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    PLANS for a dramatic development on Liverpool's Mann Island, close to the city's historic Three Graces, are revealed for the first time today.

    The futuristic £112m scheme by locally-based Neptune Developments and nationallyrenowned Countryside Properties has won provisional approval from one of the country's leading architectural watchdog bodies.

    It will bring office space, hundreds of luxury apartments, shops and a series of new public squares to the key waterfront site, with waterfront cafes and restaurants.

    CABE, the Commission for the Environment and the Built Environment, has given its blessing to the Pier Head scheme, designed to complement the proposed waterfront Museum of Liverpool development.

    Reaction to the Mann Island scheme will become clearer later this week when the plans are put on public display at an exhibition.

    The developers insist the proposals have been specially designed to preserve the famous views of the city's Three Graces, the Port of Liverpool Building, Cunard Building and the Royal Liver Building with simple, elegant buildings that blend into the skyline.

    International architects Broadway Malyan has designed three buildings, encompassing three new public spaces including a covered area.

    Their designs have already received the support of English Heritage, Liverpool Vision, the city council-backed urban design panel, and the council's Regeneration Select Committee. more

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    From the pic above and the BBC local news coverage tonight my initial impression is favourable - if the project gets delivered.

    However looking at Neptune Developments website I can't say I am that impressed with any of the schemes they have been involved with in Liverpool to date.

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    • Click here to take a virtual tour of the Mann Island proposals.

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    That is fantastic Howie, cheers
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    See Liverpool Echo readers views on the proposals for the development of Mann Island here.

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    First view of Mann Island project - for two days only
    Mar 3 2006
    By Alan Weston Daily Post Staff



    MEMBERS of the public will today be given their first chance to view and comment on the £118m plans for the development of Mann Island on the Liverpool waterfront.

    A two-day exhibition close to the proposed site will allow people to view a model of the proposed complex, which includes office space, luxury apartments, shops and a series of new public squares, along with waterfront cafés and restaurants.

    There is also a walk-through model which provides a virtual tour of the complex.

    The exhibition is part of a "pre-planning consultation" for the scheme, ahead of a formal planning application to be made to Liverpool City Council, probably next month.

    At a launch last night, civic leaders and others had a glimpse of the exhibition before it opens to the public, and gave the scheme a mostly favourable response.

    It will sit alongside the proposed new Museum of Liverpool - which awaits funding - on a site once destined for the abandoned Fourth Grace project.

    Cllr Peter Millea, Liverpool's executive member for regeneration and transport, said: "It's got a real 'wow' factor.. It provides a nice contrast and adds to the architecture around it.

    "The developers are doing the public a service by making the space available for leisure uses. It could be a once-in-a-lifetime chance and I think people will grow to love it."

    Jim Gill, chief executive of Liverpool Vision, said: "Change is always difficult but I think this development will create a wonderful place for Liverpool."

    But Wayne Colquhoun, chairman of Liverpool Preservation Trust, said the buildings were like "three trashy tarts next to the elegant Three Graces." He added: "I think it's atrocious and it's going to ruin the second-best view of Liverpool from The Strand.

    "We are fighting for the preservation of Liverpool's skyline. That's how serious it is."

    The scheme, by locally-based Neptune Developments and national firm Countryside Properties, is designed to complement the proposed waterfront Museum of Liverpool, and to preserve the famous views of the city's Three Graces.

    Manchester-based architects Broadway Malyan designed the three buildings, which encompasses three new public spaces including a covered area.

    The architect Matt Brook - who studied and is also a tutor at Liverpool John Moores University - was at pains to point out that the new complex was not designed as a "Fourth Grace" but as a standalone development in its own right.

    He said it was "understandable" that the public reaction to the complex so far had been largely hostile. "It takes a while for a new idea or contemporary design to grow on the public," said Mr Brook.

    "I'm as passionate as anybody else to do the right thing on this site. I feel that I know the city very well, which is the most important thing.

    "The key challenge is that it's not a background building. It's strong enough to command the environment and offer something new to the dock area.

    "We wanted to improve the connection from the city centre to the waterfront, and to create a sequence of public spaces that would draw people down from the city to the historic waterfront.

    "I don't think there's been another scheme that has had such support from bodies such as the Commission for the Built Environment and English Heritage."

    If planning approval is given, work on the site could start early next year.

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    There seems to be a good feeling around this development, fingers crossed
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    I went to the display today and it's a shame it remained open for only two days. I would have liked to have gone down at least once more.


