It doesn't need the newspapers to put the locals in a bad light when they seem to be doing an alright job of that themselves.
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It doesn't need the newspapers to put the locals in a bad light when they seem to be doing an alright job of that themselves.
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My mate who was playing said it was scary when he heard gunshots.Originally Posted by Ged
The ref was gonna continue but most of the lads said "no way".
I would expect a scrap at sunday footy but not stabbings and shootings.
These kids need a good bit of parental guidance and the parents need a good education to give that guidance.Do they have it ? I think not.
I can remember when norris green was a bit of a posh area.
Remember,there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over!
When Norris Green was first built in the 1930s by City architect Lancelot Keay, builder of over 35,000 new homes including tenements rising from the unsanitary slum clearances, like Speke it was a blueprint for all future developments on that scale and was a grand concept. From the air, it has a sense of a great layout and had its own baths, library, amenities etc. It's sad the way it's gone.
POLICE flooded the streets of Croxteth and Norris Green to hunt down teenage yobs terrorising frightened residents. Read
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The hoodies will start wearing ribbons so they don't get a pull.
Not one hobby bobby involved in any arrests ? Get rid!
These raids and high presence have to be welcomed and on going. As one bloke on Radio Merseyside said today, even if you built more youth centres, the type we're on about here wouldn't be seen dead in them anyway and would just wreck them.
Can I tell you all something without offending anybody?
Are you willing to listen to an informed observer, who is an outsider to Liverpool and its local culture?
Your police in this town, indeed this entire nation, are way too concerned with political correctness, which in turn makes them ineffective. Believe me, I consider myself a left-winger, indeed one of the last true Socialists, but I have witnessed time and time again your local cops getting punked off by 15 year olds. It makes the officers look foolish, and it empowers the punk kid to be even more disruptive and disrespectful.
Recently, I was at a Liverpool match, and outside the gates in the Anfield Road a few of the local kids (..I mean kids too, probably 14 or 15 at most), not entering the game, but just lingering about. They were standing outside a shop drinking beer and hurling abuse at all the 'tourists' invading their neighbourhood. When two burly PC's approached these punks, the cops were almost apologetic to the kids and begged these urchins to behave. Naturally, the kids hurled even more abuse at the football supporters, but worst of all they told the cops to 'F Off'. I couldn't believe my ears! However, what I couldn't believe even more was the the fact that the two cops just walked away and did NOTHING!
Let me tell you, if this was New York, that gang of punks would be looking for their teeth on that corner. After that they would have been going to jail via the Hospital. I'm not advocating police abuse of power, but these cops can't be neutered to the point where they don't have the upper hand in dealing with street thugs. The street is a rough and tumble place. You can't rigidly enforce rules of conduct on officers trying to maintain order in the most unorderly places. Forcing the local cops to grin and bear such abuse is stupid and naive. I'd rather the Internal Affairs Division of the Merseyside Police be left out of the discussion for a while if it meant getting safer streets again. The only thing these yobs understand is the slap of a stern hand and the negative renforcement that comes with a jail cell. You are not going to be able to use reason with a drunk abusive 15 year old who has never had the steady hand of a father or male role model.
One other thing while I'm on my soap box. You don't nearly have enough police officers working in Merseyside. And these unpaid uniformed volunteer what-ever-you-call-them don't cut it either. You need thousands of additional rank-and-file police officers hired in Merseyside (and I would suspect everywhere elsewhere in the UK too). I know the cops are highly paid over here, and this would put an additional burden on taxes and government spending, but from everything I've seen in this country, you no longer can afford not to hire more cops.
Even with the drop in crime rates under Giuliani New York has far higher levels of crimes reported per head of population than Liverpool..gif "Snf (41)")
If we must have the community support officer type enrollment, wouldn't they be better suited to tackle the paperwork and red tape we keep hearing ties up the proper officers, and let them get out on the streets doing the job. Better still though, just get rid of the paperwork in the first place, aren't computers and databases supposed to have quickened things up?
Even better still, just get rid of the community support officers and hire a lot more real cops to take their place. It sounds to me this community support officer concept is another way to backhand the cop's union, the police federation or whatever it's called. Eitherway, I'm sure the rank-and-file coppers aren't too pleased that low-paid/volunteer civilians acting as community support officers are doing their jobs. When you lose the morale of the cops through union busting antics like this, you'll get police apathy, and thus higher crime rates. Treat the cops and their trade union fairly, and you'll get more work out of them. I'll also reiterate that I think we should let them do their jobs and not meddle too much in how they go about cleaning up the streets--for now that is. I don't want them to have a free hand forever, just enough leeway to regain some order is all. Nonetheless, the only way to attack this juvenile crime epidemic is to hire a lot more cops and quit interfering with how the cops do their jobs. Until that happens, you're going to get more incidents like the one I described in my last post. You can't neuter your police force in the name of political correctness.
Well there's a lot to be said for the old clip around the ear times but those days will never come back as that's now 'assault' and where there's blame etc etc - you know the rest.
I remember the OSD and the suss law and by and large that was a good excuse for bad coppers to have a free hand on beating people up in the back of vans - remember the documentary not long ago that saw coppers sitting off in a car park eating chips and ignoring a radio call to go to an incident.
Yes, police apathy has to be addressed and i'd even go for recruiting ex soldiers or current ones should their need here when brought back from Iraq and Afghanistan result in them being underused by the army. Lets see the thugs and plazzy gangster deal with someone who's done the real deal.
You are right in what you say BDM.
I'd love those yobs to get a good boot up the backside.
When I go on holiday in southern Spain I notice how authoritive the police look. They look like they don't take no messing !
They look like they will use the baton no trouble !
I remember when we were on a train and the guardia civil were patroling up and down the the carriages - and you only had to take one look at them to see they mean business ! The batons (and I think they had guns) literally brushed past your shoulder as you sat there
I wish we had stern police like that.
Our police are just made to look foolish now - through no fault of their own.
ps,
Ged. you are right - we need the army now.
Wooo there,
we got stern police here.I have witnessed the way they "bully" the kids.
Some are too handy with their fists.I have seen police sticking two fingers up to the kids and shout abuse at them.This did shock me as I didn't think I would ever see something as stupid as that.
The police also planted some hash on my nephew so they could give him a street caution.Great stuff.My nephew doesn't even smoke!!
So we still have the bully police,the stupid police and the hobby bobby police where I live.
We have had 2 trial bikes going around for the past few days doing what thugs do on them.
No sign of any police anywhere.Am lucky if I see a copper once a week by me.
Anyway thats my two peneths worth!
John got your PM, but can't reply as it says that you won't
accept PM,s ?. Can you mail me direct at
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