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I didn't know I had any Irish ancestors until I started doing my family tree. I have discovered ancestors on my Dad's side from County Cavan, Waterford or Wexford (stupid census people!) and Belfast and more but the census info lists them only as "Ireland". They lived in the Vauxhall area in the 1800s ie Denison Street, Stewart Street, Denbigh Street, Porter Street, Regent Street, Clay Street and Sand Street. The rest of the family came from England, Wales, Scotland and the Isle Of Man.
Col
My great-grandparents came to Liverpool in the 18's too , My Great grandmothers name was Sarah Farrelly , she lived on the dock road , when her children were little , she fell or caught fire , she burned to death , my nana and her sisters and brothers had to be raised in an orphanage ... My nana's name was Annie Farrelly.. My Nana told me that her mother 'Sarah' had given birth to her first child Mary Farrelly , on the Irish boat sailing to Liverpool ..poor woman :(
I think a statue is an excellent idea .Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
I'm still tracing my Irish ancestors. They're a funny lot they used to marry in the C of E church then baptise the children in the RC church! Must have been cheaper or easier to marry C of E. At least they were'n't prejudiced like a lot people years ago.
There's a useful website called Liverpool History Projects that has RC records from the 1800s that includes a lot of people of Irish origin. It's fairly new it will eventually contain marriage and baptism information for the period when most Irish people came to Liverpool.
Col
Hi Blue70,
This may help explain why?
In 1778 a 'Catholic Relief Act' allowed Catholics to own property, inherit land and join the army. Hardline Protestant mobs reacted in the Gordon Riots in 1780, attacking any building in London which was associated with Catholicism or owned by Catholics.
With the Roman Catholic Relief Act of 1829 allowing full RC clergy representation in England, and followed by the mass immigration of catholics from Ireland, with the famine - led to an easing of the earlier discrimination. More RC churches...and more in RC marriage ceremonies.
Daz
It was British Law. They were forced to marry in CofE Churches because the marriage wasn't legal under British Law if it was in there own Church.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blue70
It was changed sometime in the 1900's I believe.
Just as an fyi, do you know right now in British Law a Muslim Hindu Sieke Jew etc etc etc, every religion can marry into the Royal Family and become Queen, any religion except Catholic, even now!
One of the 'heirs to the throne' married a Catholic in the 60's and had to forgo his right to the throne even though he was something like 200th odd in place.
Crazy eh?
A part of the Royal family are Catholic. Duke of Kent? Anyone can marry into the royal family. It is being the monarch that precludes Catholics. Tony Blair & Brown are trying get this discrimination stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by H_Asbo
Rewriting the Act of Settlement requires the consent of all 53 Commonwealth countries, and Mr Brown hopes to discuss the proposal at the Commonwealth summit
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...holic-ban.html
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The Act of Settlement 1701 means a member of the Royal Family marrying a Catholic relinquishes their right of succession to the British throne, the Act does not include marriage to an Anglican who subsequently becomes a Catholic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
That Law only stands if marrying a catholic, marry a jew hindi seike etc etc etc and you can still carry on as normal.
Oh and the duke of kents wife converted to catholicism, she wasn't a catholic when they married!
Thats what I said in my original post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterways
Why are you telling me what i already said?
I asked about this anomalie about why some catholics married in C of E churches and received this information:-
"Many Catholic couples married at C of E churches. They always baptised their children 'properly' but I think they considered marriage to be as much a legal as a religious requirement. Perhaps it was cheaper and easier to get married at a C of E church. At a Catholic church you would have to obtain a 'certificate' (instead of banns) and then pay both the priest and the registrar. At a C of E church three readings of the banns would suffice plus the vicar acted as the registrar.
Catholic couples marrying elsewhere was considered to be such a problem that the church introduced a new marriage law in 1908 making only marriages at Catholic churches valid. It is after this date that the practice of adding the information about subsequent marriages to the baptism entries were introduced. When the marriage parties applied for their baptism details the priest was meant to add the new information but looking at the registers its obvious that some of them were more efficient than others. The absence of marriage information doesn't mean any particular child didn't marry."
Col