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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiPathos View Post
    Someone on here raises an interesting point and I'd like to expand on it with a question -

    Can anyone provide an example of Mr. Slemen discovering any unique, verifiable and substantial information about any of the criminal cases which he has "investigated" which cannot be otherwise ascertained via any pre-existing published material ?

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    Welcome AntiPathos.

    A very good question.

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    What Wavertree street was the Cameo?

    I forgot which street but I remember lemen's article In the South Liverpool Merseymart.
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    What Wavertree street was the Cameo?

    I forgot which street but I remember lemen's article In the South Liverpool Merseymart.
    The corner of Webster Road & Bird Street.
    Off Smithdown Road.
    There's new housing there now.

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    Ahhhh Webster Road I know.

    I thought that was Edge Hill though since It's past Earl Road?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiPathos View Post
    Someone on here raises an interesting point and I'd like to expand on it with a question -

    Can anyone provide an example of Mr. Slemen discovering any unique, verifiable and substantial information about any of the criminal cases which he has "investigated" which cannot be otherwise ascertained via any pre-existing published material ?

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    welcome AntiPathos

    That is a very reasonable question to ask, im sure if you visited Toms forum and asked him in his " Ask Tom " section he might be able to answer it for you? I cant answer that one but he reckons that he has a new ripper suspect that has not been mentioned in the suspect mix before - guess we will have to wait till his book is published i guess

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    PhilipG/Emmanuel Goldstein,

    Thanks for the welcome fellas.

    As far as asking him on his forum what he has demonstrably achieved in respect of moving on any unsolved/contentious criminal cases, this might be pointless. I have heard that anything remotely challenging to answer is promptly deleted. I've seen his site and one could be forgiven for imagining that the TS Forum is strictly for his peculiar band of personal nuthuggers and oddball sycophants but 'difficult' posts have been made on that board and swiftly plucked off the Truth Tree and left to rot in Slemen's deletion bin. It's not in his interests to have his regular board viewers exposed to any trace of critical thinking after all...



    And as for his Ripper bandwagonning, Mr George would be an apt person to comment on that. Although the inactivity regarding his 'theory' on the Casebook website says alot.

    If you hadn't guessed, I posed my original question after having recently read Slemen's treatment of the Cameo Cinema Murders. AFAICR, not a thing of interest which he wrote could not have been gleaned from Mr. George Skelly's book. And anything else which he has imagined to have happened was without a mite of evidence.

    His Ripper book, if it ever sees the light of day, will be the first time he has ever typed a substantial work of any kind. Perhaps that's why it's so far taken him twelve years to not produce. After all his specialism lies in the rather less illustrious direction of constructing short pieces of laughable nonsense for the intellectually infirm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AntiPathos View Post
    PhilipG/Emmanuel Goldstein,

    Thanks for the welcome fellas.

    As far as asking him on his forum what he has demonstrably achieved in respect of moving on any unsolved/contentious criminal cases, this might be pointless. I have heard that anything remotely challenging to answer is promptly deleted. I've seen his site and one could be forgiven for imagining that the TS Forum is strictly for his peculiar band of personal nuthuggers and oddball sycophants but 'difficult' posts have been made on that board and swiftly plucked off the Truth Tree and left to rot in Slemen's deletion bin. It's not in his interests to have his regular board viewers exposed to any trace of critical thinking after all...

    And as for his Ripper bandwagonning, Mr George would be an apt person to comment on that. Although the inactivity regarding his 'theory' on the Casebook website says alot.

    If you hadn't guessed, I posed my original question after having recently read Slemen's treatment of the Cameo Cinema Murders. AFAICR, not a thing of interest which he wrote could not have been gleaned from Mr. George Skelly's book. And anything else which he has imagined to have happened was without a mite of evidence.

    His Ripper book, if it ever sees the light of day, will be the first time he has ever typed a substantial work of any kind. Perhaps that's why it's so far taken him twelve years to not produce. After all his specialism lies in the rather less illustrious direction of constructing short pieces of laughable nonsense for the intellectually infirm.

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    Do a Search in this group for Slemen and you'll find some interesting posts.
    He obviously has his admirers and non-admirers.
    Regarding myself as a local historian I'm always willing to give my sources (which TS never gives), and always try to deal in facts.
    But I don't write about ghosts and ghoulies simply because I'm a non-believer.

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    The other day someone rang in to Billy Butler's radio prog and asked him about an upcoming film based on the Cameo murders. The caller said something like "it's a certificate 18, with US and British actors and will be out in the Autumn". After I heard it my Insightful Question of the Day was that I wasn't sure sure if this caller was asking Billy or telling him (think about it). Something didn't seem right anyway and so I did some digging: there's no Cameo film registered with the BBFC and nothing showing up on IMDB. So, does anyone know anything about it ? Or is a better searcher than I am !

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    There is a film of the cameo case in production.... I believe...

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    Hi all

    I understand that from a recent email from George Skelly, author of The Cameo Conspiracy, that a movie of his book is still in the works.

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    Dinnae just say that without the palava mate ?

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    Yeh yer rite mate. Just thought I'd add a bit o' palaver tho.
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    Seeing as they were both mates of me dars... I don't see the point... honestly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    Hello Mark R.

    Great to see you here. I believe you will know me from the Casebook: Jack the Ripper website. Contemporary views of people involved in famous cases are always interesting. I found George Skelly's The Cameo Conspiracy to be quite persuasive, although I have recently read Richard Whittington-Egan's assessment that the alleged gunman, George Kelly--whom he had met--was the "Little Caesar of Lime Street." It still doesn't mean of course that Kelly did the double murders of the manager and assistant manager at the Cameo Cinema in Wavertree on March 19, 1949 but RWE's characterization of Kelly gives one pause for thought.

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    Chris, have you ever read Barry Shortall's book on the Cameo murders? This seems to imply that Kelly was innnocent but Connolly was guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteH View Post
    Chris, have you ever read Barry Shortall's book on the Cameo murders? This seems to imply that Kelly was innnocent but Connolly was guilty.
    Hi Steve

    No I have not read the Shortall book. Connolly and Kelly of course contended they did not even know each other. If Shortall is right that Connolly was involved in the Cameo murders, why didn't he turn in the gunman instead of contending, as I believe his counsel argued at his second trial, that Kelly did the murders -- a story that he later recanted?

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