No Brian,
I think you are thinking of the De Grasse named Empress of Australi, that was brought in to replace the Empress of Canada after she was burnt.
The FUNCHAL was the ex Presidential yacht of Portugal.
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No Brian,
I think you are thinking of the De Grasse named Empress of Australi, that was brought in to replace the Empress of Canada after she was burnt.
The FUNCHAL was the ex Presidential yacht of Portugal.
I received this postcard this morning, it shows the,then,current royal yacht,carrying Queen Victoria through the lines of warships for the Spithead Naval Regatta. There was no information as to what her name was ,or the year it was taking place in. I searched through my picture library and could not find a vessel that matched her specification,i.e. a 2 masted steam paddle vessel.There were quite a few yachts listed as being royal but not one that had all the attributes shown here. Anyone out there got any ideas?
BrianD
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Some info here....Quote:
Originally Posted by brian daley
In 1842 the young Queen Victoria and Prince Albert held a "Grand Naval Review." They inspected the Queen. There was little change in the ships, but officers and men looked very different. The old uniform had gone and officers wore their cocked hats "fore-and-aft," instead of"athwartships." Epaulettes had come in and, instead of breeches and buckled shoes, officers wore gold-laced trousers and black pumps. Seamen wore baggy trousers, short jackets, white-taped blue collars, and black silk scarves, set off by a beribboned straw hat. The Queen on this occasion endeared herself to her sailors, drinking a mess basin of grog, and liking it!
http://battleshiphmsvanguard.homestead.com/tp.gifBut times were changing. When the Queen, in 1845, inspected the experimental squadron, she used the new Victoria and Albert, first of the two paddlers, and the Board of Admiralty attended in their steam yacht, the Black Eagle. This was the last time that a Royal Review consisted only of sailing ships, and nearly the last time that the Queen could watch the Trafalgar's men run aloft and set the sails "with feline agility and astonishing celerity."
from this site -
http://battleshiphmsvanguard.homeste...stReviews.html
Could it have been the first HMY Victoria and Albert? There seem to have been three with that name, but I can't find a picture of the first one...
Good on the Queen drinking some grog in a mess basin and not royal china.....:Smiliz_Kingz_PDT_13
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The schooner rigged wooden paddle-steamships PRINCE FREDERICK and GAZELLE,of 1823 and1832 respectively,were owned by the Hull Steam Packet Company,the first operators from that port, and ran between Hull and London during the months of summer. PRINCE FREDERICK was wrecked on Corton Sands, near Yarmouth in 1835,but the GAZELLE is recorded as having been still in service to Antwerp and Bremen as late as 1850.
This painting is attributed to John Wilson Carmichael, the foremost Tyneside marine artist of the 19th century.
This is a painting of Captain James Cook's ship HM Barque Endeavour and it shows her heading up the English Channel after his extraordinary cicumnavigation of the world. The voyage lasted 2 years and 11 months during which he chartered thousands of miles of unknown coast lines.
The study is oil on canvas and was painted by Robin Brooks
BrianD
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This is the Santisima Trinidad,a Spanish First Rate ship of the line. She was the largest ship in the world,mountig four decks of artillery and fought in many battles including ,Cape Spartel, Cape St Vincent and the Battle of Trafalgar. She fought with distinction in her final battle and struck her colours to HMS Prince but she was so badly damaged that her captors removed every living thing from her,including a cat. The largest ship in the world then sank beneath the waves .
This painting was by Geoff Hunt and is oil on canvas,
BrianD
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HM Bark Endeavour, with the sun behind her sails.Quote:
Originally Posted by brian daley
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We have the Victory at Portsmouth. What we need now is a reproduction of a 74 that could be taken out to sea. Something like HMS Bellerophon...or 'Billy Ruffian' to the Tars that sailed her.
Hi Dazza,
That was a great photograph,have you got anymore?
BrianD
I have come to this question a little late, I know. There is this...Quote:
Originally Posted by brian daley
http://www.richard-green.com/Philip-...objectid=38776
Perhaps it is the idea of the yacht being the paddle steamer that is wrong? :)
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...this just makes the whole mystery deeper...
http://www.scottishfishingboats.co.u...rs/alberta.htm
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...you will all enjoy this article too...
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...DD405B8685F0D3
Don't think so - the HMY Fairy is listed as being a tender to the HMY Victoria and Albert (the original one)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oudeis
Victoria and Albert (1843-1855) - remained in-service as Osbourne (1855-1867)
Fairy (1845-1863) (tender to Victoria and Albert)
From wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...United_Kingdom
The 1842 review (or a year later) still makes sense with no steamships in the fllet...
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Don't think so again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Oudeis
This picture looks just like the model, and the HMY Victoria and Albert II was in service around the time of the model.
