Toxteth District

Ged,
Sids cafe was almost opposite my shop. Granby had weird numbering on my side, I was the 6th shop from Parly and my address was 6A. The numbering on the other side was conventional. There were 2 houses, then a vacant site with advertising hoardings then I think 2 more houses, maybe 3. The first was occupied by the Pope family and the second by an arabic family whose name I cant recall. Next was a greengrocer owned by a Mr. Charlie Parr, later bought By Secunda Ali. next was Sids Cafe. Unfortunately I only have a pic of my side of the street.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...anbyst1961.jpg

This pic was taken in 1961

When we started Neighbourhood Housing Services we took over a cobblers shop - about halfway along on the right hand side - opposite "Auntie Jean's" chippie.

Here's some pics:

Thank you for the photos, Marie. :handclap:

Dingle Road: Foundations getting layed for new row of houses (rear of Mathew Arnold School).

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Dingle Road: Foundations getting layed for new row of houses (rear of Mathew Arnold School).

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I wonder if the post code will change to L17

Today I photographed an L1 Toxteth street-sign...Dexter Street.

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Originally Posted by shytalk

Just found some long lost pics, This one is outside my shop in Granby St. Taken in 1961-2. My shop was the one on the left. Waterways, do you remember when Granby was paved with sets?. That was one of my favourite cars I ever owned.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...anbyst1961.jpg

This one is me in the shop. Who recognises the old sweet brands?.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c8...bystshop62.jpg

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Thamk you for posting these pictures! I will show them to my mum. She said there used to be a Tesco's in Granby.

There sure was AngelCake and you can view the Tesco in Granby here just over halfway down the page if you scroll down.

http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=44843738&cr=7




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Ged, on your site is says:
"Blundell Street also still exists as mainly warehouses off Jamaica Street. It was to here in the 1881 census that my great great grandad can be traced. His great great grandson, moi, around 100 years later hung around Soho Square which can be seen on the next picture."

This week we found that my great, great grandmother lived at 33 Blundell St in 1875.

It's a small world eh WW. I'll check the house number.

Gnomie has helped me out greatly on my family tree and how spooky that when tracing my family later to Milton Street, (the kingsway tunnel entrance is there now on Scotland Road), it transpired that they lived next door to Gnomie's gt grandad and they had children of the same age who no doubt would have played out together being neighbours.



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About 5 years ago my sister wanted the list of graves at Ford Cemetery. She Googled and found one man who had the lot in microfiche - he was an American living in Chicago. His family were from Liverpool. To get the grave number we had to go get it from the USA :) We found his family lived a few doors from my mother in the 1930s in Pitt St.

He found this rare colour picture of his relatives in Pitt St - by chance in a "garage sale".

http://i38.tinypic.com/2prh2xs.jpg

No.49 Blundell st it was WW. Later at Grayson Street a few streets along.

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No.49 Blundell st it was WW. Later at Grayson Street a few streets along.

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8 doors away. :)

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Originally Posted by AngelCake

Thamk you for posting these pictures! I will show them to my mum. She said there used to be a Tesco's in Granby.

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When I moved there in 1959 there was an Irwins grocers, it changed to Tesco a while later, I can't remember exactly which year. It was really too small to be a self service shop but seemed to be quite successful. I left in 1964.

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Originally Posted by shytalk

When I moved there in 1959 there was an Irwins grocers, it changed to Tesco a while later, I can't remember exactly which year. It was really too small to be a self service shop but seemed to be quite successful. I left in 1964.

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Tesco bought out Irwins around 1961/62.

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Originally Posted by Waterways

Tesco bought out Irwins around 1961/62.

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No later than 1961, possibly 1960.
I started work at Irwins in Southport in June 1961 and Tesco had it then, and converted it to a Tesco self-service later in 1961.
I've still got a Holophane glass light shade that I rescued.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2393/...ab5700a4_o.jpg

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Originally Posted by Ged

There sure was AngelCake and you can view the Tesco in Granby here just over halfway down the page if you scroll down.

http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=44843738&cr=7




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Thanks. It saddens me knowing how Granby looks now, don't want to start a rant about how successive Liverpool councils have neglected the fringes of the city centre

Reflecting after a "Full English".

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/...08b484cf_o.jpg

very arty pic :PDT11

I only noticed the other day that Colemans, Park Road has a For Sale sign on it. This is one of the most photographed buildings in Toxteth.

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I only noticed the other day that Colemans, Park Road has a For Sale sign on it. This is one of the most photographed buildings in Toxteth.

