Brilliant information, an excellent read, thanks for sharing :PDT_Aliboronz_24:. I find out new things every day
about Liverpool, great stuff!!!
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Brilliant information, an excellent read, thanks for sharing :PDT_Aliboronz_24:. I find out new things every day
about Liverpool, great stuff!!!
The first Liverpool Zoo to be opened to the public was The Liverpool Zoological Gardens in West Derby Road. The proprietor was Thomas Atkins and they were opened on 27 May 1833.
They were closed in 1863, and Boaler, Goldsmith, Bourne and Empire Streets were built on the site.
On an 1836 map, Zoological Gardens are shown at Pembroke Place and Boundary Place, but nothing else is known about this zoo.
Cross's Menagerie was at Old Hall Street by January 1878, and this zoo moved close by to Earle Street in November 1879.
On 24 August 1898 there was a fire in which many wild animals were destroyed.
The closing date hasn't been established, but it was still open in 1911.
Edmonds' (late Wombwell's) Menagerie was sold by auction at Kensington Fields on July 29 & 30, 1884; and the stud of 50 draught horses sold by auction at Aintree Race Course, 31 July 1884.
Nothing else is known about this place, and it may not have been a public zoo.
The Rice Lane Zoo was called the Liverpool Zoological Gardens, and opened about 1884. It was never a success and it was last mentioned in Gore’s Directory for 1892, although a more recent source says it closed in 1897. Part of the site was later occupied by the Dunlop Rubber Company, and the entrance gates are still there.
Bostock & Wombwell's Gigantic Menagerie (aka The Liverpool Zoo), adjoining the Olympia, West Derby Road. (Liverpool Echo, 29 December 1905).
This was almost certainly a temporary structure, taking advantage of the fact that the Olympia had opened at Easter 1905.
The Grafton Rooms were built on this site.
Cross's Menagerie (Open-air Zoo). By 11 July 1921 Cross's Menagerie was in Otterspool Grounds, and was still there on 29 July 1927.
The closing date has yet to be verified, but wouldn't have been any later than the 1920s.
The most recent zoo was run by Captain Rogers on the Rosemont Estate in Mossley Hill. It was open from 1932 to 1938 and Rosemont Road has been built on the site.
This article about Underlea school, Aigburth, gives a brief mention to the Mossley Hill zoo
http://www.eighthundredlives.org.uk/...lton.aspx?JS=1
Here is what Freddy O'Connor writes about the Parrot Pub which was on Hygeia Street off West Derby Road - a pub that John Zappa was asking about and I posted it up on the pub thread.
''Its origins go back to the 1830s when a large house existed at the junction of Hygeia Street and Rake Lane (later West Derby Road). A zoological gardens had opened opposite in 1832, with the entrance facing Hygeia Street. A Mr. William Mayman who resided in the house in question acquired a job as a keeper in the zoo. He became something of a local hero when he was injured rescuing a young boy who was being mauled by an escaped bear. As a reward for his brave deed, a subscription was raised which resulted in him opening part of his house as a pub.
He comissioned a sign which read 'Mayman in the jaws of the bear' which apparently attracted quite a clientele and by 1843, the premises was licenced as the man and bear. By the 1850s when the licensee was a Mr Mitchell, the name had been changed to the Parrot, then at No.181. The premises were then added to or rebuilt in the 1860s as from then on it was listed as 127 West Derby Road.
It was a decorative pub boasting two statues on its facade. William Ryder was the manager in 1903 when it also had adjoining cocoa rooms which were listed as the British workman public House Co. Ltd.
This 1960s view when the manager was Joseph Ainsworth shows the former cocoa rooms then listed to Low & Co Builders Merchants and at 131, Crown Fireplace specialists. Adjoining the pub in Hygeia street was TKS Motor Engineering. Part of Ogdens Tobacco works can be seen in the background. Listed 1964.''
The old entrance to the Zoo is just past theQuote:
Originally Posted by miss st helens
Plough Pub, on the old Dunlops site, if you look above the gate you will see the different animals carved into the arch.
Very interesting thread this, who'd have thought we'd had so many zoos and menageries?Quote:
Originally Posted by robbo176
Great pictures robbo, what is the exact location of the cafe (what road/roads is it on)?
I recall my mum telling me about her dad who was in the navy brought a monkey back home.
