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Ok Ged thanx.
Any ideas on every street,the parrot,the palladium and Gloucester place?
Well Shytalk's got it right about the location of Every street and the joke of course was a resident there could say he lived in every street in Liverpool. Gloucster Place is only there in part now, the local pub was in the next street, the Phythian which is still there (blue and white) but not open for business I think. Don't know about the parrot or palladium pubs but they might be in Freddy O'Connors books.
Them pubs are in no books Ged.
My dad has been looking for years for any pics of em'.
He painted them and many others around Liverpool.
Gloucester place photos wanted too!Quote:
Originally Posted by John(Zappa)
(reposted this just to keep the thread going on it and hopefully someone will come up trumps):PDT_Piratz_26:
So what was your dad saying John...........tell him to eat his words ;)
Quite a story behind the building too.
Its origins go back to the 1830s when a large house existed at the junction of Hygeia Street and Rake Lane (later West Derby Road). A zoological gardens had opened opposite in 1832, with the entrance facing Hygeia Street. A Mr. William Mayman who resided in the house in question acquired a job as a keeper in the zoo. He became something of a local hero when he was injured rescuing a young boy who was being mauled by an escaped bear. As a reward for his brave deed, a subscription was raised which resulted in him opening part of his house as a pub.
He comissioned a sign which read 'Mayman in the jaws of the bear' which apparently attracted quite a clientele and by 1843, the premises was licenced as the man and bear. By the 1850s when the licensee was a Mr Mitchell, the name had been changed to the Parrot, then at No.181. The premises were then added to or rebuilt in the 1860s as from then on it was listed as 127 West Derby Road.
It was a decorative pub boasting two statues on its facade. William Ryder was the manager in 1903 when it also had adjoining cocoa rooms which were listed as the British workman public House Co. Ltd.
This 1960s view when the manager was Joseph Ainsworth shows the former cocoa rooms then listed to Low & Co Builders Merchants and at 131, Crown Fireplace specialists. Adjoining the pub in Hygeia street was TKS Motor Engineering. Part of Ogdens Tobacco works can be seen in the background. Listed 1964.
Source: Freddy O'Connor.
I knew you wouldn't sleep until you found out this mystery Ged.
Brilliant stuff.Can't wait to show the ol' fella.
Cheers (sometimes you really are amazing Ged).:PDT11
Thanks John. It was just a case of trawling through my books and knowing which one it might be in. Still can't find the Palladium though :( Do you know which street it was in?
Hi Ged,
I think I recall my dad saying The Palladium was near Farnworth st.
I will get more info asap.
:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
John, I really appreciate you giving Corrie a miss for this, cheers mate ;)
Adverts are on!!!
No problem.:PDT_Piratz_26:
Ged...
Just phoned the ol' fella and he said The Palladium was on Empire street.
He bought his first house there for £200.!!!!
O.K. I'll check it out next time i'm in the LRO.
Liverpool regeneration project to create 175 energy efficient homes
Publisher: Jon Land
Published: 07/12/2007
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Liverpool regeneration project
to create 175 energy efficient
homes
Work has started on an exciting £24 million regeneration project in Liverpool which will see the construction of 175 energy efficient homes.
The development is being led by Riverside Housing and its subsidiary Community Seven in partnership with Lovell, Liverpool City Council, the Housing Corporation, English Partnerships and Kensington Regeneration.
When finished, the development will comprise 45 new homes for rent, 24 for shared ownership and 106 for outright sale.
The first phase of 87 properties, which is due to start being handed over in summer 2008, will involve the development of the disused open space off Gilead Street which lies within the Kensington New Deal for Communities area, the Liverpool Housing Market Renewal Initiative (HMRI) area and the Wavertree Zone of Opportunity.
Local residents have had their say on the development through the formation of Gilead Steering Group, which meets monthly.
Member Jan Kelly said: “We have been involved from the very start and have been consulted every step of the way from as far back as four years ago when the development was just in the pipeline to choosing Lovell as the preferred developer.
“After years in the planning, it’s great to see that work has started on site. This is exactly what we need in the area.”
