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Hi Brend and welcome to the list. The Garston Historical Society has quite a few publications about Garston. Send me a private message and we can discuss them.
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Hi Brend and welcome to the list. The Garston Historical Society has quite a few publications about Garston. Send me a private message and we can discuss them.
When does it meet next Taffy? I'd love to pop along and say hello.Quote:
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Meetings are held on the first Friday in the month at 7.30pm at Garston Park Church ( old Methodist Church) Island Rd. Entrance via small door at the side of church. Meetings cost £2 per person.For Publications, see list belowQuote:
Originally Posted by Kev
I'll try and attend, there's no reason why not, so I'll look forward to it :002:<<<<<<me writing in the dairy.
I wont be able to get to that one in march maybe if they are held a few times ill get to one
Hi all
Fletcher Rogers has become a figure of interest in the investigation into the Maybrick case and whether James Maybrick actually could have been Jack the Ripper (with or without the supposedly hoax Maybrick Diary). Rogers was the foreman of the coroner's jury that looked into the death of James Maybrick and he later moved into the Maybrick mansion, Battlecrease House, on Riversdale Road. It so happens that Mr. Rogers was buried at St. Michael's Church, Garston.
Chris Jones of the Liverpool Cricket Club is developing a website on the Maybricks and has just posted the following on JtR Forums:
Further to my post yesterday, I decided to cycle down to Garston Parish Church this morning to try and find Fletcher Rogers' grave. I timed my arrival to coincide with the end of the morning service so that I could get inside the church (it is normally closed and locked) and maybe speak to one or two of the older residents.
I had been passed the church many times, but had never actually been inside. I was really surprised by what I saw - the church interior was very beautiful. Unfortunately, the old records of the church had all been destroyed. The burial vaults were all outside the church (on the east side). I managed to find Fletcher Rogers' grave. He was buried in a grave with his second wife. She died on 2nd October 1877, aged 35. In her relative short life she had given birth to 12 children. At the time of her death, the family lived in Wood End, Grassendale. I took some pictures and will place them on this site in the future.
The Church of St Michael's, Garston, is one of those hidden gems. It is located in a very deprived area of Liverpool and the graveyard is overgrown. Nevertheless, it is well worth a visit.
Best wishes, Chris Jones
Cheers Chris, we used to play cricket amonst those graves.
The current church dates from the mid 1870s or so. There were at least two other churches on the same site. Looking at the church's location and the original churchyard layout, I strongly suspect the church has early Celtic origins dating probably from about the 6th C.
Whilst relaying the floor around 1985 we pulled up the floors [just befor the choir area, bootom of the steps] and I [being cheeky] carved my name on the beams that run beaneth the floor!!!
I've got excellent memories of that place, lots involving huge rats plus two men that stuck in my mind, Mr Sole and the choir master.
Here you go Kev, photo taken on the day ( Jan 15th, 1984) you walked the length of the bypass prior to its official opening. Photo courtesy of the Garston Historical Society
thats great taffy, cheers :PDT11
I've recently been told that many older people regard the "true" Garston as that area under the bridge. The St Mary's Rd area etc was posher and was regarded as being in Cressington. Anyone come across this?
I've always, [upto my teens] had the same view, although I never viewed Under The Bridge as proper Garston. Kids on St, Mary's Rd were different to us kids that went to C of E/ Banks Rd, a bit posher I think :PDT11
Someone told me that his parents from under the bridge in Garston were extremely annoyed when the new baths were built in Speke Rd (around 1907 or so). This was because they were called "GARSTON" Baths and clearly they were not in Garston !! Interesting how they came to this view and how its changed these days.Quote:
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Hi Taffy,
Thanks for the e-mail.
I received two copies of UTBBG this morning in the post.
Nice job. I forgot about the picture of me on the back page. What a laugh :handclap:
Glad you liked the finished booklet. Its production has been delayed by the work to complete the Garston Revisted book. For those who would like a copy of either Eddie's memories " Under the Bridge By Gaslight" or the "Garston Revisited" book, just send me a private email.Quote:
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Please be aware that any coppers made over the production costs go towards the upkeep and continuance of the worthy efforts of the Garston and District Historical Society.Quote:
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Ed
the group that played in the `kings ` pub were called "the kingstrums"...the cook bros and brian crothers...crowie...as he was affectionately known....in the beatles official book,they played `wilson hall` with the kingstrums,but said they would never play there again as it was a "rough" area..
