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    The new building looks

    like a monsterosity to me. Little better than the defeated Fourth Grace proposal.

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    At first I hated this proposal, but over the past few months I have begun to like these

    buildings. The revised design looks better than the original and alot of time and effort seems to have gone into it. I think that this project will be one of

    those that is controvercial, but when it is complete I think people will actually like it and it will probably become one of the most liked buildings in the

    city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
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    new building looks like a monsterosity to me. Little better than the defeated Fourth Grace proposal.

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    Some angles

    work better than others I reckon I'm hoping all the doubters will change their opinions when it's built.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisGeorge View Post
    The new building looks like a monsterosity to me. Little better than the defeated Fourth Grace proposal.



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    City waterfront plan to go ahead

    A 120m development on the site of Liverpool's doomed Fourth Grace,

    has been given the go-ahead.
    The waterfront scheme consists of three wedge-shaped buildings on Mann Island, built next to the controversial X-shaped

    Museum of Liverpool.

    The city's planning committee gave its approval on Tuesday.

    The decision had been delayed after concerns were raised

    about whether it would affect the waterfront's World Heritage Status.

    Inspectors visited the city, and the council said their preliminary report was

    "positive". A more extensive report is not expected until next year.

    Opponents claim the buildings, two of which will be residential, could harm the

    area's architectural heritage.


    Will Alsop's controversial design was eventually rejected

    Among the groups opposing the scheme include

    the Liverpool Preservation Trust, The Victorian Society and Albert Dock Residents' Association.

    The three granite-clad buildings would house more

    than 300 apartments in two buildings, as well as offices, shops, bars and restaurants.

    Developers Neptune and Countryside Properties said the

    buildings would frame views of the city's Three Graces - the Port of Liverpool Building, Cunard Building and the Liver Building.

    Steve Parry,

    managing director of Neptune Developments, said: "We are delighted to be finally moving ahead with this scheme.

    'Positive support'

    "This is

    a not only one of the key development sites for Liverpool but one of the most important in the whole of the North West.

    "The overwhelmingly positive

    support we received is reflected in the decision of planning committee."

    The plans were backed by English Heritage, Liverpool Vision and the North

    West Development Agency.

    Plans for a Fourth Grace - Will Alsop's "The Cloud" - were dropped in 2004, after they were deemed "unworkable".

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    @Paul, already posted on page 2, snap!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    @Paul, already posted on page 2, snap!
    It just shows you I've got my finger on the pulse,erm

    eventually.

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    An exhibition of the planned multi-million pound re-development of Liverpool's waterfront has been put on show at the city's Maritime Museum.



    Visitors can experience a computer animated 'fly through' of the Mann Island changes, said developers Neptune and Countryside Properties.

    Building work is to start early in the new year.

    The exhibition is open until 21 December and visitors can leave their comments in a special book.

    'Under-used asset'

    Plans for the Mann Island site include a new 65m Museum of Liverpool, an extension to the Leeds Liverpool Canal, a 120m mixed-use development as well as improvements to areas for public use.

    The new waterfront scheme is expected to create over 800 new jobs, as well as increase the number of visitors, said the developers.

    "We're beginning to see a very positive change on the city's waterfront," said Jim Gill, Liverpool Vision's Chief Executive.

    "Although the Pier Head and Mann Island present the city's image to the rest of the world, the area is one of the city's most under-used assets.

    "The transformation of Mann Island is key to our ambitions of making the City Centre Waterfront a visitor destination of international significance," he added.

