So the Bottom of Scottie Road is in Everton Eh..Mmmm !!!
That is one of the signs which gets contradicted when travelling down County Road as there is one which says "Kirkdale". You never see one for Everton though!
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Actually, although this may sound daft, which district is Scottie and Great Homer Street in? I am planning on updating Flickr with some images but I don't want to write the wrong district! In the past I have said that Scottie is in Vauxhall (as that is what Scottie Press says on their website) but that isn't strictly a reconised district is it? I have a rather dated map claiming that Westmister Road is in "Melrose" and that Hall Lane is in Smithdown.
Toxteth doesn't even get a mention as it is slit between Abercromby, Granby , Arundel and possibly even Aigburth depending on whatyou think is Aigburth and what you think is Toxteth.
Have taken photos but if you can wait untill Friday, I can get some proper scans! It's not a A-Z but a Official Liverpool Street Plan from 1986!
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Yes strange the weay places move overnight.
Have a look here
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/sou...no=1&pubid=289
Just noticed after going through me 100 odd images of the "Vauxhall" area that on the corner of Stanley Road and Lambeth Road, there is a sign saying "Everton" going city bound! That is strange!
To be honest, I wouldn't have said that Everton extended below Netherfield Road but that's just me.
Thanks for your info as to where Great Homer Street is; you might have noticed I had some trouble over on the Aigburth thread so I ma now somewhat weary of saying that a road is in one place when infact it is in another!
EDIT: Just a quickie! Where is the boundary between Vauxhall and Kirkdale? I am starting to write images for Westminister Road you see!
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Dacre St.
This marks the divide between Liverpool (Kirkdale) and Sefton (Bootle) along the 'dock road'. An oldish sign, that seems to have escaped being replaced.
This is the same problem as the Toxteth and Wavertree boundaries that have come up on this forum. Everton was originally a township in the parish of Walton on the Hill. As such its boundaries have been defined for a very long time. With the urbanisation of the area from the late 18th C onwards, these boundaries became blurred and new subdistricts developed. I'll have to look up my old maps to relate Everton township's boundaries to present day streets. One source of confusion miight be that the old council Everton ward boundaries extended beyond the Everton township boundaries. This is what happened in Toxteth Park where the Dingle ward extended way beyond the area of the Dingle itself which really started at the bottom of Park Rd near the Ancient Chapel of Toxteth. Hence also the street name Dingle Mount which implies it was above the Dingle.
I would say that Gerard is right that there's no way that the bottom or even the top end of Scottie is in Everton. I'd also say Wallasey is correct in that Everton doesn't extend any further West than Netherfield Road. Where that Everton sign is by the Stanley chippy, locals would say it is still Kirkdale because Boundary street was the old boundary with Kirkdale.
I've just had a look at my township boundary maps for the Everton area. The original township boundaries in the Gt Homer st area were field boundaries. These were not in a straight line and hovered back and fro across what became Gt Homer St. ( see Gage's 1836 map) Indeed one part of Gt Homer St itself was called Boundary St at one time. With the continued urbanisation of the area, Gt Homer St itself became the Everton Boundary with Liverpool.
So yes Scotland Rd was not in the township of Everton. Interestingly though in the 1850s the area north of the present Boundary St was classed as Everton Ward. The area to the south was called Scotland Ward. As the population grew, these ward names changed
Good stuff Taffy.
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