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    You still have a chance, Dave.

    The futuristic £112 million proposed development on Liverpool’s Mann Island is to be showcased, from March 16, on the city’s stand at MIPIM, the international property fair held annually in Cannes.

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    MORE than 250 people turned up to look at the radical £112m plans to build offices and apartment blocks in the heart of Liverpool's World Heritage site. more
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    kev wrote: Any thoughts?


    Awful. Two of the buildings are way too dark and gloomy (remember Foster/Mulberry House?). Just wait until exhaust residue builds up on them and people start pi--ing in the corners; it will be like the 1980s all over again.

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    For those who didn't get to the display all the pictures I took have been added here - The Mann Island project

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    Thanks Dave - I've just had a look through 'em
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie
    From the pic above and the BBC local news coverage tonight my initial impression is favourable - if the project gets delivered.

    However looking at Neptune Developments website I can't say I am that impressed with any of the schemes they have been involved with in Liverpool to date.

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    Neptune Developments Limited

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    Nice pic on Countryside Properties PLC



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    Revealed: Liverpool's historic new waterfront



    THIS is the first picture of the stunning sight which could greet visitors to Liverpool's historic waterfront.

    Plans to build three black granite buildings at Mann Island met with a mixed reaction when the ECHO revealed them earlier this year.

    But developers hope the tweaked scheme will win public approval. And they are so confident about it they have now applied for official planning permission.

    The £120m scheme could win approval in a matter of weeks, allowing work to start.

    If approved, the flats and offices would flank the planned X-shaped Museum of Liverpool Life, next to the Three Graces.

    More than 900 jobs would be created at the complex, with 1.25m visitors a year expected.

    Some ECHO readers praised the eye-catching design, others said Mann Island should stay untouched following the embarrassing failure of Will Alsop's The Cloud.

    But the scheme has now been redesigned by architects.

    Changes include moving two of the new blocks three metres east to reveal more of the Cunard, Port of Liverpool and Liver buildings.

    More trees will be planted, the public given access to a roof terrace with views over Canning Dock and the Pier Head canal basin blended in with the surrounding area.

    Heritage experts have already backed the project, drawn up by Neptune Developments and Countryside Properties.

    If the scheme goes ahead, two triangular apartment blocks with almost 380 flats will be built in an L-shape, forming a sheltered enclosure away from the windswept Pier Head.

    The third building will contain offices, exhibition space and a cafe.

    Shops, bars and restaurants will open up on the ground floor of all three structures. source...

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    That actually looks good on the island.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Max
    That actually looks good on the island.
    It does Max, the Porshe garage etc have vacated their premisses and have been empty for some time now. It would be great to see construction going on incl. the new museum!
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    In my view I don't think it's anything special in that picture but I think it will work in the flesh,the retail and cafes etc are essential in bringing the area back to life and it has the support of EH so it should fly through the planning stages unhindered,I think it will complement our new museum and breathe much neede life to this sometimes desolate area,I also love the idea of a public roof terrace,we could do with that now in this heatwave couldn't we? let's hope they can be on site by the end of the year.

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    It looks nice as a building but that totally ruins the lovely photo ops you get there of the Liverbuildings. When the water is still you get a fantastic reflection which will now be blocked by this new building. I better double check I have the photos I want before they do this





    Thats going to be ruined imho.

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    Lovely pics Pete, shame to loose that view.
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    I love modern architecture and I also love classical architecture, but these buildings are TOTALLY out of place!

    It would be nice to have them somewhere else but Mann island is not the right place because that beautiful view will be totally ruined and I can guarantee give it 30 or 40 years and these will be torn down.

    I am the first to criticise the council when new schemes have been blocked but this MUST be stopped as it is an act of outright vandalism.

    It looks like the Royal Hospital they are ugly.

    Don't get me wrong a lot of Modernist architecture is nice, in my view a low rise modern building should be built on that site like the silvery glass building in Newcastle by the Tyne Bridge, perhaps housing a botanical Winter garden?

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    I kinda like the colour of buildings to blend with their surrroundings like the way the apartments in Commutation Row blend in with St Georges Hall, the museum and art gallery, and the old T&G building etc. so I am really not sure about the black granite - it is going to be such a contrast to the surroundings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie
    I kinda like the colour of buildings to blend with their surrroundings like the way the apartments in Commutation Row blend in with St Georges Hall, the museum and art gallery, and the old T&G building etc. so I am really not sure about the black granite - it is going to be such a contrast to the surroundings.
    It's going to be a contrast alright, perhaps it might look like Tower Hill on the Mersey.