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    THE Merseyside Civic Society has urged local government minister Ruth Kelly to intervene in plans for a multi-million pound development close to Liverpool Pier Head. more
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    I love the new museum building but think the apartment bocks are so out of place and ordinary. The museum is diferent and an individual iconic design that once built will be appreciated more. The apartments are such a waste of the site. The only good thing about them is the use of contrasting materials in relation to the '3 graces'. People who ask for buildings using the same materials don't seem to get the fact that this would actually detract from the 4 buildings by blending them in with obviously boring new pastiche rubbish. Modern iconic buildings are required for sites like this to make both the new build and the old stand on their own merits.. The housing trust building on commutation row is a perfect example of a boring post modern/pastiche piece of boring building that is a waste of a prime city site. You do not get people in Berlin or Barcelon asking for pastiche buildings to fit in with surroundings and the cities are the better for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christy View Post
    I love the new museum building but think the apartment bocks are so out of place and ordinary. The museum is diferent and an individual iconic design that once built will be appreciated more. The apartments are such a waste of the site. The only good thing about them is the use of contrasting materials in relation to the '3 graces'. People who ask for buildings using the same materials don't seem to get the fact that this would actually detract from the 4 buildings by blending them in with obviously boring new pastiche rubbish. Modern iconic buildings are required for sites like this to make both the new build and the old stand on their own merits.. The housing trust building on commutation row is a perfect example of a boring post modern/pastiche piece of boring building that is a waste of a prime city site. You do not get people in Berlin or Barcelon asking for pastiche buildings to fit in with surroundings and the cities are the better for it.
    I posted below on another thread - relevant here. The museum can stay, but why not excavate the Dock and basin or even just one of them, as the canal runs through them anyway. Too easy is isn't it. The Pier Head is a dead space. A poor public space. The water will add value and history.

    Excavating Manchester Dock & Chester Basin?

    The Canal Link actually runs through the in-filled Chester Basin and Manchester Dock, north of the Canning Graving Docks. The basin and dock are still there underground complete with granite quays. Common sense would dictate fully excavating the basin and if possible the adjacent Manchester Dock too, which had a river lock. The location of the lock position is visible from the river wall at the Canning Dock. Archaeologists are to dig out much of the dock and basin. Leaving the water spaces uncovered and refilled with water would be the most appropriate action. These docks are over 220 years old. The canal could run right through Chester Basin giving berths for canal boats and adding to the charm of the Pier Head.

    Any sensible developer would want to reinstate these small historic water spaces, as they would add value to their projects and gain public acceptability.

    Below: Manchester Dock and Chester Basin are to the south west of the Dock Board Office at the Pier Head.


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    canals to view its modern museum describing
    how it once was?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Waterways View Post
    Excavating Manchester Dock & Chester Basin?
    I totally agree. Every day I get more fed-up with these 'designer apartment' blocks everywhere. We should make best use of the riverside areas and not hide/destroy unique and historic features.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snappel View Post
    I totally agree. Every day I get more fed-up with these 'designer apartment' blocks everywhere. We should make best use of the riverside areas and not hide/destroy unique and historic features.
    WaterWays, what have you done to us all? I've been reading up on the Old Dock now filled in beneath the Paradise Street developemnt area and am gutted what we have lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    WaterWays, what have you done to us all? I've been reading up on the Old Dock now filled in beneath the Paradise Street developemnt area and am gutted what we have lost.
    Parts of the Old Dock were dug up recently. The quays are still there. The quays were poor as they were made of local sandstone and brick. One reason for filling in was the poor state of the quays as they were around 100 years old at the time.

    Only a park was over it. It could have been dug out and re-instated and put to original condition complete with locks and bridge. Take away the Dock Rd and connect the Old Docks back onto the Dock network and what an environment. Too easy isn't it?
    Have a look. Interesting:
    http://www.oau-oxford.com/html_pages/maritime_trade.htm

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    I agree mate, would be ridiculous to build a museum of LIVERPOOL LIFE and ignore the history underneath or around it. If they are excavating the dock anyway, it surely makes sense to do as you say and use it as a feature and part of the new canal link which will only enhance the new building.
    As for the old dock on the site of the pool, I raed that part of it is being used as a water feature in the park and some of the excavated walls/queys will be left visable and form a display with interactive info etc explaining the history of the site,- pool-dock-customs house etc.

