Move along now, nothing to see here. It's just handbags.
:-)
Move along now, nothing to see here. It's just handbags.
:-)
Ha, you'd know more about that than me...Originally Posted by kevin
I just keep on giving too much away.
:-(
Spose it's not your fault you wear womens clothes...
It's the voices in my head, they tell me to do it.
I just typed in google, morman sailing ship Ellen Maria and what a load of information came out. the stories are incredible Well worth the read. I have been trying to find pictures of these ships. Ver Brave people.
Between January and early April1853, eight tall sailing ships from
Liverpool brought 2,586 Mormons to New Orleans.25 A few stayed there,
but most moved up the Mississippi River on steamers to St. Louis and then
to Keokuk.26 The ships, company presidents, and departure and arrival dates
are as follows:27
Company Depart Aprox. Arrive Aprox.Arrive
Company/Ship Passengers President Liverpool New Orleans Keokuk
Forest Monarch 297 Jn. Forsgren 1/16/53 3/16/53 4/21
Ellen Maria 332 Moses Clawson 1/17/53 3/06/53 Bef. April 21
Golconda 321 Jacob Gates 1/23/53 3/26/53 Bef. April 21
Jersey 314 Geo. Halliday 2/05/53 3/22/53 Bef. April 21
Elvira Owen 345 Jos.W. Young 2/15/53 3/31/53 4/13
International 425 Chrstph.Arthur 2/28/53 4/25/53 Early May
Falcon 324 Cnlius. Bagnall 3/28/53 5/18/53 About May 28
Camillus 228 Curtis Bolton 4/06/53 6/07/53 Middle of June
Four of the company presidents became wagon-train captains at
Keokuk: Elders Forsgren, Clawson, Gates, and Young. So, too, did two
returning missionaries aboard the Golconda, Claudius Spencer and Appleton
Harmon. Also gathering to Keokuk were Saints residing in St. Louis and
converts from the United States and Canada.28 Most Saints reached Keokuk
on steamboats belonging to the Keokuk Packet Line, after a twenty-fourhour
trip from St. Louis, two hundred miles away.29
On 7 January 1855 a company of 440 Scandinavian Saints-about 300 of which had survived a
particularly stormy voyage from Copenhagen to England aboard the steamer Cimbria-sailed
from Liverpool in the ship James Nesmith. Elder Peter O. Hansen presided over the
emigrants. Captain Harvey Mills skippered the vessel. This master had previously
commanded the 200-ton brig Thomas & Edward in 1846 for the Dispatch Line and the 199-ton
brig Ellis in 1847 for the New Line. The passenger manifest listed thirteen deaths during
the crossing. On 23 February the square-rigger arrived at New Orleans after a forty-seven-
day passage.
Nice one Captain.
The route mentioned...
..is interesting.
A lot of the Liverpool/Glasgow ships took the more Northern route and sailed to Halifax, Nova Scotia and proceeded down the St. Lawrence to the Great Lakes - and landed in Chicago or Wisconsin and headed West by wagon train. The Illinois River provided an easy travel route from Chicago to St. Louis, the wagon train starting point. Check out the poster collections/reproductions in Liverpool...
This may have been the shortest, cheapest way to the plains states, but since these folks were heading to Utah, the more Southern route up the Mississippi might have been quicker - certainly in winter.
Salt Lake City was only founded in 1847, so these shiploads were very early Utah settlers.
My family history shows travel to Wisconsin, and then on to Nebraska, with family groups still existing in both states. The St. Lawrence path seems to have had an additional benefit - two brothers both found Canadian wives before the next US census...
The southerly route round the Florida Keys to the Mississipi would have been used in the winter months and the St Lawrence in the Summer months. We used to take a southerly route to New York and to Halifax in winter with the North Atlantic violent storms and also the St Lawrence being frozen for a thousand miles from the Belle Isle Straits to the Lakes also being frozen. We took the northerly great circle in Summer, much shorter
Wish I had done some sailing in the Merchant Navy. As I get older, I get more of a craving to sail. Dont know what it is but I feel so at home on water. But i have never experienced the bad conditions that no doubt the Capt'n has. Despite our heritage, there doesn't seem to be a lot of sailing opportunities here. Or am I looking in the wrong places?
There are only Cruise ships now and they cost a few bob.
I use them cos at my age what am I saving up for?
If I dont spend it the Kids will be enjoying cruises at my expence.
Yeah but cruises? All those people together in one ship. Don't you just wanna throw half of them in the drink?
That is true , but if you want to go to sea today you will have to turn your self into a 21 year old Filipino, they are the only ones getting the jobs.
Including a few Ukraiines, Estonians and other cheepo labour.
After the Mormon emigrants from the ship William Tapscott landed at New York City on 15 May 1859, their journey westward followed a route no other company had taken. They traveled up the Hudson River to Albany and went on to Windsor, Ontario, Canada, and then crossed over to Detroit. From there the emigrants took a train to St. Joseph, Missouri, where they boarded the steamboat St. Mary on 21 May on 21 May. Four days later they arrived at Florence, Nebraska. The St. Mary was skippered by Captain M. Morrison and owned by J.M. Cabbell of Keokuk, Iowa. This steamboat, which hailed out of Keokuk, was built with wood with a cabin on her one deck and a plain head. In September of that year [1859] the vessel was snagged above St. Joseph and lost.
On April 11, 1859 the William Tapscott set sail for New York in the United States of America. The cost of the voyage from England to America cost five British pounds.
William Tapscott.
Ship: 1525 tons: 195’ x 41’ x 21’
Built: 1852 by William Drommond at Bath, Maine
In three voyages the square-rigger William Tapscott transported 2262 Mormon emigrants—the greatest number of any sailing craft. Captain James B. Bell was the master during these passages. This first began at Liverpool on 11 April 1859. Under the presidency of Elder Robert F. Neslen and his counselors, Henry H. Harris and George Rowley, the 725 Saints were organized into five English and Swiss wards occupying one side of the ship and five Scandinavian wards the other side.
The William Tapscott was one of the largest full-rigged ships built in Maine during the 1850s. She was a typical “Down Easter”—sturdy, moneymaking, moderately sparred, and designed for carrying capacity. She was a three-decker with a square stern and billethead. Among her owners, including her namesake, were such well-known mariners as William Drummond, Gilbert C. Trufant, and George B. Cornish. She hailed from New York. After plying the oceans for about forty years the William Tapscott was lost in the English Channel in the early 1890s.
Reading about these people they must have been incredibly brave. By the time they arrived in Utah, they had been robbed by the crimps and thieves in Liverpool while awaiting a ship, Death from sickness and disease and ship wreck on the ships, attacked and robbed by the Indians, death on the prairies and so on.
All this is from the site........The Journey to ZION.
Excellent reading.
Mormon emmigrant ship William Tapscott
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