I think the model just got misnamed...:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HM...k_Mitchell.jpg
CORRECTION
The Alberta did look the same as the V & A II, and was listed later...
Alberta (1863-1913) (tender to Victoria and Albert (ii))
So the model name is probably correct.
Was the reliability so bad that the Royal Yacht required a tender that was as large as the main yacht as a back-up?
MY MISTAKE again, the size was way smaller than the V & A II, 370 tons vs. 2400 odd tons.
Interesting that they look the same though - perhaps they had one design and just scaled it...:)
This is the flagship of the Continental Navy,the precursor to the United States Navy,she is the Bonhomme Richard and was part of a Franco American squadron commanded by the Scotsman John Paul Jones.She was an ex East Indiaman which Jones had converted to a warship carrying 40 guns. They gave the British Navy a hard time and brought the war of Independence to our shores, attacking towns on the West and East coast. In an epic moonlit battle off Flamborough Head,Jones took on the HMS Serapis,44 guns, commanded by Captain Pearson,who also had a smaller warship with him. Calling upon Jones to surrender,Jones allegedly shouted back "I have not yet begun to fight!"and then promptly boarded ,and captured the British ship. The Bonhomme Richard was so badly damaged that she sank the following day. Today ,John Paul Jones is revered as the father of the US Navy,
The painting is oil on canvas and is the work of Geoff Hunt
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And the Bonhomme Richard (Bonnie Dick to some of the sailors) name has been re-used a few times since.Quote:
Originally Posted by brian daley
The current one is a Amphibious Assault Ship
http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/lh...s/default.aspx
The previous one was a WWII carrier that served until the Vietnam war.
http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/lh...s/history.aspx
This press release about the search for the original is also interesting....
http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/lh..._JPJ-Ship.aspx
http://www.public.navy.mil/surfor/lh...hrfrigate1.jpg
...still learning stuff...
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When ships looked like ships and they had their own derricks and hoists to move cargo in stead of dockside cranes
Brings back the memories of old in Liverpool in late fifties and early sixties, a Federal Line ship running UK to New Zealand and Australia taking British made exports out and bringing back thousands of tons of frozen lamb and beef and the bow of one of the new Empress liners, Britain or England maybe running over to Montreal Canada with passengers and British made exports and returning with passengers and a cargo of Canadian wheat..
That was when Britain was Great and we had never heard of a stupid EU.
Thanks for the memory, Gregs Dad. I shall go and weep at what we have lost.
The Schooner HMS Pickle is not a name that is familiar to most of todays lovers of all things maritime ,but during the Napoleonic wars she had her moment of glory. Pickle was a very fast vessel and on the 26th of October in 1805 she was tasked by Admiral Cuthbert Collingwood to take his despatches relating to the Battle of Trafalgar back to England. They contained the immortal line "The ever to be lamented death of Vice Admiral Lord Viscount Nelson,who ,in the late conflict with the enemy,fell in the hour of victory......" It was the Pickle, and her commander Lieutenant John Lapenotiere ,who brought to England the news of this great victory and the loss of Nelson. Although the Pickle has been lost to popular memory she still lives on the Royal Navy when Warrant Officers have their own celebration on Pickle Night,the 5th of November
I have just booked four nights on the old QUEEN MARY in Long Beach, California. A magnificent ship with a great history. I have been on her several times as a hotel ship and a few times in the 50s when she was on the New York run.
The Americans have had her since 1966, near 45 years, The Cunard line had her for 29 years. 1937 to 1966. She is in a magnificent condition and full of nautical history.
Her and her sister, QUEEN ELIZABETH shortened WW2 by 12 months. Each could carry 18,000 troops across the Atlantic in four and a half days.
Here are some views of her. inside and out.
This is what they should have done with the QE2 at the Pier Head, she would have made a fortune for Liverpool.
Captain, check out her condition when you are there.Quote:
Originally Posted by captain kong
A while back, when I lived in LA, I stopped going there since I was disgusted at the state Disney had let if fall into.
Even I could see problems at the tourist deck levels - basically rust was just painted over, not removed first - and that was in the areas you could see. Some older reports had it in danger of sinking, but there is only a foot or two under the keel, so no one would get hurt...:)
I think it has changed ownership (or concession - IIRC the city owns it) since then, I would really like to hear your opinion on the physical state of the hull.
Touring it was interesting, you can tie in a lot of Liverpool pub architecture into the style of the QM.
I have also met a lot of WWII US servicemen that travelled on her - I never realized it took 18,000 at a time, quite amazing.