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It's not Listed.
I don't know if it's ever been submitted.
I'll try and find out.
I wonder if it'll get part-demolished, as that seems to be the trend.
It's to avoid paying taxes on empty business premises.
The upper windows were pulled out.

Thanks, Lindylou.
I just took a sneaky photo, and was pleased with how it turned out.

Devonshire Road animal. This has been mentioned before. I think it's a Lion/Lioness, probably in some sort of heraldric pose. It has paws rather than hooves and has a swan-like tail with a tuft at the end. It looks similar to others I've seen around Liverpool.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...onshire_Rd.jpg

A couple from The Brook House, Smithdown Road

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...House_sign.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...House_Lion.jpg

we used to live in harowwby st which was off gtranby street and kingsley road. tesco's super store was on the corner of granby and harrowby streets. next door to tesco was a chippie and next door to that was the butchers shop.on the opposite side of was warburtons fish shop. it was a smashing place to do shopping a thriving little community.

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They soon dropped the attitude when they saw what was dished out to the Liverpool police. A friend of mine from Newcastle had a brother who was in charge of the Newcastle police sent over. They were expecting a hostile reception, but were shocked when people were clapping them on the way in. They soon realised the problem was the Liverpool police and would not go on the front line in Parli with them. They did tell other police forces to behave themselves so as not to get the population against them. People knew them because of the slightly different uniforms and would offer them tea, but not to the Liverpool police.

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I'm only on page 4 reading through this thread but felt I needed to reply and confirm the above. My friend's husband is a police officer in the Lake district and he and other colleagues were drafted down to Liverpool during the riots. I always remember him critising Merseyside Police and their bad attitude towards the public. He also mentioned racism, described as rife.

I've spent a couple of hours reading through this thread - great comments.

I love Liverpool 8, past and present. I spent my first 13 years of life around there, leaving in the early 70s to move to another part of the city.

Three years ago I came back to Liverpool 8 to work, and feel like I'm home again. I love the diversity of the community and different cultures. I've never called the area "Toxteth", it's always been Liverpool 8 to me.

There are some parts of Toxteth which are horrible - such as Granby, particularly as I remember it as being a vibrant and lively shoppng area as a child. I feel safe and confident in the area, I feel I'm a member of the community.

The area does continue to have problems - particularly around anti-social behaviour, but hey - which area in Liverpool doesn't get this type of behaviour.

The worst part of Liverpool 8, IMO, is the Lodge Lane area. It's so run down, and has an air of dispair, and I sincerely hope that something is done to renovate and help this section of the L8 community.

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The worst part of Liverpool 8, IMO, is the Lodge Lane area. It's so run down, and has an air of dispair, and I sincerely hope that something is done to renovate and help this section of the L8 community.

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Lodge Lane is like a war zone. The place is a bottom less pit for public money - billions over decades. The private sector will not touch the place. Doing this may change their minds....

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Lodge Lane is like a war zone. The place is a bottom less pit for public money - billions over decades. The private sector will not touch the place. Doing this may change their minds....

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Billions of pounds have been invested in the area? Where? The mid section of Lodge Lane is awful - it does look like a war zone - whilst the bottom part (towards the park) looks really nice. I cannot see where any money has been spent, other than at the top end there's some quite new housing.

I don't really remember that much about Lodge Lane from childhood - just that it had lots of shops - my mother says quite nice shops.

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Billions of pounds have been invested in the area?

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I said billions "spent", not invested over the decades. The money is in the form of social security, failed social schemes, etc. They were just to keep the place alive.

The place needs private investment, then it will pull itself up and self sufficient. It needs "investment" in infrastructure to encourage people into the area.

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I don't really remember that much about Lodge Lane from childhood - just that it had lots of shops - my mother says quite nice shops.

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It was a decent place.

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Devonshire Road animal. This has been mentioned before. I think it's a Lion/Lioness, probably in some sort of heraldric pose. It has paws rather than hooves and has a swan-like tail with a tuft at the end. It looks similar to others I've seen around Liverpool.

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...onshire_Rd.jpg

A couple from The Brook House, Smithdown Road

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...House_sign.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...House_Lion.jpg

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I have been reading this thread also.. I see this post is very old.. but, I am very interested, if anyone can shine some light on this art piece. Lion/Horse/maybe swan.. If it has been found around .. what is the meaning? I love art and if any Art buffs or the historians on here.. Does anyone know?
Great thread by the way.. and congrads to your flicker site PhilipG.. and all.. very nice viewing.. and to the other photographers on it..

