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    Your in the right area A J K, But I think it was slightly further down, just past the houses fronting Edge Lane. There was a small sweet factory next door if my memory serves me right.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ayjaykay View Post
    I don't have an old photo unfortunately. The house was where the newish flats and houses are on the photo below. Elms House Road runs behind it.

    Great guys, that fits exactly with the map. So you reckon it was standing until the 1990s? There will probably be a photo of it somewhere, excellent work guys!

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    I vaguely remember a notice on this building relating ,somehow, to youth employment, possibly it was used as a job centre, before it's closure/demolition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samp View Post
    Your in the right area A J K, But I think it was slightly further down, just past the houses fronting Edge Lane. There was a small sweet factory next door if my memory serves me right.
    I'm pretty sure it was where I marked on the map. I remember it being there until about 1996 and then it was demolished and the new houses/flats were built.

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    Would it be Taverners sweet factory you are thinking of ?

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    Elms House was directly opposite the Prince William Pottery/Rathbone Park and before demolition was used for youth services or something like that. Taveners was opposite Botanic Park/Littlewoods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMLE View Post
    Elms House was directly opposite the Prince William Pottery/Rathbone Park
    Yes, it was. Those trees you can see at the very bottom of the photo I posted are in Rathbone Park.
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    I take it you mean Rathbone park then. What was there before the KFC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I take it you mean Rathbone park then. What was there before the KFC?
    Oops - yes, I meant Rathhbone park.

    Elm's House was definitely where those new houses/flats are. The architect who designed them has a website at http://www.johnmccall.co.uk/showcase/projectelmsho.html which says:

    "This is a small housing scheme on a prominent infill site on Edge Lane in Liverpool. Elms House was the building that preceded the scheme on the site".

    According to Wikipedia, Elm's House was no. 561 Edge Lane and was given listed building status in 1988.

    The House was used as the 'Juvenile Employment Bureau' in 1947 according to http://www.archive.org/stream/educat...41mbp_djvu.txt

    And permission was given for it to be demolished in 1999 according to http://home.btconnect.com/ancientmon...ISTdem1999.doc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I take it you mean Rathbone park then. What was there before the KFC?
    I have a map from 1968 and on the site of KFC are just warehouses.
    I have tried to upload the pic but it's too big !
    and when I put it on imageshack it loses it's detail !

    I have been thinking for a while of doing a webpage(s) on Old Swan in particular, as I was born there and have lived here al my life.
    Would anyone be offended if I used some of the info and pics from here, I will credit the source where possible.

    It may be a while before I release it but it's something I've always wanted to do. Mart

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    You can certainly use anything i've put on here Mart (though the copyright credit for the old stuff will be the LRO) I know they allow use of their stuff for none profit making websites as long as the credit is given and if you need any further help just yell.
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    Thanks Ged. I don't intend to sell to Google, Microsoft at any price, even if they did offer me ?1.99 maximum

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    Quote Originally Posted by ayjaykay View Post
    I'm pretty sure it was where I marked on the map. I remember it being there until about 1996 and then it was demolished and the new houses/flats were built.
    You are quite right, I was confused with the new houses built around it. I just remember passing it to and from work and remember it at the top end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    Would it be Taverners sweet factory you are thinking of ?
    Not Taverners, Lindylou. I think it was Williams' toffee, it was only a small place and may have been used for something else, although the old sign was still up. It was next door to John Peck and Company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ged View Post
    I take it you mean Rathbone park then. What was there before the KFC?
    According to a 1968 map attached .. a warehouse
    Elms House circled in red on map.

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    QUOTE=Samp;164161]Not Taverners, Lindylou. I think it was Williams' toffee, it was only a small place and may have been used for something else, although the old sign was still up. It was next door to John Peck and Company.[/QUOTE]

    this is the one I was thinking of :
    http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/...4375-17559192/

    it wasn't a very big place. Was there another sweet factory too ? I remember Williams toffee

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    Quote Originally Posted by hmtmaj View Post

    I have been thinking for a while of doing a webpage(s) on Old Swan in particular, as I was born there and have lived here al my life.
    Would anyone be offended if I used some of the info and pics from here, I will credit the source where possible.

    It may be a while before I release it but it's something I've always wanted to do. Mart
    Go for it Martin I would like to see that one online as im a fellow Old Swanie.

    I have a book written in 1913 that covers Old Swan history, some goos stuff in it. Its called " West Derby, Old Swan and Wavertree " written by James Hoult. You may have it already? if not I could pop it round to you.