One of Britains greatest marine artists was surely Charles Dixon,he did most of his finest works upon the upon the Thames and in the Pool of London in particular. This work dates from 1897 and shows the Anchor Line steamship City of Rome slipping her moorings ,making ready to leave the Pool. Those who have worked on the river,and I count myself lucky to be among their number,will recognise the scene,the smoke and murk add to the scene and evoke an age that is long gone,never to return,
BrianD
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Hi AZ,
the Mary is now owned by, Delaware North Companies Parks & Resorts, Inc. they took over from the City of Long Beach, they had it for a few years after Disney. I believe Disney just abandoned it and left her in a mess, they were not interested., but Long Beach realy did it up real nice and this new company has had it all refurbished.
I have been staying on it every two years for the last 10 and I have always found her to be in very good condition with improvements every year. I became a member of the Queen Mary Foundation and a few years ago , 2005 I was presented with a portion of her original teak deck inscribed with the 70th anniversary of her launch. There are only four of these pieces in excistence.
in 2007 I helped the Foundation to have an exibition on all the Masters of the QM while she was with Cunard, I did the Bios of them including Photos. and they were enlarged and shown on the after Exibition Hall.
B Deck Square which used to be the sailors Pig and Whistle and surrounded by cabins, where the foremast come down with the entrance to the mast for the crows nest, has been removed and is now a large exibition of WW2 when she was trooping. very interesting.
I do enjoy going aboard her. I get the feel of the old days when we sailed the ships.
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The new photos did not come out..
Thanks Captain... I guess I was really put off from my visit during the Disney era.
I'm glad it's now in much better condition and a good example of fine shipbuilding. It is pretty impressive when you just walk up to the side.
Now I've left Los Angeles, I'll think about staying there on my next visit...:)
Heck, $95 a night is a bargain in LA.
Most of us know about the mutiny on the Bounty in 1789, it was a very civilised affair when compared with Hermione mutiny in 1797;and Captain Bligh can be called a paragon of virtue when compared to the Hermione's monstrous Captain Pigot. Under his command Hermione became a hell ship and things came to a head in September 1797 in the Caribbean. Pigots brutish behaviour had caused the deaths of three sailors on the 20th ,and on the 21st he had 12 men flogged. That night the crew rebelled and slaughtered all but one of the officers,throwing them overboard and feeding them to the sharks. They then sailed the ship500 miles to La Guaira ,in Venzuela and surrended to the Spaniards. The Spaniards renamed her Santa Cecilia and two years later the HMS Surprise ,commanded by Captain Edward Hamilton recaptured her Puerto Cabello,and action for which he was knighted. 33 mutineers were eventually captured and tried and 24 of those were hanged. More than 100 mutineers were never found.
This painting is another wonderful study of oils on canvas by Geoff Hunt,
BrianD
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Nice painting...:)
These are photos of Canadian Pacifics Duchess of Bedford then after WW2 was renamed Empress of France. A popular ship in Liverpool doing 17 day trips to Montreal and back. In winter when the St Laurence River was frozen she went to St JOHN, New Brunswick.
Built as the Duchess of Bedford in 1920, she was scrapped in 1960
I sailed on her several times. Very handy for doing shopping trips on her to buy good Canadian gear in Montreal.
Empress of France and a photo I took from the Crows Nest when she was doing somersaults in the North Atlantic winter. Duchess of Bedford as built and as a Troop ship in WW2, She was the most bombed ship to survive WW2
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Hi C K good site for ship pics
http://philipparker500.fotopic.net/
This is a fine study of of an unamed frigate heading down the Mersey for the open sea.It was executed in the late 18th ,or early19th century by the, then, famous marine artist Robert Salmon. He was born in Whitehaven in 1775 and spent his early days learning his art in Whitehaven and Greenock, He moved to Liverpool ,where he spent much time painting the river traffic and became famous for his marine art. In 1828 he pulled up stakes and moved to America where spent at least 15 years practising his art on the Hudson and other great seaports on the east coast and is believed to have died about 1851. If you have an original,get it insured,it is now highly collectable,
BrianD
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I take it then that this frigate is of 50 or more tons gross tonnage? :)
[http://www.fotw.net/flags/gb-ensr.html#red]
Hi Oudeis,
the dictionary definition of a frigate,is as shown below.I take it that the reason for your question was the 50 ton minimum weight requirement,well frigates weighed well above that limit.A modern frigate is between four and five thousand tons ,back then it was more like two or three hundred tons .
"During the 18th and early 19th centuries, a frigate was a sailing vessel designed for speed, with a flush gun deck carrying 24 to 44 guns, used as a commerce raider and for blockade duty. When warships were made of wood and had sails, frigates were small, fast, long range, lightly armed (single gun-deck) ships used for scouting and carrying dispatches"
BrianD
Actually I took the trouble to look up the use of the Red Duster (see web-site link above) and noted that it was to be used by ships of that tonnage and above. I'm learning as I go, a little at a time.
HERE IS A PHOTO OF THE Esso Aberdeen 125,000 TONS. I was 2nd Mate on her running to the Brent Spa loading tower 150 miles North of Shetlands. A wild and lonely place. The highest wind speed recorded there was 220 miles an hour.
