What school did you go to?

Hamilton B Gilmour - more stuff

He was a director of the Union Maritime Insurance Company - operating in the UK and US

http://books.google.com/books?id=N9M...our%22&f=false

In 1879 he was Chairman of the Liverpool and London and Globe Insurance Company, and seems to have very wisely (for that time) invested most of their assets in the up and coming railway industry.... from a New York document -

http://books.google.com/books?id=pcB...our%22&f=false


Got into local govt. too -

Notification of appointment of Hamilton B. Gilmour as representative on County Licensing Committee for Kirkdale Division QSP/4305/7 1889 11 Jul

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a...-115&cid=-1#-1

Member of the British Archaeological Association -

http://books.google.com/books?id=ODY...our%22&f=false

There may be a painting of him, but I couldn't get an on-line link to it -

"Merseyside Maritime Museum Hamilton Boswell Gilmour 1892 Cat.1999 no.179 illust"

Thank you Az-gilla and Oudeis. Wow ! I searched for hours and all I found was the Liverpool800 site. Im well impressed.
Have enough there now to be going on with thnaks again.

I also went to Harrison Jones School, I left July 1960 (a very long time ago).

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I was the only one in my family that did not go to Pleasant Street school, from my Grandmother who was born in 1889, my mother and brother and sisters also.

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Is there anybody else whose prepared to admit that they didn't go to school in Liverpool?
I'm beginning to feel like a foreigner. :)

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Haven't you noticed that this is a Liverpudlian site? That could be why you feel like a foreigner. Nevertheless you are welcome to join in. We can still adopt you.

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Haven't you noticed that this is a Liverpudlian site.

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Haven't you noticed that PhilipG is no longer a member on this site. :)

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Abbeyholme High School – I remember it very well with the fondest of memories. My name is Graham MaddrelI and I was known in my schooldays - and for years after - as Maddie. originally went to a school at the bottom of Smithdown Place which was called Angers House – it closed after six months (the building is still there on the corner of Heathfield Road ) and my parents found another school for me to go to - this was Abbeyholme - it was then called a High School.

I was around 5 at the time and this would have been somewhere around 1957 -1958 – I transferred over with another small Liverpool urchin named Alec Whittaker who I was mates with for many years.

At the time Alec lived in Toxteth towards the bottom of Parliament Street (if I recall it correctly) and lived in Liverpool 7 in a ‘play street’ at 18 Cambridge Street - the house is where the car park now is behind the Sidney Jones Library on the University of Liverpool campus.

At Abbeyholme I was straight into the very junior classes and there were quite a number of boys – and some girls. I can distinctly remenber the small room where all of us youngsters played and were taught - I was a dab hand at making wax crocodiles in a sand box!

The building in which Abbeyholme was sited was a large sprawling house with many large rooms - it’s frontage faced onto Church Road had a half curved drive in front and a large door which only the invited used - certainly not us wee sproggs - and a garden in front with large trees.

We always entered via the side pathway to the left of the building - looking at it from Church Road - towards the chemical lab and the first floor art room - this was a reasonably new building to the location. From there we walked a few more yards just left around the corner and into the large playing rough hard soil/gravel ground - after a few years Kees Velkamp became a God-like person when he installed two five-a-side sized goalposts on it.

Every break saw mob like crowds kicking a ball around in a frenzy of action - if we weren’t playing King-io (??). There were small trees on either side and at the bottom, over a small ridge, was a fairly natural if roughly overgown area of grass. At Christmas time we would even have an Abbeyholme Carol Service at a church nearby in Hunters Lane - and some us were chosen -much against our will to do a reading from the Bible!!

I stayed at Abbeyholme until it finally closed in the mid sixties – it was a heartbreaking situation after being at the school for so long and then to be cast adrift to new pastures - but not as happy - which was Morrison (Rose Lane) and then Quarrybank.

I was not the most prolific of pupils in all my time at Abbeyholme – in fact I’d say I was fairly useless. Mind you it was not helped by the fact that me eyes had started to deteriorate and my short sightedness became more profound so that I really could not see what was written the blackboard most of the time.