This monkey ended up being a gorrila and had to be put in the Liverpool Zoo.
:PDT_Xtremez_42:
it was on Rice Lane,on the opposite side of the HospitalQuote:
Originally Posted by researchwriter
There was a Zoo in Walton. It was on the site of the old Dunlops Factory which stood next to the Plough Pub, and the entrance was directly off Rice Lane.. Dunlops kept the original entrance and lodge. The arched entrance had lovely animal statuary build into the arch. I worked in Walton Hospital for 12 years in the 70s and 80s and quite a bit of the old brickwork from the Zoo still remained. You could clearly see that it was an old Zoo and I often admired the beautiful arch.. After Dunlops closed the old Zoo Lodge was used as a flower shop for years. Have not been back for years but for all I know it might still remain. Many of the old Dunlops and Hospital employees,who often lived locally, talked about the Zoo and how their parents remembered going to it so I presume it was Victorian. It should not be confused with Rice Lane City Farm is on the opposite side from the Zoo and can be accessed via Rawcliffe Road, which is a few roads past the hospital, going towards Walton Vale; at the end of Rawcliffe cross over the railway bridge and you will find yourself in the old Cemetery which is now the Rice Lane City Farm. I used to live in the next road. There is a lot of history in that area, including an old closed Jewish Cemetery, also at the back of the old Zoo
The Roger Philips phone-in over the last couple of days has featured a number of calls regarding the Rice Lane zoo with people mentioning the monkey huts, the liver bird, the Indian female workers in the subsequent Dunlops factory who may have been direct descendants of the original elephant handlers etc.
I emailed this thread to Roger Philips telling him this is the place to go to find the info.
Here's a few attachments about Liverpool Zoo/ Zoological Park, 'Rosemount'
Elmswood Road, Mossley Hill [Where the university is located now?]:
1- Picture of owner - H.E. Rogers
2- Press cutting of adverts for selling off of animals and effects
3- Press cutting on closure of zoo [there is information about other Liverpool zoo type establishments including locations, worth a read]
4- Press cutting on story of escaped monkey which was eventually killed [continued]
5- Press cutting of its opening in 1932
6- Press cutting on story of escaped monkey which was eventually killed
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Originally Posted by robbo176
If you look closely, you'll find the gatehouse on these.
Walton-on-the-hill, Zoological Gardens, Rice Lane - 1883.
From the LRO.
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/8...ent1883hj1.jpg
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http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/3...out1883lo3.jpg
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oh that's fascinating. I took pics of that last week. My hubby remembers one as the gatehouse for Dunlops. I was baffled why the animals as I thought it a bit ornate for a rubber company.
it's a mobility shop now, and before that a florist.
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2...icture1333.jpg
http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e2...icture1334.jpg
Map of Kensington Zoo
http://www.militaryimages.net/ims/pic/5JMbGx/303.jpg
from kensington library.
Saw some postcards today of monkeys at "Liverpool Zoological Park". They were old black and white ones from the 1940s or 50s. Does anyone know of where it was?
There were a few Chris - see here: http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/pas...cal-parks.html
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There was a zoo at Aigburth vale when my mom was very young. She would have been in her mid 80s now. She used to tell me a story about an Ape that escaped and was in the trees behind the shops by the tram station at the vale. The police had to shoot him.
Sad about having to destroy the ape although I suppose these things are necessary for public safety. I have also heard stories about the zoo near Aigburth Vale, though I think or am under the impression that it was up toward Sudley on the town (north) side on the estate. If I am wrong about that, please someone feel free to correct me. Maybe Taffy or PhilipG or someone will know?Quote:
Originally Posted by 6 of chips
Chris
Yes I think you are right . After all sudley is only 10 mins walk away, and guess what stands behind the door in one of the rooms in the Art gallery,
an Ape.
Ged's already given the link to the definitive thread on Liverpool Zoos, which includes a full list of them. :PDT_Aliboronz_24:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
That's strange, never new Liverpool has a zoo...ever!
Thanks for the link to this thread.
(Dazza?)
Very interesting. :handclap:
Thanks QS, but the credit should go to Ged for posting the link.
I'm aware that this is going back a good while now, but do you remember which book this is a quote from? Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
Yes, it's from 'A pub on every corner' Volume 3 of 4'
"....had adjoining cocoa rooms..."