The Spa was a hollow tube 600 feet tall with a control room and helipad on top.
It was filled with crude oil from the production rigs , five of then, in the Brent Field.
We loaded over the bow
The Spa was scrapped about five years ago
Here is a photo of the SS Bantria, owned by Cunard Line.
She was used on the Mediterranean run from Liverpool.
"Bantria built 1928, cargo, 1954 she was sold to Costa Line, of Genoa renamed
`Giorgina Celli`. 2,402 tons
In the early 50s it was rumoured that some one had killed the Cook and then thrown overboard. then the next trip someone killed the Cook and then thrown overboard , then the next trip someone killed the Cook and was thrown overboard.
No one was caught over this. So who did it.???? Or was it a myth??? does anyone know the Real Story???
Photo by Frank Hughes
She musta bin a poor feeder.:)
But what a fine looking example of that era, architecturally speaking.
In the early 50s I did hear a rumour that the Chippy did it but there has been no confirmation on this.
I have just found this letter to the MNA from our old friend Reg from Norfolk Island, South Pacific.
I wonder if he got his answer, must call him.
Full Name: bangorreg
Home Town?: Norfolk Island
Message Text: Looking for any information about Fred Mather, married and father of children when he signed up as a cook on board the Bantria, which set sail 23.12.1946. from Liverpool for the Mediterranean.Fred was the 3rd cook,his two predecessors disappeared overboard on similar trips,I wonder what the fate of Fred was??.
Reg
Thanks for that Reg, any news?? that confirms that something did happen.
HMS Agamemnon
This was a third rate battleship of the line which was built at Bucklers Hard on the Beaulieu River in 1795. Nelson once referred to her as his favourite ship.
She fought in many battles during the Napoleonic Wars, seeing action in the Battle of the Saintes in 1782 ;Toulon in1792;; Hothams action in 1795,the Nore Mutiny in 1797; Copenhagen in1801; Calders action of 1805;and the Battle of Trafalgar.
Nelson was appointed to command her in 1793 and it was in her that he rose from obscurity to national renown. She was damaged when she ran aground in Maldonado Bay ,Uruguay in 1809 and was thought too worn out to be worth saving.
This is another fine study in oils on canvas by Geoff Hunt,
BrianD
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Constitution
This is Americas most famous ship, built in the closing years of the 18th century, she was commissioned in 1798 as one three super frigates.
Carrying 44 guns ,she was larger than European frigates of the same rate.
She was a decade old before she saw action against the British in the war of 1812. She earned the nickname “Old Ironsides” when British gunners noted that their cannonballs seemed to bounce off her hull. She captured 4 British ships in total;the Guirriere and Java in 1812 ,and the Cyane and Levant in 1815.. she became a training ship for the US Naval Academy in the American Civil War and became a museum in later years. She is still afloat today and sailed under her own canvas in 1997. Once in every year she is turned around at her moorings; a living legend,
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Another gem from Geoff Hunt
The USS Constitution is in Boston Harbour...Quote:
Originally Posted by brian daley
http://www.history.navy.mil/ussconstitution/
...and the Geoff hunt painting are wonderful... please post more...:PDT_Aliboronz_24:
Hi Az, this one is for you, we are still in the Napoleonic era and we are looking at a Portugese First Rate ship of the line,the Principe Real,arriving in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. It is March the 7th 1808 and the Portugese royal family ,the Braganzas,are fleeing from Napoleon. The British Royal Navy provided three battleships as escorts for this journey and we can see HMS Marlborough firing a salute as the Portugese monarch is carried by his pinnace to the welcoming shore.
This is another great work by Geoff Hunt,
BrianD
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this is the Union Castle Line ship. DUNBAR CASTLE, UK to South Africa run.
She was mined in the Thames estuary and sunk in WW2
On January 9th 1940 outward bound from London to Beira in Mozambique with 150 or so crew and passengers on board, she hit a mine 7 miles off Ramsgate, killing nine crew and one passenger.
I am trying to find more news on this, but in the meantime this may interest you all. Skip to the bottom for mention of Liverpool. This may kick-start interest in the rest...Quote:
Originally Posted by captain kong
http://www.derbysulzers.com/shipfelix.html
Oudeis, What a story, unbelievable voyage, what a brave lot of men and a brave ship.
I saw the ship in the early 50s and never realised what she was about. thanks for the story.
Captain William Carruthers, Taught me Navigation, ship Stability, construction and many other subjects at Fleetwood Nautical College from 1975 for Mates through to 1980 for Masters. An excellent tutor, again I never knew about his career until now, he never spoke about the war, I believe he died not too long ago. I think he lived in the Glasson Dock area near to Lancaster. A gentleman and a Seaman in the true sense. He died just over a year ago, aged around 95.