    The shanty 'blow the man down' comes from the are of the original dock doesn't it? 'As I was walking down Paradise street........' The warehouses behind Paradise street and around Lydia Anne street etc are all from this era I seem to remember. Hopefully Grosvenor have retsored the ones they said they would behind the old radio merseyside building, Shame they demolished what was one of the oldest houses in the area facing Gostins building next to the old Academy/Planet x. Still had the early Georgian box sash windows as well.
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    Looks to me like the asphalt has been scraped away to reveal the old quays.
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    I agree that the docks and quays where possible should be reinstated, there's enough land and brownfield sites crying out for apartment blocks and the like (eg. all that wasteland on Tithebarn st next to the Railway pub looks an eyesore)

    The black granite should be changed to white to fit in with the rest of the area as they just look like Steers house has been reshaped and shifted over there. I don't mind the quirky shapes actually, just that the height doesn't obscure the Port of Liverpool building.

    I can't wait for the new museum of Liverpool life and hope that they don't let us down with the floorspace and contents.

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    Why does everyone get so misty eyed over old docks?
    All they are are large holes surrounded by retaining walls to keep in water.
    I think too many people look back with rose tinted spectacles at the days of shipping - I worked on the docks for years and it was hard graft in a filthy environment for bog standard wages.
    They won't find any dinosaurs buried there or anything else of real interest - just the detritus of an dirty industry.

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    Maybe so but the docks are still a lasting reminder of Liverpool's heyday.

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    Maybe I should get Waterways off the ban list to explain about the docks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Maybe I should get Waterways off the ban list to explain about the docks.

    Yes!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kev View Post
    Maybe I should get Waterways off the ban list to explain about the docks.
    NO!

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    Waterways is very informative about dock matters, I think the best way to treat him is ignore him when he starts acting up, that is what I did, no replies to his nonsense. He was in a lot of ways an asset to this forum. I think he should be allowed back if he will quit calling people nasty names.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shytalk View Post
    Waterways is very informative about dock matters, I think the best way to treat him is ignore him when he starts acting up, that is what I did, no replies to his nonsense. He was in a lot of ways an asset to this forum. I think he should be allowed back if he will quit calling people nasty names.
    Mr Waterways can call me all the names under the sun and I think he should still be allowed back. He adds far more to this forum than he takes away, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shytalk View Post
    Waterways is very informative about dock matters, I think the best way to treat him is ignore him when he starts acting up, that is what I did, no replies to his nonsense. He was in a lot of ways an asset to this forum. I think he should be allowed back if he will quit calling people nasty names.
    But when some people think they're indispensable, they also think they're much better than us mere mortals, and they can be extremely cruel, which must make the poor victims just quietly leave the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    But when some people think they're indispensable, they also think they're much better than us mere mortals, and they can be extremely cruel, which must make the poor victims just quietly leave the forum.
    Some truth in that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhilipG View Post
    But when some people think they're indispensable, they also think they're much better than us mere mortals, and they can be extremely cruel, which must make the poor victims just quietly leave the forum.
    Fair enough.
    Missed the terrible side of him, saw bits of the 'bad' side though. Said it before, in fact I also said it to him, that it was a big shame how he couldn't just lighten up his act a bit. A shame because a lot of his contributions were excellent.

    He made me laugh on more than a couple of occaisions the cudmugeonly old sod.
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    This little ramp was installed in the last few days...I'm guessing to stop people from getting their feet wet at full tide (sometimes the gates at either end of the Riverside Walk are closed when the river gets dangerous).
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    Feet wet? Buaahahahahah.
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    Thumbs down 2001?

    Does the design not remind anyone of the film 2001?
    I had to check it wasn't April 1st when i saw pictures of this scheme.
    I can't think of a worse solution to building on this site. Blank, soulless, faceless slabs that only detract from the existing architecture.

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    I did notice the pier head was all blocked off, (walking pathways) as works are getting done! One of my fav places in liverpool and im so glad its all getting done up again!

    Great to see theose pictures people have been posting thanks!

    Come on Liverpool 2008!

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