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    Why don't we just bulldoze Hale Village?
    Problem solved.
    I don't have a problem with environmental issues but its always Liverpool that suffers the most from whinging fringe groups.
    There seems to be no consistancy with these people.
    Where were they when acres of Cheshire were disappearing under tarmac for mancs second runway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry View Post
    Why don't we just bulldoze Hale Village?
    Problem solved.
    That does not solve the problem at all, as the flight path is still over chemical plants at Runcorn.

    Why don't we just move the runway over a matter yards, where it should have been to begin with and all problems solved. Then passenger and cargo terminals can be all on the land side.

    Too easy isn't!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Too easy isn't!
    Why don't you write the Planning department and JLA and tell them your plan... and I'll hold my breath ..................not!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bunnyman View Post
    Living in holes in th woods. Remember Swampy?
    Yeh and what a bunch of hypocrites. They were there claiming to be protecting the environment and they wrecked loads of trees.



    I think the Greens attract a lot of no-marks who are there just for a bit of fun. They couldn't give a toss one way or the other.

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    They wrecked ??? ... how?, by chopping them down ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazzab View Post
    I think the Greens attract a lot of no-marks who are there just for a bit of fun. They couldn't give a toss one way or the other.
    People like Paul Nolan, Director of The Mersey Forest who helped set-up the Last Call scheme you mean?

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    Group stage protest at airport
    Sep 24 2006

    A group of protesters are holding a "service of remembrance" on the tarmac at Nottingham East Midlands Airport.

    Twenty-one protestors are sitting on the taxiway between two cargo holds, led by Baptist Minister Reverend Malcolm Carroll, a spokesman for the airport confirmed.

    Ryan Martinez said the group are staging a peaceful protest and that the airport is operating as normal.

    The airport's website is warning that one flight is currently delayed but Mr Martinez was unable to say whether the delays are a result of the protest.

    "There are a group of 21 protestors who have breached our security. They are sitting on one of the taxiways in between the west cargo apron and the central cargo apron," he said.

    "The police are obviously with them but it is peaceful. We haven't had any flights come in or take off since they have been here but the airport is not closed at the moment."

    The group, hailing themselves "Plane Stupid", scaled the airport's perimeter fence shortly before 8am and staged the sit-in in a bid to highlight the effect aviation has on climate change, the group's spokesman Joss Garman said.

    "Aviation is the greatest contributor to climate change," Mr Garman added.

    "Reverend Carroll is leading a service of remembrance for the victims of climate change. The effects of aviation on the climate this century, if we don't stop short-haul flights, will be catastrophic. According to the UN 150,000 people die every year from climate change. That is a 9/11 every week. The only reasonable solution is to stop short-haul flights."

    The group, thought to be the first direct action environmental group targeting the aviation industry, are part of the wider "Climate Camp" group, responsible for the recent protests at the Drax power station in North Yorkshire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FKoE View Post
    They wrecked ??? ... how?, by chopping them down ?
    Not far off. They built tree houses and set up barricades in the trees so the authorities couldn't get near them.

    They also used some of the branches to keep their fires going. I don't mean all of them but the protest attracted a lot of people who had nothing to do and went along to cause trouble.

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    thats an outrage, burning branches to keep warm, imagine what the smoke from that burning is doing to the atmosphere

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    I think some of the points made by the "Greens" regarding pollution by airports, is quite valid. However, and with regards to Liverpool John Lennon Airport, they will need to get used to it. It is my opinion that Liverpool John Lennon will grow to be one of Europe's largest airports. It is ideally situated on a river estuary with room to construct three more runways and as many terminals. It's flight path on approach and departures is mostly over water and, apart from one fairly small housing subdivision, located in a predominantly industrial area, on both sides of the river. The growth will be gradual and it will be many years befor LPL reaches it's full potential but I am confident it will. IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sloyne View Post
    I think some of the points made by the "Greens" regarding pollution by airports, is quite valid. However, and with regards to Liverpool John Lennon Airport, they will need to get used to it. It is my opinion that Liverpool John Lennon will grow to be one of Europe's largest airports. It is ideally situated on a river estuary with room to construct three more runways and as many terminals.
    Look at a map. All around the airport is being developed. The old North Airport is being built on. There isn't much room around there and an awful housing estate pins the airport back to the river preventing expansion. The existing runway is misplaced too. The only way it can be developed to a Heathrow type of airport is have the runways "in" the river, and build over the existing runaways/taxiways. Having the cargo terminal between the river and runways is also a barrier to future expansion.