Kensington Regeneration Board member and local resident Enid Bristow added: “This will be a superb development which will have a huge impact on the area, not least because it will be a very attractive landmark on a main road into Liverpool.
"Local residents are really looking forward to seeing new, high quality homes being built in this area.”
Tom McGuire, Director of Community Seven, said: “Historically, Kensington has suffered from poor condition properties and high turnover but this is all changing.
"We are not only improving the quality of lives of existing residents but are also encouraging others to choose Kensington as a place to live.”
John Carleton, Field Director for the Housing Corporation in the North, said: “In partnership with the Housing Corporation, Riverside Housing has done an excellent job with this development.
"Affordable housing is crucial to Liverpool's economic growth and Gilead Street will provide a mixture of family homes and shared ownership schemes, in a place where people want to live now and the future.”
Councillor Marilyn Fielding, Liverpool’s executive member for housing and neighbourhood services, said: “Liverpool is building for a better tomorrow.
"By working with our partners and communities, we are creating communities that are safe, secure and which offer a range of housing that can meet the needs and aspirations of all our citizens.”
Lovell regional director Nigel Yates added: “We’re excited to be working on this modern, eco-friendly housing development which will answer the demand for high quality new affordable and open market homes in Kensington and play an important part in the ongoing regeneration of the area.”
English Partnerships’ investment will ensure high quality design and environmental standards are achieved.
The new homes will have low running costs through energy-saving features such as condensing boilers and increased levels of insulation.
These high levels of energy efficiency will be made possible by an advanced off-site manufacture system where much of the construction work will be carried out off-site in factory conditions.
Source: 24dash.com
Why do modern houses with all this weird and wonderful technology have to be so ugly???
Give me a terrace any day!
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Russ
It is sad they are not keeping the beautiful old charm of your city.. I too agree with you Wallesey.. Independant homes can still be made tastefully to co-exist with the Old World charm .. I don't understand it either.
£24m house estate gets under way
Jan 21 2008
by Nick Coligan, Liverpool Echo
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A LONG-awaited scheme to build dozens of new homes in one of Liverpool’s most deprived areas has finally started.
The £24m scheme will see a 175-house estate built off Gilead Street, Kensington.
The first phase of almost 90 properties, which should be finished by the summer, is being constructed on a disused former playground and football pitch.
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Hi folks, Sorry for being late, only just stumbled in , & have been enjoying the chat . I remember Every St , Dee St , Butler St , etc . From a hair-raising experience in my youth when I made a disparaging remark about a 'young lady' there & next I was surrounded by a lynch mob & by a stroke of luck managed to catch a passing tram ,making my escape! I see Butler St,is still there & a small bit of Every St . There was a a run-down picture-house called the Palladium on that side of West Derby Rd , just there too, they didn't have tickets , only metal talleys , & I think they accepted empty jam-jars for entrance fee(as did the Cabbage Hall Cinema), Happy days! Ron
Anybody know when they're gonna start building the new fire station etc on Beech Street? It's been ages since the scheme was announced. On the planning explorer it says it hasn't even been approved yet [07F/0136] but that can't be right,can it?
Dave.
The delays with the sadly mis named "Neighbourhood Centre" has been delayed for several reasons, One of the big problems has been most local people have confused the term Neigbourhoood with Community the fomer actually just means "its round here!), the Mike Lane Neighbourhood Centre is basically a housing and shopping development-maybe a community room in a fire station. Imagine the scenario...the community meeting starts.Alarm bell goes off..NEE NAH NEE NAH NEE NAH .meetign stops meetign restarts
....get the picture.
As Richie "Dick" Keenan said only this week "This was never never never going to be a community centre" and he should know he is deputy chair of kenny regen anda director of Parks Options.
the site is infested with Japanese Knotweed ( a natural laxative apparently) and the site needs costly decontaminating. The sod breaking ceremony is taking place shortly, and there will be no shortage of "sods" to choose from.
It was originally going to make money through office spaces but nobody was interested (the rental rates were full commercial ie liverpool City Centre????)
There was going to be 91 flats....except now nobody wants flats now...they're havng a rethink on that one
The rest of the centre is going to have shops...this is an area with probably the worst range of shops in Liverpool...(I live there so I know).pretty good if you want a kebab, a tan, or a bottle of cheap cider, but not much else. There wa a rumour that Iceland were opening a shop but with the banking crisis in that country I diont think that is likely.