    I have a few pics of Old Swan on my site, you are welcome to use any if they are any good to you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hmtmaj View Post
    According to a 1968 map attached .. a warehouse
    Mart

    Well I never knew you were dyslexic Mart. That says W-horehouse.
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    The premises of J.H. Robinson & Co. (Liverpool) Ltd in Mill Lane in the 1950s. Joseph Robinson founded his stove enamelling company in Grafton Street in 1869 but as the business expanded a brass foundry was added which produced various components for the gas industry. As the business developed it moved to larger premises on North Hill Street in the 1880s but following the outbreak of WWI in 1914 the firm switched to production to munitions and even larger premises were acquired in Mill Lane, Old Swan and the outbreak of WWII and the firms capacity to turn out anything connected to the gas and communications industry saw it devote all its capacity to the war effort.

    Willey's was established in Exeter in 1861 by HF Willey, becoming a public limited Company within 4 years, the founder becoming a prominent citizen, Alderman of Exeter, later Sheriff of the city and then Mayor in 1893. Following his death just one year later his son, Henry took over and led the business into an era of expansion. Willey's produced the first 'coin in the slot gas meter' in the early 1900s and again during the war, they too played their part to the full producing a tremendous range of war material including depth charge firing pistols for the admiralty.

    Robinson's and Willey's were destined to eventually become associated when in 1929 their parent company, United gas Industries Ltd came into being, the two firms merging to form Robinson Willey, but only in 1962.

    In 1976, they made my parents a little happier when doing away with our coal fire in the tennies and fitting one of their new range gas fires having won the Corpy contract for all their tenement stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spike View Post
    Go for it Martin I would like to see that one online as im a fellow Old Swanie.

    I have a book written in 1913 that covers Old Swan history, some goos stuff in it. Its called " West Derby, Old Swan and Wavertree " written by James Hoult. You may have it already? if not I could pop it round to you.

    I have a few pics of Old Swan on my site, you are welcome to use any if they are any good to you.


    http://spikesaycheese.piczo.com/olds...linkvar=000044

    Good luck with this project, If i can help give us a shout

    Cheers Tony, I have that one and a few others, which I am going to reference

    And to Ged

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    Quote Originally Posted by lindylou View Post
    QUOTE=Samp;164161]Not Taverners, Lindylou. I think it was Williams' toffee, it was only a small place and may have been used for something else, although the old sign was still up. It was next door to John Peck and Company.
    this is the one I was thinking of :
    http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/...4375-17559192/

    it wasn't a very big place. Was there another sweet factory too ? I remember Williams toffee [/QUOTE]

    Hello Lindylou.

    The place I am refering too was only small and was on the site of the K F C at the top of Edge Lane, it definitly had the name William's toffee on the front but I dont know if it was still opererating as such.

    I am going back to the late 70's now.
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    ahh, I know the spot where you mean - KFC is up by where MFI used to be.
    I don't remember the sweet factory though.

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    One for Mart.

    As promised. Taken to record the conversion of a house to a shop on the corner of Fitzgerald Road and Ravenswood Road. 24.4.1935.








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    That shop was less than 50 yards from where Martin used to live in Fitzgerald and is still there now although it's hasn't been used as a shop for years. I think Hassan who had the shop still lives there.

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    Fitzgerald Road is a couple of roads away from where I live. I remember the shop being opened, I think it shut about 10 years ago. However, I passed there a couple of weeks ago and I thought it had opened up again. Perhaps there was just some work going on.

    Thanks for that picture Ged - great.

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    You don't live in Pemberton do you? My sister and brother-in-law lived there up until 6 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burkhilly View Post
    Fitzgerald Road is a couple of roads away from where I live. I remember the shop being opened, I think it shut about 10 years ago. However, I passed there a couple of weeks ago and I thought it had opened up again. Perhaps there was just some work going on.

    Thanks for that picture Ged - great.
    Burkhilly, I was born and brought up in Fitzgerald Rd, that shop, believe or not was my local !
    When I was a youngster, many moons ago, my mum ( god rest her soul ) used to send me down with a list and I never remebered paying
    That's because my Dad used to get paid on a Thursday and my mum would pay the "slate" off then.
    Another tale:
    The people who used to afford us that luxury " Marje and George Strain" looked after the locals and let them have credit, as it was in the "olden days" ( 1970's). A Couple of years ago, who should move in next door to me but Marje and George Strain. Lovely people who "looked" after the local communty. So, with your permission, I'll print the pic and pass it on to them, Thaks Ged, Still looking after us, Mart.

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    Burkilly, your son, hopefully will be getting a call to arrange an interview in the next day or two ( mon or tues ).
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    Great pic Ged.

    My wife remembers buying sweets from that shop
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    The Phot Of the shop has captured a woman do'ing her step and path on her knees.wonder how many do that now.

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    Burkilly, your son, hopefully will be getting a call to arrange an interview in the next day or two ( mon or tues ).
    Martin[/QUOTE]


    Thanks Martin - that's great.

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