Hence, one year I received a massive 0/100 in my Maths exam - rewarded by being slung across a desk and given a bare-handed pounding over my back by Mr Cumberland (or Cumberlidge??) - not too politically correct these days me thinks. I actually managed to steam open my school report and change the figure to more acceptable if not too impressive 30 and handed it to my nearly proud parents - shameful eh!

These were the days before many of the accepted health checks regularly carried out at schools - especially eye sight checks - were introduced. The only thing I can recall was a walk along Church Road to have a monstrous jab with a BSG needle.

The most important thing for me was sports and playing footy - and grudgingly cricket in the Summer. One of the other teachers we had was the mercurial Miss McClelland - very old fashioned and not adverse to a quick rap across the knuckles with a ruler. To be honest all these years late I wouldn't have had it any other way.

For the footy, we used to change in the basement changing rooms and the unlucky ones had to grab a set of goalposts - no crossbars - and walk down Fir Lane to The Mystery and set up the pitch. The sports were then handled by Kees Velkamp - the young son of the headmaster the formidable, cigar smoking Mr Velkamp.

Kees was a great person, loved his footy, thought he was Bill Shankly, but encouraged all of us year after year to play the game - he was passionate about it - and for a few weeks we even trained. Kees even arranged for a visit to the school by Ron Yeats, Ian St John and Peter Thompson - all heroes of ours and now so was Kees for this miracle visit.

I always recall after many years of playing in the old, heavy canvas styled school shirts - which never fitted , Kees arranged for new lightweight strips to be made in the Abbeyholme colours - green and yellow for seniors (still have my shirt and I am still very proud of it) and red and black (??) halves for junior teams.

We were very impressed by looking like a proper footy team even if we were not the best - in fact I think it took us many years to actually win a game (under 15’s) - possible 2-1 against SFX. We were rewarded as winning heroes with bottles of the newly arrived Coca Cola from the tuck shop - which was based through an open e=window at the art block. I managed to play for most of the teams over the years as a ball winning left back - eventually progressing from the under-15’s to the first XI celebrating my debut with a cracking goal - sorry that should have read...own goal against Olive Mount.

I even managed a name check in the Liverpool Echo Football Pink one Saturday as Man of the Match in a game played at Jericho Lane - well, small boy of the match!

There were four house groups – Scott (yellow), Raleigh (Red), Columbus (Blue) and Hawk (Green) – I was in Scott, although it was always thought that Hawk collared the most talented and brainiest sports children etc, and were the most successful, followed by Raleigh, then Scott, and poor souls, bless them..... Columbus being the most dodgy!!!

Back to the school....in the morning we would assemble, after a shrill blast of a whistle, in single lines in front of the back building, and then trudge from left to right around a small fenced off inclined garden area and into the assembly hall. I failed my 11 plus though some thought on purpose so I wouldn't be moved to another school and not play as much footy. Sorry Kees but I was just hopeless!!!

Simple truth was I WAS absolutely hopeless, and I really didn’t mind toot much as all I wanted to do was play footy and become the next Gerry Byrne. With my poor eyesight it was obviously written in the stars - not that I could read it - that I would never be invited to join the brain drain, but the old mince pies were still good enough for me to make slide tackles and leg breaking tackles.

Some of the names of the people I was at school with have regrettably now faded, however, some still seem very familiar - Graham Simm, the twinny brothers – Derek and (??) Hawkins, Neil Cain - the only person I have ever had a punch up in with in my life but we were still best mates, Harold ‘Micky’ Mullins - a good centre forward, Frank Robotham - good left winger and soon went into become one of the leading lights in the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board, Kieron ‘Irish’ Dunne - classy left half, Leigh Wheeler – who was related to the old Liverpool footballer Johnny Wheeler, Ivor Morris and his elder brother Geoff - lived in Childwall, Noel Winterbottom – who parents had a tailors shop at Penny Lane, Peter Heptonstall - great goalie, and Peter Chadwick - flame haired forward, Snowy White, whose hair colour perhaps revealed the secret of his nickname, Ernie Lewis - and sister Kathy - from Lark Lane, and Robert Binks. Sorry to all the old pals I have missed out and really should not have - blame it on old age!

What about the girls? - there were the Cornforth's – whose parents owned a florist Shop in the High Street in Wavertree, Gail McKenzie, Julie Jones – and her brother. That’s all I can recall as we were more interested in footy that girls in those days.