The whole scheme is costing ?19 million so they say, and at the last count, generous Kenny Regen are putting in at least ?2million.
My prediction is once the knotweed has been got rid of, the fire station will go up (watch out for the traffic chaos at the junctin of sheil/Beech Perscot road eveytime there is a "Shout"),
the grade 2 listed building on the site will be converted into four two bedroom flats (planning permission for this was applied for well over a year ago),
if the other flats are built Tom McGuire at C7 will snap them up at a bargian price (hopefully cheaper than the ones they area still trying to sell in Laurel road)
and a few empty shop units laying ide because the rents they are asking are too onorous.
The local communtiy's cut from all this, well apparently the Company which will take over from Kenny regen in 2010 wil get the ground rent, oh yeah the consultant company iniolved is from Manchester (How annoying is that!).
Watch this space for the chickens coming home to roost on this one.
Why on earth would you spend so much time , money, planning and resourses to design houses with windows so small you can't see the world outside properly, are people in england so used to living in the dark they love it so much. the whole development looks like it consists of bog windows. what a great opportunity to light up lives wasted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howie
I'm a time served builder brought up in liverpool but moved away seeing what the rest of the world does to makle their days brighter.
I agree, It's partly why I go outside of Liverpool alot to photograph, alot of colourful houses are slowly dissapearing because companies and architects have no soul or talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by shoney
These kind of houses are already In Speke, Toxteth and under the bridge In Garston.
Dont tell im about Ellergreen on Lewisham Rd!
Bright red shoeboxes with small peephole windows...reminds me of square pillboxes!
The Kensington development will be an interesting one...I wonder how long the honeymoon period will last before we find these new properties are just more bricks and mortar...rather than a real solution.
I am still of the impression that the Victorian's and Edwardian's had the right idea with the terrace. The streets were well laid out...and most of the time, the buildings had something of architectural merit.
I think Kenny is a district of liverpool that is coming too terms with demographic change's. I also think that Mc Govern and his ilk are highly manipulative. Hard case culture can be found in Newcastle Glasgow Manchester London, would'nt it be nice to have something different?
Kensington: A hotspot for crimes
Feb 9 2009
by Ben Rossington, Liverpool Echo
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KENSINGTON was today named as Liverpool?s guns and murder capital.
The terraced streets lying on the edge of the city centre are one of five hotspots for the most serious types of violent crime across Merseyside.
Other areas have suffered from one-off, high-profile crimes, but Kensington heads a new police report?s league of shame for the sheer amount of the biggest crimes.
The area is named-and-shamed as having more murders and attempted murders and a bigger gun problem than the other four ? Liverpool city centre, Anfield, Toxteth and Birkenhead.
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This thread reminds me of a song we sang many eons ago :-
Little Boxes
Little boxes on the hill side, little boxes made of ticky tacky.
Little boxes, little boxes, little boxes all the same.
There's a green one and a pink one and a blue one and a yellow
one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky, and they all look just
the same.
And the people in the houses all went to the university
Where they were put in boxes, little boxes, all the same.
And there's doctors and there's lawyers, and there's business
executives
And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just
the same.
And they all play on the golf course and drink their martini dry
And they all have pretty children and the children go to school
And the children go to summer camp and then to the university
Where they all get put in boxes and they all come out the same.
And the boys to into business and marry and raise a family
In boxes, little boxes, little boxes all the same.
There's a green one and a pink one and a blue one and a yellow
one
And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just
the same.
Who remembers it:- ????
Words and music by Malvina Reynolds
Phredd
Kensington?????
Can anyone enlighten me to any links regarding gun crime and murders in Kenny as I thought it all seemed to be other areas?
My comment would be first define where Kensington is. To me it has become a very amorphous undefined area. Once defined, we could then see how these stattistics stand up to scruntinyQuote:
Originally Posted by Howie
What a load of crap article.
The echo should be named as Liverpool's capital BS area. Then fart In their drinking water.