OK... what's a cocoa room?
Cocoa rooms were set up by the temperence society who thought of pubs and beer houses as evil and dingy allowing kids to be served with jug of ale for their ne'er do well fathers. This led to the building of grand gin palaces such as the crown, vines, central commercial, philharmonic and midland in retaliation to show that such places were a thing of the past.
My nan used to talk about the cocoa rooms. I used to laugh at the idea of it. :) I had visions of everyone sitting around nursing mugs of cocoa :)Quote:
Originally Posted by az_gila
Hi Miss Liverpool has had several zoos through the ages not to be confused with ZOOALOGICAL gardens Just before i tell you about rice lane The park at the top of westderby road by the register office is called Grant gardens and never was a zoo at was a cemetary in the victorian days. The picture of the elephant towing the car is at the top of break road you can see the watertower in the picture
Yhat was a circus and Zoo. Did you know there was a zoo on top of Lewisis store. Anyway back to rice lane. Yes it had a zooalogical gardens
I think walton hall park was part ot it and it covered a huge area The entrance was Inbetween Dunlops or that Resterant and you know that little flower shop it used to sell mobility stuff well the gates where just there and that little shop its closed down now by the way well that was the gatehouse to the park and yes its the original building, Kennsingtomn Zooalogical gardens was the biggerst and newsham park was part of that The ran from Kenny almost to breck road and from low hill up to near the flower market on Prescot road. I have seen a map of this. Also i think i may have seen a picture on this site of the entrance to the rice lane one.
Cheers Coilin
Rice Lane still has a farm and it is an active working farm to this day....the fields around it are mass paupers graves with over half a million unamed people buried in graves 10 deep and more...my Grandad is buried in his own grave in one of the avenues that lead to Walton hospital... part of Walton hospital used to be a work house and many many thousands of the dead in the paupers graves are Irish people that fled the potato famine and died of illness at the work house.. the dead would be piled high on wooden handcarts and pushed down the paths to the fields that are now the animal grazing areas... the bodys were tipped from the handcarts and buried...James Carlng is buried there... so is Robert Tressel Noonan (The Ragged Trousered Philanthropist) in a paupers grave ..his grave has only recently had a memorial stone put on to show he is buried there.... I'll put pictures around the farm and cemetary on soon with more info..
Hi Colin, welcome to Yo! Sorry to point out but, there's no difference between a 'zoo' and a 'zoological garden'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colinone
Zoo
c.1847, short for Zoological Gardens of the London Zoological Society, established 1828 in Regent's Park to house the society's collection of wild animals. From comb. form of Gk. zoion "an animal," lit. "a living being," from PIE base *gwei- "to live, life" (cf. Gk. bios "life," O.E. cwicu "living;" see bio-). Slang meaning "crowded and chaotic place" first recorded 1935
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?...earchmode=none
The zoological gardens where just a little further along West Derby Road, close to where the Grafton Rooms are today [there's probably a few gags in there, but I'll save 'em for another day]. The main entrance was opposite "Hygeia Street" aptly named in its honour. Here's an early map from 1848 [LRO] showing the zoological gardens, complete with 'Monkey House', 'Elephant House' etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by Colinone
Attachment 18281
Hey thats ok Dazza as long as the lady gets the info
Funny i havent seen the map of kennisington gardens untill this morning
i always thought it was bigger.
By the way i went to butler street school long time ago though My great Granddads
name was on a brass plate on the wall in there. He died in the first world war
This is one fantastic site for leaning stuff and some clever people .
Thanks
Colin
Hi Colin, I'm glad you're enjoying Yo, I learn new things on here almost every visit.
Just one point on Kensington Gardens. Although they appear to be linked to the Zoological Gardens on West Derby Road, they are in fact independent of each other, and are broken by Kensington (road). The Zoological Gardens were established first and clearly shown on maps of the 1850's. Part of Kensington Park was a reservoir at that time. Although now filled in the outline does survive.
Cheers,
Daz
I haven't looked back to see if it's been mentioned but there was one in Mossley Hill as well wasn't there as my pa in law remembers?
Hi Ged, it's shown on the 1937/38 map. But dates from not much earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ged
Attachment 18283
Cheers,
Daz