i lived in 61/63 st marys rd...on the corner of jackson st...was the grapes inn/then the co-op /then the A1pram shop/then Richards beds/then Garston Trophies......i came from Bennett st,up the village......my dad,Clarence Grove..my mum Otway St,both under the bridge....considering Garston wasn`t part of liverpool in 1907,i find it insulting for `under the bridge`people to say `Garston baths`was not in garston....most of the under the bridge people were brought in from Wales to work the Copper Works...the welsh,knowing how to work copper.....so half of them weren`t even Garstonians....then when they decided to buck the system and strike ,the copper works sacked them /turfed them out of their houses,and then brough many,many copper workers from Ludlow...hence the well known garston people who were "LUDLOW SCABS".. a lot of people came from the wirral,especially steel ship builders/blacksmiths./for their experience in steelwork for the steel bridge builders,who supplied railway bridges all over the world...so who exactly were the `garstonians`who complained about the baths....probably mostly woolybacks...lol..:unibrow::unibrow:..allan..garst onite
The £6m village of culture
Mar 20 2008 by Nick Coligan, Liverpool Echo
A FIVE-year plan to revitalise a Liverpool community has been revealed.
Council managers want to spend about £6m transforming the heart of Garston, bulldozing derelict shops and creating a new centre for cultural businesses.
They intend to sell off former railway sidings to generate cash for the long-awaited project to improve struggling St Mary’s Road.
That work would be done alongside ongoing multi-million pound schemes to build 700 homes in Garston’s Under The Bridge estate.
A report, due to be discussed by councillors next week, reveals how the council has thrown its weight behind the Garston Cultural Village idea, featured in the ECHO last year.
Championed by artist Alex Corina, it would see a derelict school building in Wellington Street refurbished into a hub for creative businesses.
The council now plans to put £800,000 into the scheme, along with £160,000 from Liverpool Biennial, to get it off the ground. The cultural village would then be self-financing.
Mr Corina, who recently showed Culture Company deputy chairman Phil Redmond around the site, said: “We have been negotiating for two years and, although I will believe it when I see it, we have reached an advanced stage.”
Officials have also drawn up plans for St Mary’s Road, which has struggled since the Garston Way bypass took away trade.
They describe it as “the biggest single problem” Garston faces, and plan to buy up properties so they can be renovated or demolished to make room for new developments.
The third part of the overall regeneration scheme involves supporting developers in the Under The Bridge estate, where 575 private homes and 120 housing association properties will be built over the next few years.
Cllr Marilyn Fielding, executive member for housing, said: “We have already transformed parts of the area by replacing worn-out housing, and upgrading others.”
Officials plan to sell off Dingle Bank (Where's this?), a former railway embankment, and land in the Under The Bridge estate to developers for housing, raising £5m.
nick.coligan@liverpool.com
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Kev, Dingle Bank is the name given to the old embanked railway sidings leading to the old coal tipping machines at Garston Dock. The sidings ran alongside Dale St. This street was so named as it ran along the route of the old Dingle, a wooded valley and stream, that ran past St Michael's Church and into the River Mersey. This stream was once dammed to form the mill pond for the recently excavated Garston Old watermill. This mill site was reputedly the oldest in Lancashire.
Some demolition has already started on the site of 65 St Mary's Rd. Originally the old Theatre Royal playhouse was once sited here. St Mary's Rd has so much character, let's hope any new buildings are in keeping and not the derivative type we've seen built for example by South Liverpool Housing on the Church Rd /St Mary's Rd junction
cheers for that, i know now :PDT_Piratz_26:
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Hi All
What a great site, I've just spent the last 4 hours taking a trip down memory lane, the photos are fab!!
The band was the Pandamonium Band and my dad (Jimmy Skidmore) was a member back in the 70s & early 80s. What a time they all had - all in the name of charity of course!!
I too remember the dolphins in Garston Baths - I thought I'd dreamt it as everyone I mentioned it to thought I was mad! I think it must have been later than 1970 though.
My Gt Auntie Sophie, used to own the chippy in James Street and her sister Doris used to own the dairy in the same steet - back in the 50s & 60s. Their father was William Jackson.
I remember the Parades that used to end up on the Park where there would be a fairgound. The 1977 Silver Jubilee is the one that stands out in my mind - probably because of the big street party we had after it.
I used to love walking through the tree lined park with my Grandma, in the days before dutch elm disease.
Regards
Helen
Nice to see the final houses emptied (opposite the church). Sad that as soon as they do, they become a target for arsonists!
Demolish asap!
Thanks Taffy! for the photo's, as an old 'Garstonian' it's hard for me to recognise that area now! My Mum's family lived in Dingle Vale (Garston) before moving to Byron St, bit before my time!! Hope we will see more pics re the redevelopment of Garston. Regards to All. & Cheers!:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
A number of the derelict buildings seem to be being renovated and a new build structure is going up at 65 St Mary's Rd. Looks like its flats. Interestingly there's also a planning application for a wine bar. A first for St Mary's Rd. There's life coming back to the old street.
I'm researching the history of 65-67 St Mary's Road at the moment.
Should take a few more days.
I've even got photos, but it's one of those cases (like the skating rink/cinema/dance hall in Heald Street) where the history is more interesting than the building itself.