    A long term plan should have:

    1. A new runway partially in the river angled to not fly over Hale village and chemical plants at Runcorn.

    2. The cargo terminal roughly where the existing runway is.

    3. Demolish Speke housing estate to expand onto.

    4. Have a rail line run in with an integrated terminal station, as at Gatwick.

    5. Have a rail line serve the cargo terminal to link with Seaforth.

    6. Have a rail line link with Garston Docks for the cargo terminal.

    As none of the above are to happen and in fact quite the reverse (Speke is being done up, the cargo terminal is to go near the river, no rail link planned, etc), John Lennon will not grow to a large major international airport at all.

    The location is better than Manchester for the north west, as Manchester airport is in the bottom right hand corner of the North West, which serves the Midlands a lot - Derbyshire is very near, but passengers are passengers. John Lennon airport has potential, however in typical Liverpool style there will be no long term plan that can be implemented in stages to achieve the end goal, just a cheap quick firefighting fix.
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    The planes are quite low to the ground ready to land once there over Hale.

    Imagine all the noise they get from planes.

    Anyway, all John Lennon Airport has to do to stop these protestors is hire me and like the Cobra, I will strike!
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    Face up to climate change - and reject airport growth
    Oct 17 2006
    No other

    city is so dependent on cheap air travel

    by Larry Neild, Liverpool Daily

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    POLITICIANS in Liverpool are being urged by the only Green

    councillor to reject airport expansion plans.

    Cllr John Coyne has challenged backbenchers in the council chamber to “face up to the issues of climate

    change”.

    He has called on them to call-in for a full debate the council executive board's decision to approve the expansion plans for Liverpool

    airport, and also to turn down plans for a new link road towards the Speke-Widnes road at Halewood.

    Cllr Coyne said he is making his stand – for the

    sake of the climate and future generations.

    In a message to councillors, he said: “With the executive board approving the Liverpool airport master

    plan, and cheering on the explosive growth in cheap air travel from Liverpool, I have to ask if we are taking the right course.

    “Climate-changing

    emissions from aircraft are the fastest-growing and the most potent source of global warming.

    “Carbon emissions, globally, need to contract. And

    across the planet we need to reduce the inequality between the pollution caused by the lifestyles of the rich and poor.

    “To be credible, the new aim

    of the city council to be ‘the greenest city in Europe’ requires us to take climate change seriously.

    “Therefore, we should reject the demand for a

    new link road, for more car parking and for expanded air freight at the airport.

    “Instead, we should plan for air travel to peak in 2008 and slowly

    contract after that.

    “To base the city's regeneration plans on ever-expanding cheap air travel would be about as prudent and morally justifiable as

    to bet our future on jobs in the tobacco industry.

    “This year and next year, nobody will blame a family which takes a cheap flight to Tenerife when

    it's too dear to take the train to Torquay. But even air travellers know that the politicians need to act to put the protection of the climate above the

    demands of fancy new holiday habits. Air travel has to shrink and it has to cost more.

    “No other city is becoming so dependent on the expansion of a

    cheap air transport bubble and Liverpool would be cruelly exposed when that bubble bursts. The motto ‘Above us only sky’ could literally describe an airfield

    deserted by planes.”

    Labour leader Cllr Joe Anderson rejected Cllr Coyne’s call. He said: “We cannot support his stance. The airport is a key economic

    driver for the city and I want us to encourage the airport to grow. The issues raised by Cllr Coyne need to be looked at from a national or global

    perspective, but expecting us to turn our backs on regeneration would just see competitors such as Manchester reaping the

    rewards.”

    larryneild@dailypost.co.uk

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