School dinners were a pleasure - queue up at lunchtime and we headed downstairs - opposite the sport changing rooms - to the multi tabled room - Mrs Velkamp did the school dinners magnificent roasties, shepherds pie to die for and rice pudding (with great skins), and custard with inch thick skin - we all queued up again to ask politely, “Please Miss can I please have have some seconds.”

She was often helped out by the two sisters and the Velkamp’s owned two massive St Bernard dogs - often seen on the playground.

Even all these years later every time I pass the now flattened site of Abbeyholme I always think about the effect it had in my life and how I turned out - not such a bad guy - I would have loved to have caught up with Kees and told him about my career in local government - unfortunately not as an overpaid footy star - worse luck!!! - and I would certainly love to meet some of the guys I spent my early years with to see what paths they have taken and how life has treated them - well I sincerely hope!

Cheers Abbeyholme - thanks for the great start in life.

Me at Angers House circa 1956 - (l/r) front row left with Alec Whittaker on right

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/att...7&d=1293478035

One of my school reports from Abbeyholme

http://www.yoliverpool.com/forum/att...8&d=1293478086

Thank you for posting I love reading stories like this.

There was always one kid that their mother would buy a prince charles coat for.

A few pictures of my school days, 2 from Tiber Street and 1 from the Boy's Institute.

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A few pictures of my school days, 2 from Tiber Street and 1 from the Boy's Institute.

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good to see the Tiber Street photos with Mrs Newman,I reconise a lot of the kids faces too ......I think you must have been in the year between me & my sister

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Thank you for posting I love reading stories like this.

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Yes Yo Liverpool at its best!

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There was always one kid that their mother would buy a prince charles coat for.

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He looks very smart George!

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He looks very smart George!

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Not sayin he doesn? I guess you didn't get my meaning to this. :)

backin the 50's 60's because the queen was so popular mothers would dress the little tykes in the same attire that charles wore as a nipper.

All my clothes were handmade by my Ma as she was good at knitting/seamstress and I looked smarter than that.

/blows on fingers :)

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Just under halfway through the clip(Lime Street Station) you'll spot the coat. :)
http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=34218

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good to see the Tiber Street photos with Mrs Newman,I reconise a lot of the kids faces too ......I think you must have been in the year between me & my sister

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I left Tiber in 1981, I was born in 1970.

What year did you leave? Did you live on Lodge Lane.

We lived in Ashbridge and then moved onto Noel St in 82.

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A few pictures of my school days, 2 from Tiber Street and 1 from the Boy's Institute.

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Great pics Chris, Your Hallie is the image of u :)

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I left Tiber in 1981, I was born in 1970.

What year did you leave? Did you live on Lodge Lane.

We lived in Ashbridge and then moved onto Noel St in 82.

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I was born September 1968 & my sister was born September 1970 & we lived Beaumont Grove ,close to Kingsley Rd
my sisters name is Jackie Robinson

Your sister must have been in the year below me and you the year above.
Tiber was a brilliant school with a good reputation.

St. Swithens, Parkstile Lane, Gillmoss. (LRO)

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St Michaels, in the hamlet of the same name, off Aigburth.

Lambeth Rd by way of St Johns, Glan Alyn and Westminster Rd,,

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I'm actually frightened that this school, which I went to, will be lost in the annals of time. I'm still yet to find any pictures of this school that had the nickname 'Colditz'.

The Old St Patricks School is still on Park Road, well the front part looks to be still intact.

I went to O,L,I and Queen Of All Saints.

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St. Swithens, Parkstile Lane, Gillmoss. (LRO)

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Ged, that was St Swithin's on Croxteth Hall Lane, Croxteth. Our Lady and St Swithin which used to be called Gillmoss County Primary is on Parkstile Lane. There's a fair bit on there that no longer exists. The Dog & Gun, The Brewers Arms, the cinder track and changing rooms, Regal Heights, Sceptre Tower, St Swithin's school, Storrington Heys (just at the top of the picture), all the maisonettes which were cut down to just normal houses and it's a bit too dark a picture to see if they're there but, the old Queen of Martyrs church and the red brick police station opposite the Doggy. If it's any later than the late 60's/early 70's then the latter two will have already gone. Oh, and all the flat roofed firemans houses on Storrington Avenue too.