    As for Commutation row it's certainly an improvement on the dereliction that was there but it doesn't hold a candle to William Brown Street or St George's Hall and is typicl of the cheapo tat that has gone up in parts of the city centre in the last 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urban
    It's going to be a contrast alright, perhaps it might look like Tower Hill on the Mersey.

    As for Commutation row it's certainly an improvement on the dereliction that was there but it doesn't hold a candle to William Brown Street or St George's Hall and is typicl of the cheapo tat that has gone up in parts of the city centre in the last 10 years.
    Yes, I agree. I was just using it as an example regarding the colour of the building material.

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    Pier Head poised
    Oct 3 2006
    by Nick Coligan, Liverpool Echo



    CONTROVERSIAL plans for three black granite buildings on the site of the doomed Fourth Grace look set to go ahead.

    Councillors are expected to approve the £120m scheme for Liverpool’s Mann Island at a meeting next week.

    The meeting follows more than a year of debate about whether the site should be developed at all.

    If approved, the three buildings of flats, offices, shops, bars and restaurants would flank the planned X-shaped New Museum of Liverpool on the city’s waterfront.

    But some residents and heritage campaigners are still hoping the scheme, expected to create more than 900 jobs and entice 1.25 million visitors a year, will be turned down.

    A council report says: “The development was never intended to mimic or be part of the Three Graces and, to emphasise this fact, the proposed building style and materials are a deliberate contrast.

    “The scheme will bring very tangible regeneration benefits to the waterfront and the city as a whole.

    “It will help repopulate the riverfront and will introduce increased animation and vibrancy in the form of leisure and cultural activities available for much of the day and evening.

    “At present, the area is much underused and at times can feel desolate and isolated.

    “The injection of people and appropriate activities will increase its attractiveness as a destination in its own right.”

    The scheme, drawn up by developers Neptune and Countryside Properties, has the support of architecture experts at English Heritage and the Commission for Architecture and the Built Environment.

    Some local groups – including the Victorian Society, Ancient Monuments Society, Liverpool Preservation Trust and Albert Dock residents association – are opposing the plan.

    They claim it will cause “serious harm” to the waterfront’s architectural heritage and dominate the skyline.

    But Neptune and Countryside Properties say the majority of reaction to their scheme was positive and that they have slightly redesigned it to address some concerns.

    If the scheme goes ahead, two triangular apartment blocks with almost 380 flats will be built in an L-shape, forming a sheltered enclosure away from the windswept Pier Head.

    The third building will contain offices, exhibition space and a cafe. Shops, bars and restaurants will open up on all three ground floors.

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    So their knocking down the Mercedes car show room for this but not that old thing that has the kiosk?
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    I talked to a guy who works at the Museum of Liverpool Life. He said that the modern extension to the museum is going, the long shed/warehouse at the end of the Canning basin is going, the graving docks and GWR shed will obviously be kept. I'm assuming the old square brick building will stay - or maybe it won't? What is it anyway?

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    Controversy as building plans set to go ahead
    Oct 4 2006
    By Sam Lister Daily Post Staff

    CONTENTIOUS plans to build three futuristic apartment and office blocks on the city's world heritage site are set to go ahead despite a raft of objections.

    Developers want to build two residential buildings with almost 400 flats and one commercial office building at Mann Island, to sit alongside the controversial X-museum.

    But heritage campaigners, residents and the Royal Liver Assurance have all objected to the scheme.

    And Icomos UK, which advises the organisation in charge of awarding world heritage status, sent planners a d*mning letter stating the buildings' "design and form are in almost violent contrast with the Pier Head buildings".

    Planners have recommended councillors grant the ambitious £112m scheme permission when they meet next week.

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    A FUTURISTIC scheme proposed for land near the Three Graces was deferred by Liverpool council this morning because world heritage officials want to look at the plans during an emergency visit to the city next week.

    Campaigners have objected to Unesco’s World Heritage Committee about the application to build three apartment and office blocks, as well as plans for the controversial X-museum building which would sit alongside them.

    European officials have now brought forward their visit to assess the impact of both schemes.

    If they object, the city would either have to ditch the plans or face losing its world heritage status.

    The Mann Island application will now go before the planning committee on October 24.
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