They have the Kenny Riot Squad gang who have been arrested for possession of weapons before but there hasn't been any reported shootings around there.
Didn't Pete Seager record that one?Quote:
Originally Posted by phredd
I remember Pete Seeger singing it back in the day. :PDT_Aliboronz_24:Quote:
Originally Posted by phredd
Chris
Flipping heck! Chris, you near knocked me over then, replying to Phredd!
"Yeh! Came out in the early sixties I think!"
Burl Ives sang that one,I think. :nod:
it was written and recorded in 1962 by Malvina Reynolds; but just about everybody has had a go at including the spinners
I was borne in Mill Road Hospital in 1947 and lived in Coleridge St almost opposite Farnswoths Dairy there where real cows lived in the street in them days the milk was delivered by horse and cart not in bottles you had to go out with a jug and buy a pint or a quart and they just poured it into your jug. We had a rag yard in our street, but when I was a kid the best thing was the sally army that was in our street to. They would form up in our street and march down Kenny to Shiel Rd where they would play, when they marched back to Coleridge St they would form a circle in the street and entertain the residents by playing hymns. I still love brass bands today. The long hot summers playing in Kenny Park and newsham park. They had fish in the ponds in newsham park in them days now they have plants. Oh for the Saturday Matinee at the Kenny it Was 3p then and you could see things like Flash Gordon, The Cisco kid, Gene Autry, Roy Rogers, Marvel Man, Hoppy and many more. All our extended family lived within a couple of Streets of each other and although just a short walk Newsham park was a good day out with pick nick and a go on the boats if you hand a tanner. The man in the end house by the Molly rented bikes out and you could have a bike for the day for a tanner and ride out to bluebell woods it was in the country side at a place called Kirkby. My playground was town as a child there was a market where you could by anything you want from monkeys and parrots to fresh food
Salt fish was cured and hung up in the sun as stiff as boards and hard as rock but we had it every Sunday. Special days out where at New Brighton
You could buy a pot of tea with cups and saucers and take them on to the beach and Granddad would take me crabbing it was like going abroad in them days. They where magic times and so special The debris we had two one at the back and one in the front where we had our bommy, The whole Street turned out for bommy night it was great. The shops in Kenny where second to none it was a great shopping area. Anyway I could go on and on My thoughts on the whole, the regeneration of Kenny has been the Degeneration of Kenny,
Go on and on Danny, Im enjoying reading it :PDT11
Yes, great stuff. :PDT11
Did you ever go to the Sally Army christmas party Danny?
Yes i went for the Christmas party several times i can still remember the smell of the sally army. One day one of the kids in our street jumped off the top of the sally army, he thought he was bat man or marvel man. I can't remeber the outcome or the kids name. My brother had TB and we eventually moved to Kirkby although NAN and GRANDDAD stayed in that house in Coleride St for years and i would spend every weekend with them, When i was 13 i got a part time job selling ice cream for a firm called Pendletons, you must remember the add WHAT COULD BE NICER THAN A PENDLTONS TWICER
I Had one of those 3 wheel bikes with the big cooler box on the front and i used to ride down to kenny and sell out every time. When i would sell out there was an even bigger que to by the lecky ice. Does anyone remember Capaldies ice cream parlour if i remember right it was oppersit holt road. As you came out of Holt Road and turned left to go towards town on that first block of shops there was a record shop and you could record your own record in a booth. The beatles recorded a record in that shop I used to stand at the bus stop outside that shop for the number 10 tram and later the bus. The steam lorries would come down Kenny on the way to the docks from Warrington and Prescot it was the main route into town. I played a lot in William brown Street
in them days all the kids played in the fountain in the summer and no-one chased them it was great. The museum and the art gallery where like second homes, when i felt like a change i would spend hours at the Anglican Cathedral i love that place and still go there from time to time. My Nan would get the tin bath out on holly days and hollidays and boil water on the stove god only knows how many people bathed in the same water. When they where a bit flush with cash they gave me the money to go to the washhouse in Minto Street that was like a rare treat and a day out. There where no handles on the taps, a lady would fill the bath for you she carried the tap handle on a peice of string and you where only allowed one fill of the bath. As i got older i did find a way of getting two fills but thats another story.