www.cabe.org.uk/default.aspx?...d=0&sl=:ninja:

Reading CABE's synopsis of this proposal, it does seem that their main reason for not liking it is, indeed, the dock wall.
They say that it is not part of a tall buildings cluster because it is seperated from the others by the wall-my reason exactly for wanting it bulldozed.
I don't think this part is listed, in fact I'm going to check.
This madness of keeping us back to the benefit of Manchester has got to be stopped.

Taken from the top of Laing O'Rourke's site office yesterday
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexaug.jpg

Nice pic :)

Taken yesterday:disgust:
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.com/princessept001.jpg

:D

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Originally Posted by Harry

Reading CABE's synopsis of this proposal, it does seem that their main reason for not liking it is, indeed, the dock wall.
They say that it is not part of a tall buildings cluster because it is seperated from the others by the wall-my reason exactly for wanting it bulldozed.
I don't think this part is listed, in fact I'm going to check.
This madness of keeping us back to the benefit of Manchester has got to be stopped.

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The Dock wall is potected at this point. Developments can go around it. The odd hole in it here and there will not be so much of a problem.

Forget Manchester, concentrate on Liverpool and the Wirral.

Most of the people involved in CABE and English Heritage who are sabotaging almost every major scheme in Liverpool with their pathetic, petty sniping are based in Manchester.
This fact can't be ignored. Its time for everyone to take their head out of the sand on this. we are losing massive investment to that city's benefit thanks to a very small group of people with dodgy agendas.
I'm certain the vast majority of Liverpool people want all of these projects to go ahead but the embarrassing list of schemes that are collapsing due to interferening busybodies grows longer by the week.
Why are the majority who want to drag the city forward constantly ignored by our planners who only seem to listen to the backwards brigade?

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Originally Posted by Harry

Most of the people involved in CABE and English Heritage who are sabotaging almost every major scheme in Liverpool with their pathetic, petty sniping are based in Manchester.
This fact can't be ignored. Its time for everyone to take their head out of the sand on this. we are losing massive investment to that city's benefit thanks to a very small group of people with dodgy agendas.
I'm certain the vast majority of Liverpool people want all of these projects to go ahead but the embarrassing list of schemes that are collapsing due to interferening busybodies grows longer by the week.
Why are the majority who want to drag the city forward constantly ignored by our planners who only seem to listen to the backwards brigade?

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Well said Harry :celb (6):

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Originally Posted by Harry

Reading CABE's synopsis of this proposal, it does seem that their main reason for not liking it is, indeed, the dock wall.
They say that it is not part of a tall buildings cluster because it is seperated from the others by the wall-my reason exactly for wanting it bulldozed.
I don't think this part is listed, in fact I'm going to check.
This madness of keeping us back to the benefit of Manchester has got to be stopped.

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The dock wall at Princes Dock was the first Dock wall dating from 1821. For over 100 years the docks were open to the public and they could walk the quays - like at parts of Birkenhead. This meant there could be theft from the warehouses on the quays, of which there was plenty. The warehouses were privately owned. The Dock wall offered a sealed secutre dock estate. Eventualy the dock warehouse became owned by the MDHB with most being transit sheds and all Liverpool docks had policed exits and entrances.

Riverside flats in great demand


MORE than £1m worth of flats

have been sold in a month for Liverpool's latest riverside apartments block.

Construction on the 27-storey Alexandra Tower is set to be complete by

May 2008.

But sales have been going strong and property expert Knight Frank's Liverpool office said demand for homes at the 201-apartment development

on Princes Dock shows the strength of the market for waterfront

living.

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/l...name_page.html

Great news Paul

A few shots taken yesterday from Alexandra

Tower.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006001.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006002.jpg


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http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006003.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006004.jpg

Nice snaps

SD, cheers :PDT_Aliboronz_24: .

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Originally Posted by Kev

Nice snaps SD, cheers :PDT_Aliboronz_24: .

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All the thanks should go to my Canny Farm

mate who got me up there. BTW if anyone is in the slightest bit related to Canny Farm, get down to the Sandon Pub on Saturday. There's a big get together in

the back room which is basically owned by them. I've made my excuses. **** that! They've been known to disappear for a couple of weeks after a meet up.

Living daaaarn Sarf! has softened me.

Excellent photos Dave - I

especially like the last one, quite a unique view, that. The north docks seem to look so different from up there!

Splendid pictures, Dave. I have

pictures of that dock to put up, but just haven't had the time.

:Colorz_Grey_PDT_24:

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Originally Posted by A.D.Williams

Splendid pictures, Dave. I have pictures of that dock to put up,

but just haven't had the time.

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Thanks Dave, looking forward to them. When did you get up there? Lying Canny Farm tw*t

told me I was the first photographerbore up there. Ditto Baltic Triangle. I'll have to have a word with him next week:unibrow:

Oh sorry, Dave! I keep my feet firmly on t'ground. So you

are the first up that tower.

:)

Loving the views those lucky sods are going to have,fantastic set of pictures Dave.:celb (23):

13th Nov 2006

City Lofts:

http://static.flickr.com/109/296455922_810a523abd.jpg

Alexandra Tower:

http://static.flickr.com/100/296456052_e46bae6b64.jpg

What's this?

http://static.flickr.com/115/296456101_447a29b372.jpg

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http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006003.jpg

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Why don't we ever see imaginative architecture around the docks? Look at this. Imagine two block on opposite quays. About 6 floors up then join them across the dock. The block need to look the same, neither the interconnecting part. Then have visiting ships berth in the dock.

To easy isn't it.

A few more shots from the Alexandra Development

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006007.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006005.jpg

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006006.jpg

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Originally Posted by Waterways

Why don't we ever see imaginative architecture around the docks? Look at this. Image two block on opposite quays. About 6 floors up then join them across the dock. The block need to look the same, neither the interconnecting part. Then have visiting ships berth in the dock.

To easy isn't it.

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The original spec NWS was original didn't you think?

Just had my head in a new town-planning book showcasing the evolving port cities of the world. It's quite inspiring. I'll get the title of it for you. We get a footnote.

You get a good view of the old railway lines that went to Riverside Station in this one...

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006003.jpg

Kev, I think there was once a travelling crane there on the end of the landing stage, and that hut was probably to do with it, or with other equipment on the landing stage.

I've posted these before in the exploration section, but they're interesting nonetheless... this is the old tunnel that lead from the Prince's Half Tide dockside into the landing stage lower level, I assume for maintenance/loading? The tunnel has since been backfilled and the tower block built on top of it.

http://www.level-two.co.uk/reports/i...rpool40006.jpg

http://www.level-two.co.uk/reports/i...rpool40008.jpg

http://www.level-two.co.uk/reports/i...rpool40007.jpg

Needless to say, I didn't try walking out across the boards!!

Great pics Snappel. I think it's a gatekeeper's hut.
Here's a shot from above.
http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/alexnov2006008.jpg

That's excellent - I can see it properly now! Yes, you're probably right... I wonder what will happen to that lot...

it should be rejuvinated into a boardwalk

I forgot this pic was on my site. It's from that excellent set by Brian Saville. You can see the hut at the top of the pic.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/...ngstage001.jpg

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I forgot this pic was on my site. It's from that excellent set by Brian Saville. You can see the hut at the top of the pic.

http://www.liverpoolpictorial.co.uk/...ngstage001.jpg

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Oh! A man in a gas man's mack! The landing stage moved uop and down besides this structure. I always assumed this was to stop the stage from breaking away in storms. How did they get to the stage without waiting for the right time of the tide?