If nothing else, it must rank as the most untheatre-like theatre in Liverpool.
This was taken from Garston and District Historical Society, Past and Present Feb.2002 Issue No 9. PhilipG, I hope it is of some use to you
The Theatre Royal was situated at 65 St Mary's Road, at the premises that was Co-operative Society's Furnishing Dept.
The following extract is taken from H.J. Broadbents 'Annals of the Liverpool Stage':
"Less than a couple of decades ago the Garstonians were unable to boast a permanent theatre, and had to be content with such dramatic fare as itinerant showmen occasionally brought. In 1891 there was the Britannia Theatre under the proprietorship of Mr J. W. Snape, who is, I believe, still touring. The Britannia was not a permanent structure, but it was Mr Snape's intention at that time to build a regular theatre. But this he never carried out.
The Royal Palace of Varieties was Afterwards erectd in St Mary's Road, and the opening took place in 1892. Mr John Hargreaves was the manager. After being run as a variety theatre it was converted into a playhouse. Closed since February 1895, the theatre was re-opened on 3rdAugust 1896, by Mr David Barnard with Parson Thorn as the attraction. Mr Bernard brought good companies, and successfully directed the theatre for a number of years. After he left the Royal it was convertd into a billiard hall"
During the week commencing 2nd April 1894, the lucky people of Garston who could afford to pay 1/6d for a Box, 9d in the Circle, 6d in the Balcony or 4d in the Pit, were able to enjoy Mr W S Hardy and his Shakespearian Company, perform 'Catherine Howard' on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, 'Richard III on Thursday, 'Romeo and Juliet' on Friday 'Macbeth' on Saturday. What a treat!
Thanks, Jimmy.
That's useful.
These things go up quickly.
Its amazing how fast that has gone up! Its a big plot of land.
Many thanks Kev and friends. I was born in Garson and lived on Windfield Road (67) until I joined the RAF pretty well and now live in Lincoln. The discussions and pictures have been a great joy because there now seems to be hope where until recently Garston just felt like a community in unstoppable decline. I was reminded to log back in by coming across an old(ish) book in my collection that had the orginal Liverpool Libraries plate in it which I've scanned and thought you would find interesting. I also took some pictures around Garston the other month which I also attach.
Warmest Regards,
Chris.
Chris Burke.
My great nan lived there too for a bit, during the 70's/80's. I think her name would have been Burgess.Quote:
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Cheers and I'm glad you love the thread! :PDT11
Thanks Kev, a family of Burgess'es lived directly behind us. The son was about my age and I used to visit him via a hole in our fence. We would play on the green area opposite his house which would have been Monkfield Way. Windfield Road and Monkfield way look much as they did 50 years ago. My Grandfather (Patrick Murray) had an allottment at the then bottom of Windfield Road, now He was the first tenant at number 67 before the last war and worked on Garston docks which he walked to each day via Lukania Street. He helped build the first Liverpool "by Pass" before that now known as Queens Drive.
Hi All
I'm researching my family history and would be grateful for any memories of family members who came from 'under the bridge'.
My grandfather's name was Potts and my grandmother's maiden name was Johnson.
They lived in Clarence Grove when my dad was born and at the time they married my grandfather had been living in Chesterton Street, my grandmother in Vulcan Street - earlier sources show the Johnson family also had a strong connection with Shand Street.
Debbie :)
A curious name for an art gallery in St Mary's Rd. It's simply that in an earlier guise, the original gallery was actually in the old slaughterhouse on St Mary's Rd.
The Artistic Republic of Garston seems to be getting a re-launch on Saturday May 31st at 2.30pm at the renamed Garston Embassy ( the old tech school on Wellington St)
excellent taffy, cheers
"Thanks for the info and Pics Taffy, but forgive me if I offend anyone But! I think now is the time to remove some of those old shops & widen St Mary's Road! after all! they have talked about the need to do this for as long as I can remember!! Cheers to all! & keep the news coming! :PDT11
Taffy I can remember a Garston Artist's shop- Gallery situated between Mcbride Street and Clifton street on St Mary's Road ,1967 or there abouts. It used to be a cobblers shop owned by a Mr. Cheetham who lived over the shop. I bought a oil painting from there, it was a copy of a famous painting called Iron Coffins depicting the sinking of a German U-Boat. The painting I have was painted by L J Banks I presume the artist was from Garston. Do you know of the artist?
Factories and businesses are closing here in Canada, and all you can find these days when you buy an item are the words "Made in China".
It is fine for the large companies who increase their profits considerably by having their goods made on the cheap, but it leaves the people of our own countries without jobs, and the young people will not develop the necessary skills for the future.
We will become nations of service only (McDonalds for instance) workers, while China's economy grows and grows.
Another Garston company died a few years back, Bryant & Mays. Where are the matches made now I wonder.
Talking about The Matchworks, I've heard a rumour they are to be turned into flats, anyone know?