I thought the Devonshire Rd animal was a lion rather than a horse because of the paws (rather than hooves) and that style of tail. The Lion get used a lot as an heraldric symbol. It's just a case of finding that particular style. It gets used by various Counties, Countries and the Church (Saint Mark for example).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Rampant

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I thought the Devonshire Rd animal was a lion rather than a horse because of the paws (rather than hooves) and that style of tail. The Lion get used a lot as an heraldric symbol. It's just a case of finding that particular style. It gets used by various Counties, Countries and the Church (Saint Mark for example).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_Rampant

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Thank you for this Marky.. Nice to know..

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A couple from The Brook House, Smithdown Road

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...House_sign.jpg

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/e...House_Lion.jpg

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What do those random numbers signify on the sign? They look odd!

Dave.

I don?t know about the numbers but the Red Hand on the crest might suggest that the O' Neil clan drank in the Brook house

O'Neill Family

Semper Vigilans is a Masonic order

Masonic Lodge history of Semper Vigilans Freemasons Lodge in South Africa

Brook House pub: I thought it might be a telephone number on the sign, but it isn't, according to Yell.com. or 192.com. It could be the date 2/11/2000?. This pub has been getting re-furbished, yet again, in the last few weeks.

I lived opposite the Brook House for all my life until February of this year our family running Luxton's Newsagents.

I have seen some changes to this pub over the years and can recall the Off Licence - think it was actually called "Off Sales" on the neon sign hanging in the window which used to be to the left of the east porch.

At the end the 60s the Bowling Green was removed and the car-park extended backwards when the Cavalier Restaurant was opened at the rear. In its early days this was quite nice and had a private bar for diners. My parents often took me in there. Around the same time the wall was built along the forecourt. Prior to this the front was open and cars could park there.

The "Off Sales" shop disappeared not long after a Co-Op off licence opened nearer the railway bridge this area was incorporated into what became the "Stable Bar" at the east end when this was extended into the old carraige stables / beer store. This part becoming the "Firkin" brewery at a later date.

However, the crest on the front of the building has always interesed me - where did it come from?

Was it on the original Brook House which was nearer Lidderdale Road?

Did it represent a prominent local family?

In the late 60s the Brook House sign showed a picture of a house (inn?) standing near a brook - presumably the original building which stood by the Lower Brook?

Just to the east of Brook House between there and the railway Bridge stood Penketh Hall - demolished around the time of WWI when the terraced houses and shops were built on the north side of Smithdown Road at this point.

Did the crest have any connection with this place?

As for the mystery number on the new sign - could 02/11/2000 be the date that the Finch and Firkin brand was changed to the M&B "Scream" brand and the building acquired its current unattarctive yellow paint work?

John

I know the shop youre talking about. I see a big Tesco place has sprung up. I can remember all those shops that is the magic of the area the continuity. I think the sign denotes a masonic order. Talking about ale it was double diamond the favoutrite pint of the sixties in there. I was to young to drink it I only remember the smell.The closing of the bus garage and other factors seems to have caused a decline yet it always survives. I think the student population have played a part in that. :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

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I see a big Tesco place has sprung up. I can remember all those shops that is the magic of the area the continuity. I think the sign denotes a masonic order. Talking about ale it was double diamond the favoutrite pint of the sixties in there. I was to young to drink it I only remember the smell.The closing of the bus garage and other factors seems to have caused a decline yet it always survives. I think the student population have played a part in that. :PDT_Aliboronz_24:

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The Tesco's has been there about four years now. It isn't that big - though looks as though it occupies the whole corner. Infact since Choices Video store closed down in August 2007 apart from Tesco's on the corner the only other occupied unit in that block is Carphone Warehouse. Two units have remained unlet since it was completed.

This is somewhat strange as a number of shops have changed hands during the same period. Our old shop Luxton's Newsagents was sold to a local builder who has a number of student properties. He rearranged the accomodation into student lets, turned the shops into "lock ups" and had people in the shops in no time. One must presume the owners of the Tesco block - who I think is Henry Boot Properties - are seeking rather higher rents than those prevailing in the area.

The population of the area is certainly boosted by students durin the holidays there is much space in the side roads with all the student cars gone. Different story during term times.

John

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The population of the area is certainly boosted by students durin the holidays there is much space in the side roads with all the student cars gone. Different story during term times.

John

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Students with cars :shock: Wow times have certainly changed. I only knew 1 guy who had a car in my days. I thought times were supposed to be financially harder for students than they were?

What need does a student have for a car in Liverpool. (Apart from weekly trips to buy the pot noodle supplies :) )

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What need does a student have for a car in Liverpool. (Apart from weekly trips to buy the pot noodle supplies :) )

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They are supplied by mummy and daddy for the trips back home town/village.